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On May 17 2018 22:26 MockHamill wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2018 22:06 bObA wrote:
I do think only 10 life points more for vikings is not enough to compensate Ravens nerf.
Yeah they still can not handle Carriers except if the Carrier count is really low and have no splash damage units supporting them. But maybe it is better to nerf the Carriers directly since they are too strong in all matchups. The only problem with that is that if you nerf Protoss air too much, then Protoss won't be able to win late game PvZ ever, which would give Zerg the incentive to turtle to some combination of infestor/broodlord/corruptor/queen/viper (and maybe even swarm hosts?) with mass static defence since they'd be guaranteed to win if they reach that stage. For the health of the game, we don't want PvZ to return to that kind of game.
I do agree Carriers feel too strong, but nerfing them would require buffing something else to make up for it, and that could cause a lot of issues. What could even be buffed to make up for it? Most buffs I can think of would break PvT.
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On May 17 2018 23:19 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2018 21:25 JackONeill wrote:
Arguing that Blizzard did not trade strategical depth for mechanical prowess, "wow" moments and abilities interactions is delusional. The entire "editorial line" of DK for HOTS and LOTV was "more intensity, more APM, more abilities micro, more multitask, less strategy, macro and planning". Pls add the quote where DK said he wants less strategy, macro and planning.
- Pls add the quote where a logging company says that despite the environnemental issues, cutting down the rainforest makes more of a profit
- Pls add the quote where blizzard states that overwatch is over priced compared to other multiplayer games with similar content because they know they can get people to pay for the blizz brand
- Pls add the quote where your local drug dealer stated he sells new customers high quality drugs to get them hooked, then sells them one third laundry powder, one third flour and one third cocaine to make more money
Sure the PR guy is going to state "we're dumbing down the game and making it more impressive to watch to attract more people while necessarily reducing the strategical depth of the game" in a quote.
Thanks for the laugh.
Go find yourself every SC2 patch notes where the speed of a unit has been increased, that the pace of the game got faster and that more fast reaction, harass or multitask friendly units were implemented.
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On May 18 2018 02:12 JackONeill wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2018 23:19 Charoisaur wrote:On May 17 2018 21:25 JackONeill wrote:
Arguing that Blizzard did not trade strategical depth for mechanical prowess, "wow" moments and abilities interactions is delusional. The entire "editorial line" of DK for HOTS and LOTV was "more intensity, more APM, more abilities micro, more multitask, less strategy, macro and planning". Pls add the quote where DK said he wants less strategy, macro and planning. - Pls add the quote where a logging company says that despite the environnemental issues, cutting down the rainforest makes more of a profit - Pls add the quote where blizzard states that overwatch is over priced compared to other multiplayer games with similar content because they know they can get people to pay for the blizz brand - Pls add the quote where your local drug dealer stated he sells new customers high quality drugs to get them hooked, then sells them one third laundry powder, one third flour and one third cocaine to make more money Sure the PR guy is going to state "we're dumbing down the game and making it more impressive to watch to attract more people while necessarily reducing the strategical depth of the game" in a quote. Thanks for the laugh. Go find yourself every SC2 patch notes where the speed of a unit has been increased, that the pace of the game got faster and that more fast reaction, harass or multitask friendly units were implemented.
Point is I don't see what making the game more micro/multitasking intensive has to do with reducing strategical depth.
It has nothing to do with it and I don't think strategical depth got reduced at all.
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Blizzard logic:
'Terran has no lategame vs toss, and is forced to all-in every game. Meanwhile, they have good lategame vs Zerg with Ravens, how do we solve this?'
'Let's delete the Raven from the lategame, compensate with a miniscule buff to a useless unit and buff terran's midgame all-ins.'
David Kim would be proud.
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Maru wins GSL, Blizzard calls it fake news and now Terran took as many qualifying spots for WCS Austin as Zerg and Protoss combined. I'd say Blizzard logic trumps.
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On May 18 2018 04:05 JWD[9] wrote:
Maru wins GSL, Blizzard calls it fake news and now Terran took as many qualifying spots for WCS Austin as Zerg and Protoss combined. I'd say Blizzard logic trumps.
You're seriously gonna use race distribution in wcs circuit as an kind of balance indicator? Lets see if you keep on that when only one terran makes top 8 there.
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On May 18 2018 04:05 JWD[9] wrote:
Maru wins GSL, Blizzard calls it fake news and now Terran took as many qualifying spots for WCS Austin as Zerg and Protoss combined. I'd say Blizzard logic trumps.
Wait since when do we take foreign tournaments in consideration when talking about balance?
I mean I don't mind it but the Zerg nerfs that would follow would be quite massive 
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On May 18 2018 05:15 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2018 04:05 JWD[9] wrote:
Maru wins GSL, Blizzard calls it fake news and now Terran took as many qualifying spots for WCS Austin as Zerg and Protoss combined. I'd say Blizzard logic trumps. Wait since when do we take foreign tournaments in consideration when talking about balance? I mean I don't mind it but the Zerg nerfs that would follow would be quite massive
That would nuke the entire European SC2 pro scene!
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On May 18 2018 05:15 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2018 04:05 JWD[9] wrote:
Maru wins GSL, Blizzard calls it fake news and now Terran took as many qualifying spots for WCS Austin as Zerg and Protoss combined. I'd say Blizzard logic trumps. Wait since when do we take foreign tournaments in consideration when talking about balance? I mean I don't mind it but the Zerg nerfs that would follow would be quite massive
It's a good thing we have korea and sc2 isn't balanced around the EU scene.
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On May 18 2018 07:51 Creager wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2018 05:15 Charoisaur wrote:On May 18 2018 04:05 JWD[9] wrote:
Maru wins GSL, Blizzard calls it fake news and now Terran took as many qualifying spots for WCS Austin as Zerg and Protoss combined. I'd say Blizzard logic trumps. Wait since when do we take foreign tournaments in consideration when talking about balance? I mean I don't mind it but the Zerg nerfs that would follow would be quite massive That would nuke the entire European SC2 pro scene!
And that's a bad thing? The race distribution of the non-Korean scene was argument #2 for why the split WCS Circuit was a dumb decision. Why on earth would you save a broken scene?
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Korea (South)227 Posts
Again, we're in the circle-jerk of balance is either stupid, needs to be fixed, and blizzard has no idea how to make the game truly balanced and forever fair. I've only played around 10 games post patch, and to be totally honest? Apart from the odd few games where I went late game and realized MMM can't beat colossi+storm or Ultra-Viper, I felt no immediate difference to the overall state of the game apart from that marauders seem to smash buildings quicker than before (as well has armored units).
I will have to say that I don't think any of these changes have really broken or destroyed the game. I will always say this, but this idea of micro-macro being either more or less important isn't really the biggest issue when playing. Knowing your win condition and how you position yourself to get there is the most important factor to win. I get exasperated when people post that this unit is broken, this strat is broken etc. Only in professional matches does it seem even close to broken; in normal ladder I've never been beaten by a strategy or a unit I thought was "broken". If it looked like that, it was more me letting them reach the late game undeterred than the units themselves being broken.
Like, we complain about ultras hitting around 8:30 to 9 but immediately forget we must have done something wrong letting them hit a healthy amount of ultras ad 8:30 at all. If the other player rushed to ultras, he either has one or two, which you can deal with with just about anything or you let him macro scot free, which you can never let a zerg player do, let alone any player in sc2.
Please lets drop the pitchforks and lets play, and if we hit a wall lets try to say that its because we must have done something wrong and something needs to be improved APART from balance.
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On May 18 2018 08:44 Boggyb wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2018 07:51 Creager wrote:On May 18 2018 05:15 Charoisaur wrote:On May 18 2018 04:05 JWD[9] wrote:
Maru wins GSL, Blizzard calls it fake news and now Terran took as many qualifying spots for WCS Austin as Zerg and Protoss combined. I'd say Blizzard logic trumps. Wait since when do we take foreign tournaments in consideration when talking about balance? I mean I don't mind it but the Zerg nerfs that would follow would be quite massive That would nuke the entire European SC2 pro scene! And that's a bad thing? The race distribution of the non-Korean scene was argument #2 for why the split WCS Circuit was a dumb decision. Why on earth would you save a broken scene?
Well, first, this was a tongue in cheek comment and second, if taken seriously this would only deteriorate the playerbase further with little to no benefit. It‘s not like EU Terrans would suddenly appear out of nowhere to deliver amazing quality games.
Gotta work with what you got, I guess.
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On May 18 2018 09:21 Orlok wrote:
Again, we're in the circle-jerk of balance is either stupid, needs to be fixed, and blizzard has no idea how to make the game truly balanced and forever fair. I've only played around 10 games post patch, and to be totally honest? Apart from the odd few games where I went late game and realized MMM can't beat colossi+storm or Ultra-Viper, I felt no immediate difference to the overall state of the game apart from that marauders seem to smash buildings quicker than before (as well has armored units).
I will have to say that I don't think any of these changes have really broken or destroyed the game. I will always say this, but this idea of micro-macro being either more or less important isn't really the biggest issue when playing. Knowing your win condition and how you position yourself to get there is the most important factor to win. I get exasperated when people post that this unit is broken, this strat is broken etc. Only in professional matches does it seem even close to broken; in normal ladder I've never been beaten by a strategy or a unit I thought was "broken". If it looked like that, it was more me letting them reach the late game undeterred than the units themselves being broken.
Like, we complain about ultras hitting around 8:30 to 9 but immediately forget we must have done something wrong letting them hit a healthy amount of ultras ad 8:30 at all. If the other player rushed to ultras, he either has one or two, which you can deal with with just about anything or you let him macro scot free, which you can never let a zerg player do, let alone any player in sc2.
Please lets drop the pitchforks and lets play, and if we hit a wall lets try to say that its because we must have done something wrong and something needs to be improved APART from balance.
It's actually quite funny, on my level of Zerg any Terran who's going bio is semi-passive(they will do a drop or two and if I defend these they move to the passive state) or passive. So I just go fast bane speed, massive creep spread and ultra rush. And then they blame the balance. While active bio Terrans can kill me. Sure, this isn't the true aspect of top games, but let's face it, balance whine comes from lower leagues too 
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Why were corresponding energy/lategame units from the other races not nerfed along side ravens? They straight up nerfed Terran late game essentially by 50% effectiveness considering Terran's lategame entirely was equal to making ravens.
I don't have any issue with raven nerfs - i have issue with Blizzard being mega anti-Terran biased and flat out nerfing Terran while not touching the other two races.
This patch is most likely the nail in the coffin for SC2 competitive. There'll eventually be quite a bit less Terrans playing the game, and then most games will be PvP/ZvZ/PvZ which will end up upsetting even P/Z players in the end.
But sure, if people want to listen to casters that are clueless about the game and in their bubble in korea thinking that Terran is fine because of a closed off GSL Tourney with it's own eco system...then i don't know what to say.
Game balance for 99% of players is not the GSL tournament, where players are in their own little bubble metagaming each other and Terran manages to pull out games because maru/innovation are mindgaming/metagaming people they know intimately in BOX series with 2 base allins vs P.
The raven needs a revert asap, or the other races energy units need equally harsh nerfs, otherwise i don't see this ending up well. People might look at the patch the first two weeks and think "wow marauder/viking are stronger!" But once that wears off, you're going to see every game trending towards P/Z getting to lategame and Terran being worse off.
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On May 17 2018 18:41 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2018 17:16 Anoss wrote:On May 17 2018 16:58 EXRNaRa wrote:On May 17 2018 16:48 Anoss wrote:
I dont know what i still continu to write some commentary Me neither. Think before you write. Most of ur „arguments“ are pretty pointless and i don‘t even know why i continued reading your wall of text after the first couple of sentences. Sometimes you are in the wrong side of the wall, but you are still thinking that you think right. Despite of how you analyse my argue, this game is not growing up, and on this planet, if you are not growing up you are dying. That's mean i'm right on one thing : All the people who are thinking like you, will leave the game soon, and start less playing, it's mathematics. So if you think this game is great you are the minority. I know a lot of guys with SC2 on the DD but no way they launch it. 4 years ago they was all Dia, all SC2 maniacs. They have some argues to explain why they dont play anymore, but it seems nobody cares. So yeah sorry to disturb, that was i promise my last commentary on TL/ Blizzard thread. Gl gl for next game Player base won't grow much no matter how good Blizzard balance team is because the majority of players want semi-casual games à la Overwatch, LoL, Fortnite, or whatever latest trendy game.
Wrong. You know the difference between those games and what's happened with SC2? I've said this for years...i still say it today.
Those games get balance patches C O N S T A N T L Y. They get updates C O N S T A N T L Y.
SC2 gets this patch that really messes up Terran late game, and it will receive no revert, and no patches now for months because it's the way blizzard patches their games. They release a patch and won't admit it was a mistake or wrong ever. What they do is, next patch, when they and people realize Terran lategame is screwed...they will complicate the problem further by randomly buffing/nerfing something else instead of reverting the original thing they screwed up.
Look at LoL - they did a complete basically 100% Leblanc revert. They admitted they screwed up the champion, and did a full revert to her, sure it took a bit, but they did. But they constantly are making changes, patch changes that actually are impactful and change the meta and balance.
Same for Fortnite. Constant game updates, whether to cosmetics or even adding new weapons into the game, and even removing weapons flat out from the game that are bad for the game. Case in point - the guided missile that was in the game for a few weeks, and then flat out removed because it was bad for the game.
SC2 will take this balance patch, it will be horrendous for T lategame for the coming months, and then we'll get a balance post from blizzard months from now about how they think Terran might not be doing well lategame, and that they're keeping an eye on it.
3 months after that, they'll release another post saying - "we're going to make a change for Terran lategame since we may have taken too much power away from the raven. We're going to give BCS +10 HP as compensation."
aka they'll make an irrelevant change that doesn't address the problem, and then that patch will STICK for the next months with the problem persisting in the game.
That's why SC2 has come to this point that it is at nowadays. DEVELOPER EGO. They do not want to admit any fault when it comes to SC2, or a lack of knowledge of the game. I invite Blizzard to discuss mech / lategame balance with myself, and someone like me that has mega insight into long 20+ minute games can help them put meaningful changes into the game. I'd even challenge the guys running "the pylon" to have me on their show if they are brave enough to discuss these recent patch changes and what's currently wrong with SC2 - doubtful they will be brave enough to do that though, because no one wants to discuss actual reality when it comes to SC2.
Players / streamers from LoL for example the streamer anniebot was contacted before by Riot when they wanted to re-balance/adjust annie. Blizzard should be doing the same thing in SC2 - get into contact with a player like myself that's used mass raven/mech for years, so that i can give them insight and offer them changes that won't break the game but will get mass raven out of the game while offering Terran lategame to not be an autoloss.
I've reached out to them before, with ZERO ANSWER. If anyone wonders why i've been vocal and upset and it might seem like i shit talk the devs sometimes or am not tactful - it's because i've reached out already plenty of times with zero response, so they either do not care or do not value the opinion of someone who has expertise on units in the game like ravens or lategame scenarios.
The truth of the matter is this most recent patch is just flat out terrible. There is no way to really sugar coat it, it's just a bad patch in many ways, including the map pool, but mostly because it nerfs 1/3 races lategame without touching the other two. How is it remotely fair to remove Terran's lategame while not touching the other two races? This makes no sense.
The depressing thing is that regardless of balance, we'll all be stuck with this patch for the next however many months until we get a blizzard post saying they're looking into maybe possibly changing things, with no reverts on bad changes.
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On May 18 2018 21:52 avilo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2018 18:41 Poopi wrote:On May 17 2018 17:16 Anoss wrote:On May 17 2018 16:58 EXRNaRa wrote:On May 17 2018 16:48 Anoss wrote:
I dont know what i still continu to write some commentary Me neither. Think before you write. Most of ur „arguments“ are pretty pointless and i don‘t even know why i continued reading your wall of text after the first couple of sentences. Sometimes you are in the wrong side of the wall, but you are still thinking that you think right. Despite of how you analyse my argue, this game is not growing up, and on this planet, if you are not growing up you are dying. That's mean i'm right on one thing : All the people who are thinking like you, will leave the game soon, and start less playing, it's mathematics. So if you think this game is great you are the minority. I know a lot of guys with SC2 on the DD but no way they launch it. 4 years ago they was all Dia, all SC2 maniacs. They have some argues to explain why they dont play anymore, but it seems nobody cares. So yeah sorry to disturb, that was i promise my last commentary on TL/ Blizzard thread. Gl gl for next game Player base won't grow much no matter how good Blizzard balance team is because the majority of players want semi-casual games à la Overwatch, LoL, Fortnite, or whatever latest trendy game. Wrong. You know the difference between those games and what's happened with SC2? I've said this for years...i still say it today. Those games get balance patches C O N S T A N T L Y. They get updates C O N S T A N T L Y. SC2 gets this patch that really messes up Terran late game, and it will receive no revert, and no patches now for months because it's the way blizzard patches their games. They release a patch and won't admit it was a mistake or wrong ever. What they do is, next patch, when they and people realize Terran lategame is screwed...they will complicate the problem further by randomly buffing/nerfing something else instead of reverting the original thing they screwed up. Look at LoL - they did a complete basically 100% Leblanc revert. They admitted they screwed up the champion, and did a full revert to her, sure it took a bit, but they did. But they constantly are making changes, patch changes that actually are impactful and change the meta and balance. Same for Fortnite. Constant game updates, whether to cosmetics or even adding new weapons into the game, and even removing weapons flat out from the game that are bad for the game. Case in point - the guided missile that was in the game for a few weeks, and then flat out removed because it was bad for the game. SC2 will take this balance patch, it will be horrendous for T lategame for the coming months, and then we'll get a balance post from blizzard months from now about how they think Terran might not be doing well lategame, and that they're keeping an eye on it. 3 months after that, they'll release another post saying - "we're going to make a change for Terran lategame since we may have taken too much power away from the raven. We're going to give BCS +10 HP as compensation." aka they'll make an irrelevant change that doesn't address the problem, and then that patch will STICK for the next months with the problem persisting in the game. That's why SC2 has come to this point that it is at nowadays. DEVELOPER EGO. They do not want to admit any fault when it comes to SC2, or a lack of knowledge of the game. I invite Blizzard to discuss mech / lategame balance with myself, and someone like me that has mega insight into long 20+ minute games can help them put meaningful changes into the game. I'd even challenge the guys running "the pylon" to have me on their show if they are brave enough to discuss these recent patch changes and what's currently wrong with SC2 - doubtful they will be brave enough to do that though, because no one wants to discuss actual reality when it comes to SC2. Players / streamers from LoL for example the streamer anniebot was contacted before by Riot when they wanted to re-balance/adjust annie. Blizzard should be doing the same thing in SC2 - get into contact with a player like myself that's used mass raven/mech for years, so that i can give them insight and offer them changes that won't break the game but will get mass raven out of the game while offering Terran lategame to not be an autoloss. I've reached out to them before, with ZERO ANSWER. If anyone wonders why i've been vocal and upset and it might seem like i shit talk the devs sometimes or am not tactful - it's because i've reached out already plenty of times with zero response, so they either do not care or do not value the opinion of someone who has expertise on units in the game like ravens or lategame scenarios. The truth of the matter is this most recent patch is just flat out terrible. There is no way to really sugar coat it, it's just a bad patch in many ways, including the map pool, but mostly because it nerfs 1/3 races lategame without touching the other two. How is it remotely fair to remove Terran's lategame while not touching the other two races? This makes no sense. The depressing thing is that regardless of balance, we'll all be stuck with this patch for the next however many months until we get a blizzard post saying they're looking into maybe possibly changing things, with no reverts on bad changes.
Starcraft devs are ignoring you? (Gee, I wonder why)
Four years later, this image still manages to remain relevant:
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Ultras are so horribly bad now vs terran its almost comical! they need to up their armor ASAP!
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Looks like it's endless war, man. War on balance, man. And now you know you should like forget about strategic aspects and just be faster, build more, abusing it. A big mess in here. Macro games. Tons of AOE and abusing some units like infrestor, raven of carriers/storms. More like a message to you, hey, man stop think about your strategy and keep pressing buttons. I miss the intial start with 5 workers, man.
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lol@avilo. shit on bio terrans more.
terrans got a late-game buff (versus zergs) in the form of marauder-buff. marauders are also buffed mid-game versus protoss against upgraded (armor) zealots.
you get no sympathy from me. learn to be what you call a "bio-whore"
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On May 18 2018 21:52 avilo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2018 18:41 Poopi wrote:On May 17 2018 17:16 Anoss wrote:On May 17 2018 16:58 EXRNaRa wrote:On May 17 2018 16:48 Anoss wrote:
I dont know what i still continu to write some commentary Me neither. Think before you write. Most of ur „arguments“ are pretty pointless and i don‘t even know why i continued reading your wall of text after the first couple of sentences. Sometimes you are in the wrong side of the wall, but you are still thinking that you think right. Despite of how you analyse my argue, this game is not growing up, and on this planet, if you are not growing up you are dying. That's mean i'm right on one thing : All the people who are thinking like you, will leave the game soon, and start less playing, it's mathematics. So if you think this game is great you are the minority. I know a lot of guys with SC2 on the DD but no way they launch it. 4 years ago they was all Dia, all SC2 maniacs. They have some argues to explain why they dont play anymore, but it seems nobody cares. So yeah sorry to disturb, that was i promise my last commentary on TL/ Blizzard thread. Gl gl for next game Player base won't grow much no matter how good Blizzard balance team is because the majority of players want semi-casual games à la Overwatch, LoL, Fortnite, or whatever latest trendy game. Wrong. You know the difference between those games and what's happened with SC2? I've said this for years...i still say it today. Those games get balance patches C O N S T A N T L Y. They get updates C O N S T A N T L Y. SC2 gets this patch that really messes up Terran late game, and it will receive no revert, and no patches now for months because it's the way blizzard patches their games. They release a patch and won't admit it was a mistake or wrong ever. What they do is, next patch, when they and people realize Terran lategame is screwed...they will complicate the problem further by randomly buffing/nerfing something else instead of reverting the original thing they screwed up. Look at LoL - they did a complete basically 100% Leblanc revert. They admitted they screwed up the champion, and did a full revert to her, sure it took a bit, but they did. But they constantly are making changes, patch changes that actually are impactful and change the meta and balance. Same for Fortnite. Constant game updates, whether to cosmetics or even adding new weapons into the game, and even removing weapons flat out from the game that are bad for the game. Case in point - the guided missile that was in the game for a few weeks, and then flat out removed because it was bad for the game. SC2 will take this balance patch, it will be horrendous for T lategame for the coming months, and then we'll get a balance post from blizzard months from now about how they think Terran might not be doing well lategame, and that they're keeping an eye on it. 3 months after that, they'll release another post saying - "we're going to make a change for Terran lategame since we may have taken too much power away from the raven. We're going to give BCS +10 HP as compensation." aka they'll make an irrelevant change that doesn't address the problem, and then that patch will STICK for the next months with the problem persisting in the game. That's why SC2 has come to this point that it is at nowadays. DEVELOPER EGO. They do not want to admit any fault when it comes to SC2, or a lack of knowledge of the game. I invite Blizzard to discuss mech / lategame balance with myself, and someone like me that has mega insight into long 20+ minute games can help them put meaningful changes into the game. I'd even challenge the guys running "the pylon" to have me on their show if they are brave enough to discuss these recent patch changes and what's currently wrong with SC2 - doubtful they will be brave enough to do that though, because no one wants to discuss actual reality when it comes to SC2. Players / streamers from LoL for example the streamer anniebot was contacted before by Riot when they wanted to re-balance/adjust annie. Blizzard should be doing the same thing in SC2 - get into contact with a player like myself that's used mass raven/mech for years, so that i can give them insight and offer them changes that won't break the game but will get mass raven out of the game while offering Terran lategame to not be an autoloss. I've reached out to them before, with ZERO ANSWER. If anyone wonders why i've been vocal and upset and it might seem like i shit talk the devs sometimes or am not tactful - it's because i've reached out already plenty of times with zero response, so they either do not care or do not value the opinion of someone who has expertise on units in the game like ravens or lategame scenarios. The truth of the matter is this most recent patch is just flat out terrible. There is no way to really sugar coat it, it's just a bad patch in many ways, including the map pool, but mostly because it nerfs 1/3 races lategame without touching the other two. How is it remotely fair to remove Terran's lategame while not touching the other two races? This makes no sense. The depressing thing is that regardless of balance, we'll all be stuck with this patch for the next however many months until we get a blizzard post saying they're looking into maybe possibly changing things, with no reverts on bad changes.
Good thing that blizzard hasn't contacted you, haven't heard too many good things about balance from your side.
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