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NonY
8751 Posts
On November 16 2017 04:14 Zaros wrote: No people want skins because they look fucking cool not to gain some marginal advantage because the opponent might not make out what a unit is. I don't care what skins display on their client. I just want to be able to control my own game client. | ||
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Penev
28536 Posts
On November 16 2017 04:29 Charoisaur wrote: They want to show of that they have enough money to afford that shiny skin. I want to show of that I'm so rich that I'm able to turn their skins of. What's the difference? They should just give an alert to notify them that their opponent can't see their skin so I can really feel good about it. add it to announcer packs so you can let your opponent know in the voice of your favorite caster | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
On November 16 2017 04:16 Endymion wrote: i'm not disagreeing with you at all, i completely agree that skins are stupid in sc2 because they offer a competitive advantage this is so temporary though, once you get used to it there is no competitive advantage whatsoever, and atm it's BARELY an advantage, it's a bit like saying oh you have a competitive advantage over me because you played more games, you shouldn't be allowed to play more games | ||
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Endymion
United States3701 Posts
On November 16 2017 04:41 ROOTFayth wrote: this is so temporary though, once you get used to it there is no competitive advantage whatsoever, and atm it's BARELY an advantage, it's a bit like saying oh you have a competitive advantage over me because you played more games, you shouldn't be allowed to play more games i haven't played sc2 in a long time, but i remember that ludicrous zergling skin that was added where you couldn't count speedlings quickly... also, if it was mixed with banelings, the wings would block banelings from sight in large numbers making it even more difficult to count them quickly.. it made ZvZ and TvZ a nightmare and it felt really frustrating saying "damn, i REALLY wish i could just turn this guy's skins off so that i could count his units" | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
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Haukinger
Germany131 Posts
On November 16 2017 04:16 Endymion wrote:i'm not disagreeing with you at all, i completely agree that skins are stupid in sc2 because they offer a competitive advantage It's not like skins are restricted in any way, or have I missed something? If they offer an advantage, everyone is free to use them. Do you want to ban mechanical keyboards or fast cpus because they offer an advantage, too? And btw, I'd appreciate skins that made a real difference, like ghosts being (nearly) undistinguishable from marines but marauders thor-sized, for example. My next step would then be to let the skins actually modify the units, like marines with miniguns that have doubled rate of fire but tanks with reduced range. Give just five of these to each race and you've got a ton of new exciting matchups. | ||
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riotjune
United States3394 Posts
On November 16 2017 04:51 Haukinger wrote: It's not like skins are restricted in any way, or have I missed something? If they offer an advantage, everyone is free to use them. Do you want to ban mechanical keyboards or fast cpus because they offer an advantage, too? And btw, I'd appreciate skins that made a real difference, like ghosts being (nearly) undistinguishable from marines but marauders thor-sized, for example. My next step would then be to let the skins actually modify the units, like marines with miniguns that have doubled rate of fire but tanks with reduced range. Give just five of these to each race and you've got a ton of new exciting matchups. This is a great idea, Blizzard get on it! | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
On November 16 2017 04:51 Haukinger wrote: It's not like skins are restricted in any way, or have I missed something? If they offer an advantage, everyone is free to use them. Do you want to ban mechanical keyboards or fast cpus because they offer an advantage, too? And btw, I'd appreciate skins that made a real difference, like ghosts being (nearly) undistinguishable from marines but marauders thor-sized, for example. My next step would then be to let the skins actually modify the units, like marines with miniguns that have doubled rate of fire but tanks with reduced range. Give just five of these to each race and you've got a ton of new exciting matchups. I think the argument here is that people are saying skins are a very very slight "pay 2 win" but once you figure the skins out it's not going to be a problem so yeah... I don't think it's a big deal at all and for your 2nd paragraph that obviously can't work in a competitive environment haha, could be fun though for casual play | ||
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Endymion
United States3701 Posts
On November 16 2017 04:50 ROOTFayth wrote: counting zerglings and banelings? people do that in TvZ? seems doable in ZvZ early game when numbers are low but otherwise...? counting and also just seeing where the banelings are in the blob (for splitting marines optimally) | ||
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KR_4EVR
316 Posts
As zerg: The stalker weapon is now way too powerful. Please turn the buff into an upgrade. Also, I don't like having to build a separate lurker den. As terran: The +56% area fungal buff is ridicuous. It turns the most unskilled fungal into an excellent one. Also, thanks to raven and mine redesign, I now have zero AOE attackers except tank. As protoss: Liberator vision nerf didn't go far enough. Also, I want nexus overcharge back. | ||
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KR_4EVR
316 Posts
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Haukinger
Germany131 Posts
On November 16 2017 04:56 ROOTFayth wrote:and for your 2nd paragraph that obviously can't work in a competitive environment haha, could be fun though for casual play I think it can work in tournaments, too, if your "skin" selection is known to the opponent before the game. Otherwise it might well increase the chance for build order wins (which viewers seem to dislike). | ||
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Haukinger
Germany131 Posts
On November 16 2017 05:22 KR_4EVR wrote: Oh, and since high templar got a baseline auto-attack to save on micro, could medivac please get a drop while flying hotkey to save on micro? While we're at it, can queens get semi-auto-inject? Not that all queens always inject on their own, but if you manually inject a queen at a hatch once, it will inject again once the timer is elapsed unless told something else (i.e. moved away, attacked something etc.) | ||
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MockHamill
Sweden1798 Posts
I think the following changes are needed as soon as possible. 1) Add 20 seconds to the build time of Stargates 2) Add 30 seconds to the blink stalker research time. 3) Reduce the radius of fungal growth. 4) Make shield batteries either heal slower or cost more resources. | ||
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Jealous
10423 Posts
On November 16 2017 06:40 MockHamill wrote: Although I like the general direction of the changes the game is not really playable in its current state. I think the following changes are needed as soon as possible. 1) Add 20 seconds to the build time of Stargates 2) Add 30 seconds to the blink stalker research time. 3) Reduce the radius of fungal growth. 4) Make shield batteries either heal slower or cost more resources. 30 seconds? Lmfao. 5) Buff mech, amirite? | ||
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
Seeing it gone and proper chronoboost back makes me legitimately want to play the game again for the first time since the launch of LOTV. That stuff combined with the colossus buff makes it feel like they might be going a bit toward a more solid, almost Wings of Liberty style for Protoss rather than a bunch of units with a bunch of spells like Protoss has felt like in LOTV. I probably will at least play some unranked tonight, if not get into ranked again. I've been thinking about playing SC2 again and jumping in at this patch seems like a good time to do so. | ||
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ClanWars
United States330 Posts
On November 16 2017 04:37 NonY wrote: I don't care what skins display on their client. I just want to be able to control my own game client. That is never, ever going to happen. You might wanna focus on a battle that you can win, like making sure that Blizzard does not release skins that are hard to see/actively confusing to players. They are never going to let you turn skins off. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On November 16 2017 06:40 MockHamill wrote: Although I like the general direction of the changes the game is not really playable in its current state. I think the following changes are needed as soon as possible. 1) Add 20 seconds to the build time of Stargates 2) Add 30 seconds to the blink stalker research time. 3) Reduce the radius of fungal growth. 4) Make shield batteries either heal slower or cost more resources. ....you have a very strange definition of unplayable | ||
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NonY
8751 Posts
On November 16 2017 08:36 ClanWars wrote: That is never, ever going to happen. You might wanna focus on a battle that you can win, like making sure that Blizzard does not release skins that are hard to see/actively confusing to players. They are never going to let you turn skins off. Blizzard has already required skins to be turned off for tournaments. So it already did happen. | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On November 16 2017 06:40 MockHamill wrote: Although I like the general direction of the changes the game is not really playable in its current state. I think the following changes are needed as soon as possible. 1) Add 20 seconds to the build time of Stargates 2) Add 30 seconds to the blink stalker research time. 3) Reduce the radius of fungal growth. 4) Make shield batteries either heal slower or cost more resources. Basically, you want Protoss to be unplayable. | ||
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