StarCraft II Balance Update – May 15, 2018 - Page 4

On May 17 2018 22:26 MockHamill wrote:


Yeah they still can not handle Carriers except if the Carrier count is really low and have no splash damage units supporting them.

But maybe it is better to nerf the Carriers directly since they are too strong in all matchups.

On May 17 2018 23:19 Charoisaur wrote:

Pls add the quote where DK said he wants less strategy, macro and planning.

On May 18 2018 05:15 Charoisaur wrote:

Wait since when do we take foreign tournaments in consideration when talking about balance?
I mean I don't mind it but the Zerg nerfs that would follow would be quite massive

On May 18 2018 08:44 Boggyb wrote:

And that's a bad thing? The race distribution of the non-Korean scene was argument #2 for why the split WCS Circuit was a dumb decision. Why on earth would you save a broken scene?

On May 18 2018 09:21 Orlok wrote:
Again, we're in the circle-jerk of balance is either stupid, needs to be fixed, and blizzard has no idea how to make the game truly balanced and forever fair. I've only played around 10 games post patch, and to be totally honest? Apart from the odd few games where I went late game and realized MMM can't beat colossi+storm or Ultra-Viper, I felt no immediate difference to the overall state of the game apart from that marauders seem to smash buildings quicker than before (as well has armored units).
I will have to say that I don't think any of these changes have really broken or destroyed the game. I will always say this, but this idea of micro-macro being either more or less important isn't really the biggest issue when playing. Knowing your win condition and how you position yourself to get there is the most important factor to win. I get exasperated when people post that this unit is broken, this strat is broken etc. Only in professional matches does it seem even close to broken; in normal ladder I've never been beaten by a strategy or a unit I thought was "broken". If it looked like that, it was more me letting them reach the late game undeterred than the units themselves being broken.
Like, we complain about ultras hitting around 8:30 to 9 but immediately forget we must have done something wrong letting them hit a healthy amount of ultras ad 8:30 at all. If the other player rushed to ultras, he either has one or two, which you can deal with with just about anything or you let him macro scot free, which you can never let a zerg player do, let alone any player in sc2.
Please lets drop the pitchforks and lets play, and if we hit a wall lets try to say that its because we must have done something wrong and something needs to be improved APART from balance.

On May 17 2018 18:41 Poopi wrote:

Player base won't grow much no matter how good Blizzard balance team is because the majority of players want semi-casual games à la Overwatch, LoL, Fortnite, or whatever latest trendy game.

On May 18 2018 21:52 avilo wrote:


Wrong. You know the difference between those games and what's happened with SC2? I've said this for years...i still say it today.

Those games get balance patches C O N S T A N T L Y. They get updates C O N S T A N T L Y.

SC2 gets this patch that really messes up Terran late game, and it will receive no revert, and no patches now for months because it's the way blizzard patches their games. They release a patch and won't admit it was a mistake or wrong ever. What they do is, next patch, when they and people realize Terran lategame is screwed...they will complicate the problem further by randomly buffing/nerfing something else instead of reverting the original thing they screwed up.

Look at LoL - they did a complete basically 100% Leblanc revert. They admitted they screwed up the champion, and did a full revert to her, sure it took a bit, but they did. But they constantly are making changes, patch changes that actually are impactful and change the meta and balance.

Same for Fortnite. Constant game updates, whether to cosmetics or even adding new weapons into the game, and even removing weapons flat out from the game that are bad for the game. Case in point - the guided missile that was in the game for a few weeks, and then flat out removed because it was bad for the game.

SC2 will take this balance patch, it will be horrendous for T lategame for the coming months, and then we'll get a balance post from blizzard months from now about how they think Terran might not be doing well lategame, and that they're keeping an eye on it.

3 months after that, they'll release another post saying - "we're going to make a change for Terran lategame since we may have taken too much power away from the raven. We're going to give BCS +10 HP as compensation."

aka they'll make an irrelevant change that doesn't address the problem, and then that patch will STICK for the next months with the problem persisting in the game.

That's why SC2 has come to this point that it is at nowadays. DEVELOPER EGO. They do not want to admit any fault when it comes to SC2, or a lack of knowledge of the game. I invite Blizzard to discuss mech / lategame balance with myself, and someone like me that has mega insight into long 20+ minute games can help them put meaningful changes into the game. I'd even challenge the guys running "the pylon" to have me on their show if they are brave enough to discuss these recent patch changes and what's currently wrong with SC2 - doubtful they will be brave enough to do that though, because no one wants to discuss actual reality when it comes to SC2.

Players / streamers from LoL for example the streamer anniebot was contacted before by Riot when they wanted to re-balance/adjust annie. Blizzard should be doing the same thing in SC2 - get into contact with a player like myself that's used mass raven/mech for years, so that i can give them insight and offer them changes that won't break the game but will get mass raven out of the game while offering Terran lategame to not be an autoloss.

I've reached out to them before, with ZERO ANSWER. If anyone wonders why i've been vocal and upset and it might seem like i shit talk the devs sometimes or am not tactful - it's because i've reached out already plenty of times with zero response, so they either do not care or do not value the opinion of someone who has expertise on units in the game like ravens or lategame scenarios.

The truth of the matter is this most recent patch is just flat out terrible. There is no way to really sugar coat it, it's just a bad patch in many ways, including the map pool, but mostly because it nerfs 1/3 races lategame without touching the other two. How is it remotely fair to remove Terran's lategame while not touching the other two races? This makes no sense.

The depressing thing is that regardless of balance, we'll all be stuck with this patch for the next however many months until we get a blizzard post saying they're looking into maybe possibly changing things, with no reverts on bad changes.

On May 18 2018 21:52 avilo wrote:


Wrong. You know the difference between those games and what's happened with SC2? I've said this for years...i still say it today.

Those games get balance patches C O N S T A N T L Y. They get updates C O N S T A N T L Y.

SC2 gets this patch that really messes up Terran late game, and it will receive no revert, and no patches now for months because it's the way blizzard patches their games. They release a patch and won't admit it was a mistake or wrong ever. What they do is, next patch, when they and people realize Terran lategame is screwed...they will complicate the problem further by randomly buffing/nerfing something else instead of reverting the original thing they screwed up.

Look at LoL - they did a complete basically 100% Leblanc revert. They admitted they screwed up the champion, and did a full revert to her, sure it took a bit, but they did. But they constantly are making changes, patch changes that actually are impactful and change the meta and balance.

Same for Fortnite. Constant game updates, whether to cosmetics or even adding new weapons into the game, and even removing weapons flat out from the game that are bad for the game. Case in point - the guided missile that was in the game for a few weeks, and then flat out removed because it was bad for the game.

SC2 will take this balance patch, it will be horrendous for T lategame for the coming months, and then we'll get a balance post from blizzard months from now about how they think Terran might not be doing well lategame, and that they're keeping an eye on it.

3 months after that, they'll release another post saying - "we're going to make a change for Terran lategame since we may have taken too much power away from the raven. We're going to give BCS +10 HP as compensation."

aka they'll make an irrelevant change that doesn't address the problem, and then that patch will STICK for the next months with the problem persisting in the game.

That's why SC2 has come to this point that it is at nowadays. DEVELOPER EGO. They do not want to admit any fault when it comes to SC2, or a lack of knowledge of the game. I invite Blizzard to discuss mech / lategame balance with myself, and someone like me that has mega insight into long 20+ minute games can help them put meaningful changes into the game. I'd even challenge the guys running "the pylon" to have me on their show if they are brave enough to discuss these recent patch changes and what's currently wrong with SC2 - doubtful they will be brave enough to do that though, because no one wants to discuss actual reality when it comes to SC2.

Players / streamers from LoL for example the streamer anniebot was contacted before by Riot when they wanted to re-balance/adjust annie. Blizzard should be doing the same thing in SC2 - get into contact with a player like myself that's used mass raven/mech for years, so that i can give them insight and offer them changes that won't break the game but will get mass raven out of the game while offering Terran lategame to not be an autoloss.

I've reached out to them before, with ZERO ANSWER. If anyone wonders why i've been vocal and upset and it might seem like i shit talk the devs sometimes or am not tactful - it's because i've reached out already plenty of times with zero response, so they either do not care or do not value the opinion of someone who has expertise on units in the game like ravens or lategame scenarios.

The truth of the matter is this most recent patch is just flat out terrible. There is no way to really sugar coat it, it's just a bad patch in many ways, including the map pool, but mostly because it nerfs 1/3 races lategame without touching the other two. How is it remotely fair to remove Terran's lategame while not touching the other two races? This makes no sense.

The depressing thing is that regardless of balance, we'll all be stuck with this patch for the next however many months until we get a blizzard post saying they're looking into maybe possibly changing things, with no reverts on bad changes.