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On November 15 2017 22:49 FanaticCZ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2017 22:43 Creager wrote:On November 15 2017 22:11 Corvuuss wrote:On November 15 2017 22:06 Ysellian wrote:
@Nony: No that was just the final nail in the coffin. Battlefront 2 also has damage and ability buffs in crates.
Anyway Blizzard should allow you to disable skins in SC2, don't see much reason why they wouldn't. I think the announcer stuff is probably where Blizz earns the most anyway. Simple psychology you don't want something if you don't see it, so if it doesn't show you your enemies skins you're not as likely to buy them. Simply don’t let your opponent know you don’t see any skins, how are they gonna find out if it’s not shown during the loading screen? Agreed 100%. I hate skins. It makes the game so much more confusing when units suddenly are much bigger, have more wings etc. Just allow me to turn them off for myself. No one is ever gonna know if I have them turned on or off.
I am with you guys, give us the option to turn off the skins. New players and skins lover wouldn't care about it anyway so your sales are not in risk
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On November 15 2017 22:43 Creager wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2017 22:11 Corvuuss wrote:On November 15 2017 22:06 Ysellian wrote:
@Nony: No that was just the final nail in the coffin. Battlefront 2 also has damage and ability buffs in crates.
Anyway Blizzard should allow you to disable skins in SC2, don't see much reason why they wouldn't. I think the announcer stuff is probably where Blizz earns the most anyway. Simple psychology you don't want something if you don't see it, so if it doesn't show you your enemies skins you're not as likely to buy them. Simply don’t let your opponent know you don’t see any skins, how are they gonna find out if it’s not shown during the loading screen?
You missed his point, what he's saying is that when you see your opponents skins you might want to have them yourself.
€: Though obviously I would like being able to disable skins aswell.
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On November 15 2017 23:09 raff100 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2017 22:49 FanaticCZ wrote:On November 15 2017 22:43 Creager wrote:On November 15 2017 22:11 Corvuuss wrote:On November 15 2017 22:06 Ysellian wrote:
@Nony: No that was just the final nail in the coffin. Battlefront 2 also has damage and ability buffs in crates.
Anyway Blizzard should allow you to disable skins in SC2, don't see much reason why they wouldn't. I think the announcer stuff is probably where Blizz earns the most anyway. Simple psychology you don't want something if you don't see it, so if it doesn't show you your enemies skins you're not as likely to buy them. Simply don’t let your opponent know you don’t see any skins, how are they gonna find out if it’s not shown during the loading screen? Agreed 100%. I hate skins. It makes the game so much more confusing when units suddenly are much bigger, have more wings etc. Just allow me to turn them off for myself. No one is ever gonna know if I have them turned on or off. I am with you guys, give us the option to turn off the skins. New players and skins lover wouldn't care about it anyway so your sales are not in risk
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On November 15 2017 22:11 Corvuuss wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2017 22:06 Ysellian wrote:
@Nony: No that was just the final nail in the coffin. Battlefront 2 also has damage and ability buffs in crates.
Anyway Blizzard should allow you to disable skins in SC2, don't see much reason why they wouldn't. I think the announcer stuff is probably where Blizz earns the most anyway. Simple psychology you don't want something if you don't see it, so if it doesn't show you your enemies skins you're not as likely to buy them.
You still see them if you don't enable the option to not show them.
If you dislike skins that much that you enable that option you probably wouldn't buy them anyway.
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skin sales are definitely at risk if you allow people to turn them off which is why no games add that feature.
also, i wonder how much of an effect F2P will have have on sc2. personally, i got the impression that everyone who wanted to try sc2 has already tried it or bought it.. in my circle of friends, people would just gift sc2 if it was a matter of money. i never got that impression that the entry fee was a big blocker for korean pc bang users either
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Strongly agreed with needing the option to disable skins.
And it isn't just that once you have seen something once, you remember it and can react. That's NOT how trained reactions, like those you rely on to play an RTS at reasonable speed, work.
I get very used to seeing roaches-with-claws after many games and build up a whole set of reactions and associations to it that gets triggered quickly. It's not just "okay those can tunnel", there's the practice of repeatedly seeing and understanding exactly what this image means and how to respond. The same goes for judging unit counts. I see a flock of not completely stacked mutas vs my flock and immediately make a call as to whether I have enough to win the fight. Now that dynamic gets broken because mutas with more wingey-spiky protrusions look slightly bigger. That kind of reaction you don't fix or retrain just by seeing the unit once and saying "aah, that is a muta".
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On November 15 2017 23:54 Endymion wrote:
skin sales are definitely at risk if you allow people to turn them off which is why no games add that feature.
also, i wonder how much of an effect F2P will have have on sc2. personally, i got the impression that everyone who wanted to try sc2 has already tried it or bought it.. in my circle of friends, people would just gift sc2 if it was a matter of money. i never got that impression that the entry fee was a big blocker for korean pc bang users either
If you really wanted to play the game sure, but if you wanted to try the core game play (the 1v1 ladder) you couldn't unless you bought it. Which now means everyone can try it and can stick to it if they think it is fun to play 1v1.
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Have alerts always been clickable?
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On November 15 2017 23:54 Endymion wrote:
skin sales are definitely at risk if you allow people to turn them off which is why no games add that feature.
also, i wonder how much of an effect F2P will have have on sc2. personally, i got the impression that everyone who wanted to try sc2 has already tried it or bought it.. in my circle of friends, people would just gift sc2 if it was a matter of money. i never got that impression that the entry fee was a big blocker for korean pc bang users either
I agree that Blizz probably won't add the feature to disable skins for the reason you mentioned but I doubt that in reality it would make a significant difference in skin sales for this game.
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On November 16 2017 00:03 JWD[9] wrote:
Have alerts always been clickable?
There might be a setting to turn that off
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If it's a matter of money, then why isn't there an option to pay to force default skins?
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On November 16 2017 00:14 NonY wrote:
If it's a matter of money, then why isn't there an option to pay to force default skins?
I have a feeling that would upset a lot of people haha
Do it Blizz pls :p
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On November 16 2017 00:14 NonY wrote:
If it's a matter of money, then why isn't there an option to pay to force default skins?
Because then people would complain that others couldn't see their skins.
Skins are a prestige item. (Now I know many don't care about it, me included but there are many people influenced by things like that) And because they are a prestige item, people who use them want to show that to other people which wouldn't work if you could select an option/purchase something so that you couldn't see skins. Which would make the people who buy skins angry. And I think there are way more people who use skins and want to show them to other people than there are people who don't want to see skins (Even if it seems different here).
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I heard they killed the Wol and Hots ladders for this?
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On November 16 2017 00:53 Corvuuss wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2017 00:14 NonY wrote:
If it's a matter of money, then why isn't there an option to pay to force default skins? Because then people would complain that others couldn't see their skins. Skins are a prestige item. (Now I know many don't care about it, me included but there are many people influenced by things like that) And because they are a prestige item, people who use them want to show that to other people which wouldn't work if you could select an option/purchase something so that you couldn't see skins. Which would make the people who buy skins angry. And I think there are way more people who use skins and want to show them to other people than there are people who don't want to see skins (Even if it seems different here).
Again, this is probably why blizzard won't add the option to block skins but I doubt adding it would make a significant difference in sales for this game. In absence of any research done to the subject I can only go by the people I know (who bought the skins) and I'm pretty sure none of them would care if such an option was added. The thing is just that Bizzard probably won't take the risk, however small it is.
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On November 16 2017 00:53 Corvuuss wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2017 00:14 NonY wrote:
If it's a matter of money, then why isn't there an option to pay to force default skins? Because then people would complain that others couldn't see their skins. Skins are a prestige item. (Now I know many don't care about it, me included but there are many people influenced by things like that) And because they are a prestige item, people who use them want to show that to other people which wouldn't work if you could select an option/purchase something so that you couldn't see skins. Which would make the people who buy skins angry. And I think there are way more people who use skins and want to show them to other people than there are people who don't want to see skins (Even if it seems different here).
But people are currently complaining that they CAN see the skins. You've got people angry either way except right now, the people with skins have all the power. I get that they paid for it so they deserve it. So I'm suggesting people without skins can pay to be on equal footing. If some people want to show their skins and other people don't want to see them, there is no way to satisfy everyone. So the idea is to at least make it fair. They buy skins and can set the skins for their own units and for my units. They experience the game how they want. I buy the option to control my opponents' skins for my eyes only. I experience the game how I want. I assume that they currently don't have the ability to let different players see different skins in the same game, so the money I'd be paying would be going toward that development.
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On November 15 2017 22:06 Ysellian wrote:
@Nony: No that was just the final nail in the coffin. Battlefront 2 also has damage and ability buffs in crates.
Anyway Blizzard should allow you to disable skins in SC2, don't see much reason why they wouldn't. I think the announcer stuff is probably where Blizz earns the most anyway.
Because part of the F2P model is the ability to peacock all your cool shit. If a good chunk of the community cant see it, whales are not inclined to spend. There's a reason why no other major game offers such an option.
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On November 16 2017 01:40 lestye wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2017 22:06 Ysellian wrote:
@Nony: No that was just the final nail in the coffin. Battlefront 2 also has damage and ability buffs in crates.
Anyway Blizzard should allow you to disable skins in SC2, don't see much reason why they wouldn't. I think the announcer stuff is probably where Blizz earns the most anyway. Because part of the F2P model is the ability to peacock all your cool shit. If a good chunk of the community cant see it, whales are not inclined to spend. There's a reason why no other major game offers such an option.
If the game needed to compromise on competition to stay alive then it'd hardly be the starcraft that everyone around here loves any more.
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On November 16 2017 01:45 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2017 01:40 lestye wrote:On November 15 2017 22:06 Ysellian wrote:
@Nony: No that was just the final nail in the coffin. Battlefront 2 also has damage and ability buffs in crates.
Anyway Blizzard should allow you to disable skins in SC2, don't see much reason why they wouldn't. I think the announcer stuff is probably where Blizz earns the most anyway. Because part of the F2P model is the ability to peacock all your cool shit. If a good chunk of the community cant see it, whales are not inclined to spend. There's a reason why no other major game offers such an option. If the game needed to compromise on competition to stay alive then it'd hardly be the starcraft that everyone around here loves any more.
It's not compromising based on the competition, I'm pointing at the competition to show a common theme, I guarantee all of them know disabling skins completely betrays the point of the business model. I'm confident they're not going to change it.
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