EPTThoughts on auto-matchmaking - Page 2
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il0seonpurpose
Korea (South)5638 Posts
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On May 21 2007 18:23 il0seonpurpose wrote: this is inrevalent but everybody i played from PGT was a d! Yes, PGT ranks are pretty irrelevant. | ||
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SoleSteeler
Canada5427 Posts
On May 21 2007 17:07 FrozenArbiter wrote: Also destroys the ability to use the ladder as a practice tool for a specific matchup or picking matchups (ie PvZ ZvT TvP) You can still easily do that in custom games. Random maps and random opponents based on similar skill level is a really good way of showing the true skill in a ladder system. The system in War3 works really great! I am sure they will improve it even further. I think you'd be happy if they added a "Custom Melee" record as well as ladder record, like in BW.  | ||
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red.venom
United States4651 Posts
On May 21 2007 15:58 Manifesto7 wrote: About stats, me too  2v2 stats would be a nice dream as well, along with race stats and activity charts.Its safe to say those will be there, since they are in WC3(For ladder play). I personally love the WC3 match making, its one of the reasons to play that game. The problem with the SC system is that its slow and requires you to maintain standing in an online social circle to really get good games. Stop playing for 3 months and everyone will have migrated to new channels and new places. the SC system is awful, and this is once again something where people are so used to it that they dont understand why its so horribly flawed. You guys realize good and bad players alike can make custom games in WC3, even to play 1:1.. Its like some of you are just talking out of your ass and have never played it. Custom = Freeplay. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
 Let me give you an example of why I'd like to have a choice of opponent as an alternative to the auto-match thing: Once in PGTour I played this korean guy something like 11 times straight (4 hours in a row just playing PvP wee), anyway, he was really close to moving up a rank but everytime he got within 100 points of there I beat him (he won at a 2:1 ratio I think, or almost that much anyway) and after like hours he goes.. "You bad T_T!!!!!" (as in mean) when I beat him again just as he needs just 100 more points :D SEE, I'd have missed out on this totally awesome moment! (in the end he did make the rank btw, were fun and mannered games) | ||
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
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red.venom
United States4651 Posts
On May 21 2007 17:07 FrozenArbiter wrote: Also destroys the ability to use the ladder as a practice tool for a specific matchup or picking matchups (ie PvZ ZvT TvP) Well if it destroys playing against annoying, inflexible people who only want a specific match and match up then I am all for it. ; ] because that was the worst thing about PGT and unfortunately at B and below it encompassed a majority of the games. | ||
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red.venom
United States4651 Posts
On May 21 2007 18:34 FrozenArbiter wrote: Freeplay without stats? YUCK Well stats could be nice I guess. If only because I like to keep track of how many games I have played so that I can calculate how much life I have wasted playing: ] | ||
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CowGoMoo
United States428 Posts
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Krohm
Canada1857 Posts
AMM, was handy. However you should also have the ability to just ladder 1:1 who ever you want (Challenge). I don't always enjoy playing 'randos'. Also Koreans WILL be playing SC, most of the time I refuse to play Koreans since they just simply own my ass. If I use AMM depending on the time of day, I'll probably have to face off against a Korean. As for the interface, I hated WC3's. Especially since I had a slower computer at the time, and to alt+tab out of wc3 took serious time. The music always played even when it was minimized. It was annoying. I doubt Blizzard will keep the interface simple though. Then again AMM, would keep ladder ranks more legit and not cheated... | ||
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red.venom
United States4651 Posts
Cant have it all folks: ] | ||
Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
also, with AMM system eventually you get to the point where you often know the person you played w/, either playing the person before or talking/seeing him in channels, or seeing him play. Also it makes it much more exciting when this happens randomly, seeing him in the player list as the map loads was cool. Plus if you ever get to the top of the ladder you will play the same people again and again often times anyway, me and my friend used to tell each other to search at the same time and often it would match us together, which was pretty exciting (because it matches based on skill and there weren't many others online at our level at the time) I know everyone wants a choice for both this and that and everything else (such as a choice for workers auto-rallying to minerals, a choice for selecting multiple buildings, etc) but they cannot put in these kinds of choices into the game, they never have done things like this and they won't start now. Having multiple B.net 1v1 ladders is not something they're likely to do, IMO having just 1 big ladder should be the best and frankly I don't want the AMM ladder mixed in with the custom game ladder, custom game has abuse potential and just advantage to those players overall (playing only certain matchups/maps for ex) | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On May 21 2007 18:36 red.venom wrote: Well if it destroys playing against annoying, inflexible people who only want a specific match and match up then I am all for it. ; ] because that was the worst thing about PGT and unfortunately at B and below it encompassed a majority of the games. Hey I used to be PvZ PvT TvP cause I loved TvP =] I'd play any matchup tho, but would an option to ask for a specific race be super bad you think? Like.. "Preferred race of opponent: T, P Z" | ||
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mahnini
United States6862 Posts
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red.venom
United States4651 Posts
On May 21 2007 18:57 FrozenArbiter wrote: Hey I used to be PvZ PvT TvP cause I loved TvP =] I'd play any matchup tho, but would an option to ask for a specific race be super bad you think? Like.. "Preferred race of opponent: T, P Z" I dont think that would be bad at all, it was an oversight in the WC3 system for sure. But if it worked like the map selection in WC3, you would get your preferred match up 1 in 20 games: ] | ||
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rpf
United States2705 Posts
First of all, it inspires people to sit around waiting for the perfect "victim." For example, when I was on PGT sometimes, I'd get whispers from players who had no fucking business messaging a "D" player looking for a game. They saw me as an easy win, and specifically targeted me because of that. Is that really fair? I don't think so. Of course, it's up to me to accept or deny the challenge, so I can't complain if I accept the game. But, being pestered by better players who want easy points to get a higher rank, I think, is unfair. Second, this results in some higher-ranked players only having such a rank because they did nothing but pick their targets carefully all season. I'm not trying to imply that all high-ranked players used "underhanded" tactics to obtain their respectable ranks, but rather that a few "bad apples" can spoil the fun of ladder games. I think an auto match feature would be great. It'd prevent jackasses from specifically preying on low level players to gain points. | ||
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SoleSteeler
Canada5427 Posts
On May 21 2007 18:34 FrozenArbiter wrote: Let me give you an example of why I'd like to have a choice of opponent as an alternative to the auto-match thing: Once in PGTour I played this korean guy something like 11 times straight (4 hours in a row just playing PvP wee), anyway, he was really close to moving up a rank but everytime he got within 100 points of there I beat him (he won at a 2:1 ratio I think, or almost that much anyway) and after like hours he goes.. "You bad T_T!!!!!" (as in mean) when I beat him again just as he needs just 100 more points :D SEE, I'd have missed out on this totally awesome moment! (in the end he did make the rank btw, were fun and mannered games) Let me tell you about this one time I was playing War3. I was in a channel with my friend, and we decided to play separate ladder games... We were RL friends and we said whoever won would get $20 from the other person. If you both won you kept going until someone lost. We both went 3-0 then played...each other! I lost! Fuck...  Good story though! I would have missed out on this totally awesome moment without the AMM edit: wasn't trying to be sarcastic or anything towards you FA, basically I am saying that great stories can happen anywhere... humanity is infinite! or something | ||
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Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
On May 21 2007 19:13 rpf wrote: There are some pretty big problems with not having an auto match feature for a ladder. First of all, it inspires people to sit around waiting for the perfect "victim." For example, when I was on PGT sometimes, I'd get whispers from players who had no fucking business messaging a "D" player looking for a game. They saw me as an easy win, and specifically targeted me because of that. Is that really fair? I don't think so. Of course, it's up to me to accept or deny the challenge, so I can't complain if I accept the game. But, being pestered by better players who want easy points to get a higher rank, I think, is unfair. Second, this results in some higher-ranked players only having such a rank because they did nothing but pick their targets carefully all season. I'm not trying to imply that all high-ranked players used "underhanded" tactics to obtain their respectable ranks, but rather that a few "bad apples" can spoil the fun of ladder games. I think an auto match feature would be great. It'd prevent jackasses from specifically preying on low level players to gain points. exactly. combine what you said and what i said in my posts a few posts above yours and we have a solid argument I'd say for why AMM is good and a 'choice of ladder' style could be bad. guys, custom games is more than enough, you dont need the score to be recorded on the ladder also. plus custom games are better because it allows for observers | ||
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Phyre
United States1288 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On May 21 2007 19:14 SoleSteeler wrote: Let me tell you about this one time I was playing War3. I was in a channel with my friend, and we decided to play separate ladder games... We were RL friends and we said whoever won would get $20 from the other person. If you both won you kept going until someone lost. We both went 3-0 then played...each other! I lost! Fuck... Good story though! I would have missed out on this totally awesome moment without the AMM edit: wasn't trying to be sarcastic or anything towards you FA, basically I am saying that great stories can happen anywhere... humanity is infinite! or somethingHaha yeah I know, my story wasn't really a serious argument anyway | ||
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