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StarCraft II Balance Update – May 15, 2018

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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
May 16 2018 14:31 GMT
#1
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Today we're releasing a balance patch that affects the Marauder, Raven, and Viking. To learn about the thinking behind these changes, check out our latest community update. The following changes are now live, including bug fixes for the current Versus Ladder map pool.

Terran
  • Raven
  • Anti-Armor Missile initial and splash damage reduced from 30 to 15.
  • Auto-Turret cast range increased from 1 to 2.
  • Marauder
  • Punisher Grenade attacks reduced from 2 to 1.
  • Damage of each attack increased from 5 (10 vs Armored) to 10 (20 vs Armored).
  • Upgrades will provide +1 Base and +2 Armored.
  • Level 0: 10 (20 vs Armored)
  • Level 1: 11 (22 vs Armored)
  • Level 2: 12 (24 vs Armored)
  • Level 3: 13 (26 vs Armored)
  • Viking health increased from 125 to 135.



Bug Fixes

Maps

(Wiki)16-Bit LE – Restored missing doodads, terrain, and pathing in the northwest area of the map.
(Wiki)Backwater LE – Fixed an issue where structures in water would have their ripples seen through the Fog of War before the structure itself was in the enemy player’s vision.
(Wiki)Darkness SanctuaryLE – Adjusted the terrain at the ramp of the natural expansion to allow wall-offs.
(Wiki)Redshift LE – Adjusted how creep appears for better visibility against snow terrain.


Thank you again to those that have provided us with constructive feedback and helped us make StarCraft II the great game that it is. As always, we'll be watching how these changes affect balance and will be constantly monitoring for other opportunities to make StarCraft II the best game it can be. GLHF!

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pieroog
Profile Joined June 2010
Poland146 Posts
May 16 2018 14:38 GMT
#2
wow! that's a lot of changes.... I wonder how the Ultralisk will perform with these kind of alterations
xTJx
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil419 Posts
May 16 2018 14:44 GMT
#3
Happy that they're buffing non cancerous units.
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GoSuNamhciR
Profile Joined May 2010
125 Posts
May 16 2018 14:54 GMT
#4
Will be interesting to see how this plays out in the pro level. Terran late game is obviously much worse, but their mid game is a lot better and we may be able to not force a map split every game on large maps now.
Caelum93
Profile Joined March 2018
62 Posts
May 16 2018 14:54 GMT
#5
On May 16 2018 23:38 pieroog wrote:
wow! that's a lot of changes.... I wonder how the Ultralisk will perform with these kind of alterations

You dont play Ultras
xTJx
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil419 Posts
May 16 2018 15:00 GMT
#6
On May 16 2018 23:54 Caelum93 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2018 23:38 pieroog wrote:
wow! that's a lot of changes.... I wonder how the Ultralisk will perform with these kind of alterations

You dont play Ultras


Yeah, Terrans usualy go tanks nowadays, broods are better.
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EvanC
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada130 Posts
May 16 2018 15:40 GMT
#7
I'm a little confused about how this is a buff for the Maurader.

It's getting 1 attack instead of 2, but doubling the damage? Isn't that the same?
c0sm0naut
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1229 Posts
May 16 2018 15:44 GMT
#8
On May 17 2018 00:40 EvanC wrote:
I'm a little confused about how this is a buff for the Maurader.

It's getting 1 attack instead of 2, but doubling the damage? Isn't that the same?


the higher the number of attacks, the more times the armor of your enemy's units is applied
Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
May 16 2018 15:50 GMT
#9
On May 17 2018 00:40 EvanC wrote:
I'm a little confused about how this is a buff for the Maurader.

It's getting 1 attack instead of 2, but doubling the damage? Isn't that the same?


No it's not the same, 1 armor would reduce 20 damage to 19 with one attack, with two attack animation it would be 18.

Now it looks like a minor change, but you can count how much time a marauder would take killing ultra having two attacks and one in comparison
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c0sm0naut
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1229 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-16 16:11:22
May 16 2018 16:05 GMT
#10
pretty sure this change (when every one is 3/3 researched) makes the marauder go from needing:

32~ shots to kill an ultralisk

to 24~ shots to kill an ultralisk. anyone who understands upgrades feel free to chime in, i used

500/(26-10)
500/(26-5)

not sure this is exactly right but it feels about right.

w plating

500/(26-14) = 42~ hits
500/(26-7)= 27~ hits

can any one confirm? this seems like a massive change
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
May 16 2018 16:11 GMT
#11
In my qualifying match yesterday the Vikings felt a little bit more study against a Protoss that went for quick-carriers. They didn't feel OP, but definitely had a little bit more lasting-power.
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ToXavieR
Profile Joined April 2017
Cuba19 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-16 19:26:52
May 16 2018 16:20 GMT
#12
Today i felt the Buff of the Marauders against protoss, 3 rax, one with reactor, two with techlab, bio upgrades and push in each game .
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MockHamill
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1798 Posts
May 16 2018 16:22 GMT
#13
On May 17 2018 01:11 renaissanceMAN wrote:
In my qualifying match yesterday the Vikings felt a little bit more study against a Protoss that went for quick-carriers. They didn't feel OP, but definitely had a little bit more lasting-power.


Yes they now trade even with a small number of Carriers provided that the Carrier are not supported by any splash units.
ChowSC2
Profile Joined May 2018
5 Posts
May 16 2018 16:27 GMT
#14
YES

I recently switched to Terran after playing Toss for years.
I thought I was imagining things when I said "wow, is Toss really this OP?"

Thanks for the buffs! Guess I am not as bad as I thought I was!

CHOW
bObA
Profile Joined May 2012
France300 Posts
May 16 2018 18:14 GMT
#15
Do you think only 10 life points more for Viking is enough ?
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
May 16 2018 18:36 GMT
#16
On May 17 2018 03:14 bObA wrote:
Do you think only 10 life points more for Viking is enough ?

10 life points is all you need to send someone to the Shadow Realm.
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Freeborn
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany421 Posts
May 16 2018 18:47 GMT
#17
Hurray!

Back to the days of MMM dominance...

Let's see how it goes.
c0sm0naut
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1229 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-16 19:15:54
May 16 2018 19:15 GMT
#18
On May 17 2018 03:36 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2018 03:14 bObA wrote:
Do you think only 10 life points more for Viking is enough ?

10 life points is all you need to send someone to the Shadow Realm.


:v

so anime
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
May 16 2018 19:36 GMT
#19
Do they affect co-op commanders? Raynor probably very op with it.
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renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
May 16 2018 20:04 GMT
#20
On May 17 2018 04:36 Dingodile wrote:
Do they affect co-op commanders? Raynor probably very op with it.


I think they said it was only in Versus Multiplayer, not in Co-Op.
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