Patch 4.0 - StarCraft II is free to play - Page 9

On November 16 2017 09:01 lestye wrote:

You're comparing tournament rules to something you want in the base game. Riot Games have had similar rules regarding certain skins for YEARS in the LCS. League doesn't have such an option.

On November 16 2017 02:32 MrWayne wrote:

2) Chrono Boost:
It's nice for Protoss to have the cool energy based Chrono Boost back but the new one is way, way too good because of the insane stackability of this spell.

Right now, if the terran get's unlucky and didn't scoute the proxy, it's 50/50 instant GG because if he builds blinde turrets and it's robo he's dead, if he didn't build turrets and it's stargate he's also dead because he will never have enough marines to defend, even if T scoute the proxy it's super hard to def and he will be almost certainly behind because he has to commit so much into defens.

I know it's hard to predict how changes will turn out in the live game but if I had that idea, the first thing i would check is how fast can protoss get certain units out, especialy in the first 3-4min because not a lot of player interaction happens there.

I don't know exactly what a good change would be, maybe change Chrono Boost to HotS Chrono Boost or make the Chrono Boost 50% longer but also 50% more energy so you can only boost the proxy oracle once. Perhaps both?

They need to fix this two problems befor we can talk reasonable about other "minor" balance issues.

I hope they can do this befor the WESG qualifier because right now, SC2 is more e-WWE than e-sport.

thank you for reading, hope my english was not too bad

On November 16 2017 09:35 Odowan Paleolithic wrote:

Disclaimer: I haven't proxied anything in this patch yet. I played HOTS before.

2.1)How did the Terran's defend proxies in HOTS/WoL (polar night blink era) ? Does no one scv scouts anymore?
2.2)I believe HOTS chrono is stronger than this version but weaker than the old LotV one although I would be nice for Sholip to do one again.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/510475-the-myth-of-the-chrono-boost-buff-in-lotv

The "current" one costs 50 energy and causes the target structure to operate 100% faster for 10 seconds.
Nexus starting energy is increased to 50. The current one is more lethal due to 10 seconds duration but less "storable" due to 50 energy requirement. and for buildings that continuously builds it shaves off less seconds compared to hots.

For example, you have a building that continuously builds. The HOTS chronoboost will shave 33% of the time it was applied or 10 sec build time saving for roughly every 32 seconds needed for the 25 energy. The new one takes 64 seconds to recharge and only shaves off 10sec build time from building time 20 seconds or larger. So in a whole minute the old one would shave at least 20 second build time where as the new one would only shave off 10 second build time. Economy wise since the HotS is only just about superior to the LotV old chrono if everything hits and not wasted on double cast, the new one is only going to be worse since each misuse is a 64 second recharge.

In a way it is discouraging "macro" play.

edit: word errors

On November 16 2017 09:24 NonY wrote:

I specifically said competitive play :o

edit: To clarify, there is a competition which starts at the ladder and leads into big live events. For live events, rules like no skins can be manually enforced. But for the ladder stage of the competition, such a rule cannot be manually enforced. So I'm saying I'd be willing to pay my share for the development of such a feature for the game client, just as people wanting to see skins have paid their share to have them implemented. I said that because people were claiming it was all about money. But the idea that Blizzard is so against disabling skins at all that they'd never ever do it is just plain false since they already do it. Whether or not such a thing gets put into the client is a matter of necessity. They don't need it for live events with smaller number of players, but they would need it if they wanted to enforce the rule for the ladder portion. So far, they've decided to just not disallow skins on the ladder. But I don't see why it's so crazy to think that they'd consider it. Especially when you've also got casual players who just dislike some of the skins and don't want to have to see them.

On November 16 2017 17:36 Charoisaur wrote:

Your argument is ridicolous and makes no sense. That you're still arguing this is completely beyond me. You won't know what your opponent sees. I can select different graphic options so I view the game different anyway.
How does it matter at all what your opponent sees, how does it affect your gaming experience?
If your opponent enables the option to not show skins why do you want to force him to see something he doesn't want to see? To be a dick?

On November 16 2017 16:35 papaz wrote:
In almost all games on all levels the outcome of a game wont be decided because of the skin of the unit. Your ladder rank over time will DEFINETELY NOT depend on skins being on or off.

On November 16 2017 16:35 papaz wrote:

I cannot believe someone like you is still arguing about the skins. What is so hard to understand? For the casual playerbase skins mean a lot, they are tagerted here. That also includes showing your skin to the opponent. Read the last sentence a couple of times so you REALLY understand why paying for turning off skins will NEVER be an option.

In almost all games on all levels the outcome of a game wont be decided because of the skin of the unit. Your ladder rank over time will DEFINETELY NOT depend on skins being on or off.

And in tournaments skins are off so no game outcome is affected by skins.

How on earth this subject is so difficult to understand from Blizzard and overall playerbase point of view and see someone like you argue over this for so long is beyond me.

On November 16 2017 19:08 Musicus wrote:

It's all just sc2 now. WoL, HotS, LotV are the campaigns. The multiplayer only has a single ladder now and it's just called sc2. They rebranded the game and retired the WoL and HotS ladder when sc2 went f2p.

So your queue times will definitely be shorter, since everybody is playing the same version now, but you won't be able to play WoL on the ladder.