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Elentos
55553 Posts
On January 28 2017 06:14 insitelol wrote: Nah u got it all wrong, these are terrans. They spam marines through reactors, call that skill and dont bother protecting their mineral lines. I feel like you should follow the advice from your sig before mods decide you crossed the line  | ||
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Lexender
Mexico2650 Posts
On January 28 2017 06:10 aeonsies wrote: In what world should a 75/25 unit one shot a 150/150 unit, this should have never been a thing. WM rarely get to be that effective, they only have 5 range, are stationary while charged and have a very clear visual indicator of where it is and what its shoting, WM mostly where good for holding ground but they where never capable of defending On January 28 2017 06:10 aeonsies wrote: Also I'm sorry Oracles can wreck mineral lines if you don't move them or defend against them (which Terran has multiple units to do this). Would you like to trade places where a single unseen WM wrecks 5-7 workers in the blink of an eye with no warning? You mean like an oracle does right now? With the exception you can't run away from them, if they catch you with your pants down you are as good as dead. Also WM splash is nowhere big enough to kill that many workers, 3-4 max, unless the player has good reaction and map awareness where it becomes 0 because you can bait the shot into a geyser. | ||
Ferisii
Denmark199 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16787 Posts
On January 28 2017 06:08 ArtyK wrote: Avilo being the main source of reliable feedback, gotcha shortly after LotV came out Avilo went on this rant about how LotV Terran resulted in far too many all-air compositions by mid-late and late game. I had a similar experience. The core complaint Avilo had ... i basically agreed. Avilo then went on screaming for super granular changes he demanded in many, many rants since then. I kept my requests general because i don't think my level of play justifies ultra-specific instruction. Basically, I said , "weaken terran Air". "Strengthen Terran Ground" and if possible strengthen the Siege Tank. In the past year i've basically received what i asked for. Its fascinating that Avilo and I shared a similar game play experience and I'm happy with how Blizzard has changed Terran while Avilo is still throwing Headsets against his wall and assassinating the character of Blizzard employees. there are a few things since LotV has come out that has not happened. Like the idea of Medivac Pickups on Sieged up Tanks and Thors not being Boostable. I realize there is a giant community out there with substantial cultural//sociology differences so I don't smash my bunk bed to pieces when some of my requests go unanswered. | ||
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PtitDrogo
France163 Posts
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Elentos
55553 Posts
On January 28 2017 06:19 Ferisii wrote: ... What have they done to my Cactus!? T_T I figure to remove that liberator spot they mostly have 2 options - remove the cliffs behind the bases and make the area pathable or move the mineral line forward. | ||
NonY
8750 Posts
On January 28 2017 06:01 LHK wrote: this is really important to understand and thanks for writing it out. I just worry that it's not enough, that terran will end up just making 2 or 3 more mines to compensate. They're so cheap, there's no reason not to make them in TvP right now and very little risk of being punished if you lose them. well i think you cannot begin to hypothesize the effects of the widow mine change without having some imagination about the the liberator change. the liberator change will encourage protoss to do builds that would not normally trigger a terran to produce many mines. specifically, i think we'll colossus more often since protoss will become less afraid to invest so much gas into something that doesn't deal with liberators at all. terran can open with mines for harass and early game, but as colossus come out, they'd definitely rather stop mine production completely rather than make a few extra. | ||
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ArtyK
France3143 Posts
On January 28 2017 06:21 JimmyJRaynor wrote: shortly after LotV came out Avilo went on this rant about how LotV Terran resulted in far too many air wars. I had a similar experience. The core complaint Avilo had ... i basically agreed. Avilo then went on screaming for super granular changes he demanded in many, many rants since then. I kept my requests general because i don't think my level of play justifies ultra-specific instruction. Basically, I said , "weaken terran Air". "Strengthen Terran Ground" and if possible strengthen the Siege Tank. In the past year i've basically received what i asked for. Its fascinating that Avilo and I shared a similar game play experience and I'm happy with how Blizzard has changed Terran while Avilo is still throwing Headsets against his wall and assassinating the character of Blizzard employees. there are a few things since LotV has come out that has not happened. Like the idea of Medivac Pickups on Sieged up Tanks and Thors not being Boostable. I realize there is a giant community out there with substantial cultural sociology differences so I don't smash my bunk bed to pieces when some of my requests go unanswered. Avilo is capable of giving objective feedback sometimes for sure, but theres a ton of people who do that too, without having such a stupid attitude | ||
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Elentos
55553 Posts
On January 28 2017 06:22 PtitDrogo wrote: If they REALLY wanna make it so that widow mine doesn't one shot an oracle, they're going to have to increase the AA of the cyclone by a lot, otherwise stargate play will be super ridiculous We'll just counter you with a 2-base thor play.  | ||
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ArtyK
France3143 Posts
On January 28 2017 06:24 Elentos wrote: We'll just counter you with a 2-base thor play. Or 1 liberator :D | ||
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Elentos
55553 Posts
No it has to be thor, he hardcounters the phoenicians. | ||
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Lexender
Mexico2650 Posts
lol I really want to see someone trying to stop oracles with liberators, all the minerals lines would be death and the oracles would still wont have taken any hull damage. | ||
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ArtyK
France3143 Posts
On January 28 2017 06:26 Lexender wrote: lol I really want to see someone trying to stop oracles with liberators, all the minerals lines would be death and the oracles would still wont have taken any hull damage. it was a joke about Drogo constantly throwing games by blinking into lib zones | ||
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MiCroLiFe
Norway266 Posts
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Elentos
55553 Posts
On January 28 2017 06:29 MiCroLiFe wrote: nercio rapes the best korean terrans In which universe though? | ||
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Zulu23
Germany132 Posts
I agree that the Liberator is maybe too strong against stalkers in a Gateway based Army. But everytime Liberators see a pack of hydras they evaporate. My conclusion would be that if the damage of Liberators is reduced there shall be added something else that Improves the surviveability. To kill a pack of stalkers or hydras, Liberators need much more time if they need another shot, leading to a huge increase in damage output of stalkers. Liberators shall get compensated for this. I argue for balance on a fight centric view rather than on straight damage figures. With less damage and more health the pace of the Fight for both Players might be slowed down and making it ultimately more Micro Oriented and less sensitive for Minor balance issues, and thus making the game more fun to play and to watch | ||
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JackONeill
861 Posts
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ArtyK
France3143 Posts
in a world where a 10 hp hydra buff affects high level tvz :> | ||
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Soke
United States790 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16787 Posts
On January 28 2017 06:24 ArtyK wrote: Avilo is capable of giving objective feedback sometimes for sure, but theres a ton of people who do that too, without having such a stupid attitude because he is north american and jumped from Red Alert 3 to SC2 ( like me ) i prolly listen to the guy more than i should. | ||
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