EPTBut why not buff protoss instead of nerfing terran
Especially they decided to buff hydra anyway
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Yiome
China1687 Posts
But why not buff protoss instead of nerfing terran Especially they decided to buff hydra anyway | ||
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hiroshOne
Poland425 Posts
On January 30 2017 03:46 Yiome wrote: Probably an opinion that sounds like a broken record now... But why not buff protoss instead of nerfing terran Especially they decided to buff hydra anyway Because it would brake ZvP for Zerg and next update they would have to buff Zerg that would brake other things... They don't adress SH because SH is like the only option for Zerg to counter turtle mech. If they remive SH from the equasion, Zerg is dead because every pro Terran plays mech and we're back in HOTS with mech OP era. Must i remmind u that they adressed mech problems with Viper nerf? Man...i just have enough of your whine. Once and for all- mech is just AN OPTION for Terran. It can work miracle. If Zerg don' scout it early its almost free win for Terran. It can work either as AN OPTIO. Stop bitching about mech as it was 4th race. | ||
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Tyrhanius
France947 Posts
On January 30 2017 03:08 imre wrote: Funny how blizz spent 2 months speaking about making mech viable but we don't hear from them now that it's even worse than before the patch. And way worse btw, mech was getting quite common vZ. It's funny to always hear Terrans whining while they're are overperforming.... They always act like : I've selected Terran, i'm the best player, if I lose it's 100% balance fault because "I'm the best, I play Terran" And the situation is quite stupid, it's like if Zerg during Infestor/Broodlords area were crying for Roach/Hydra to be as strong as broodlords infestor... Mech isn't as strong as bio, but still if you want, you can be GM with it... So yeah, it's viable. And for non T player, Playing vs mech isn't entertaining at all, you never have fun when T decides to play mech... Honestly, nearly anyone wants to leave the game, and stays only to keep their ladder points... Even Terran complains about it in TvT... And never heard any propositions to make it something else than the "Camp, get deathball, win", it's just about : "Well i camp really hard, but it's not really an invincible deathball, X and Z can counter it" : - Plz make them useless, so i could a move to victory after having camped... | ||
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Comedy
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imre
France9263 Posts
On January 30 2017 03:58 Tyrhanius wrote: It's funny to always hear Terrans whining while they're are overperforming.... They always act like : I've selected Terran, i'm the best player, if I lose it's 100% balance fault because "I'm the best, I play Terran" And the situation is quite stupid, it's like if Zerg during Infestor/Broodlords area were crying for Roach/Hydra to be as strong as broodlords infestor... Mech isn't as strong as bio, but still if you want, you can be GM with it... So yeah, it's viable. And for non T player, Playing vs mech isn't entertaining at all, you never have fun when T decides to play mech... Honestly, nearly anyone wants to leave the game, and stays only to keep their ladder points... Even Terran complains about it in TvT... And never heard any propositions to make it something else than the "Camp, get deathball, win", it's just about : "Well i camp really hard, but it's not really an invincible deathball, X and Z can counter it" : - Plz make them useless, so i could a move to victory after having camped... Nice bullshit that doesn't address my point. Expected considering your post history. | ||
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MiCroLiFe
Norway264 Posts
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Tyrhanius
France947 Posts
On January 30 2017 07:15 imre wrote: Nice bullshit that doesn't address my point. Expected considering your post history. If you can't play mech while the tank crush all the ground, the cyclon all the armored, the banshee escape mutas, and skyterran ruling the late game vs Z, while viper/broodlords got nerfed, well it's no point buffing mech any more : "Mech will never be not viable" according to Terran old caster... | ||
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franzji
United States581 Posts
On January 28 2017 07:53 sneakyfox wrote: This week we've had Zest 3-0 ByuN, Stats 2-1 ByuN, Trap 2-0 Maru and Patience going 5-6 against Innovation. It seems these Protoss players are figuring it out. Seems unecessary to nerf Liberators. Let the players figure it out, let the game evolve so we get to see something new. A few select wins and loses don't prove a point that they are "figuring it out", not to mention Byun has not played well and even lost to Ryung in gsl. I can make my own case looking at GSL. Trap got out of his group of gsl only beating zergs, losing to TY. Zest is outl. Classic had an easy group. HerO made it out by losing 2-0 to maru and playing a PvP twice. SoS played no terrans. I think Stats and Classic are the only protoss's to win a PvT series in this GSL ro32, so that's saying something. Patience didn't even make it into GSL. | ||
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MiCroLiFe
Norway264 Posts
tvz 47% and yet they nerf lib and now mine and buff hydra? | ||
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InfCereal
Canada1759 Posts
It's literally nothing. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On January 31 2017 03:57 MiCroLiFe wrote: http://aligulac.com/misc/balance/ tvz 47% and yet they nerf lib and now mine and buff hydra? Those numbers are from last year, you can check the most recent numbers here http://aligulac.com/periods/latest/ TvZ is at 53,28%. Not that I think Aligulac matters all that much, but since you brought it up... Anyway, the widow mine nerf is to shield damage and would not matter outside of TvP and if TvZ has a problem, it's definitely not Hydras. If this buff would actually mean we would finally get to see some hydras vs Terran, that would be a really good change, but I doubt it. | ||
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parkufarku
882 Posts
On January 30 2017 15:37 MiCroLiFe wrote: its funny how tvz is 47% on aligulac, before the lib nerf. It's been said over and over again that aligulac can't be trusted TvZ is one-sided for T. They rightfully got the widow mine and lib nerfs, but those aren't enough. Siege tank damage needs to come down as well. | ||
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90ti
United States100 Posts
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hiroshOne
Poland425 Posts
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Ignorant prodigy
United States385 Posts
terrans have to get turrets to defend vs oracles and protoss has to get detection to defend vs widow mines. seems fair to me. | ||
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SwiftRH
United States105 Posts
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bObA
France300 Posts
Terran has to adapt for months before getting a little nerf of mother ship core, adepts, stalkers etc etc... and now terran can win a bit again they nerf... Innovation Maru TY were losing all thje time vs Zest, Classic and Stats only Byun could win sometimes. But that will be over soon.................................................................................................................. | ||
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ihatevideogames
570 Posts
On January 31 2017 20:00 bObA wrote: I do not understand why they want to nert Liberator and widow mines when Protoss players won vs terran lately in GSL and other tournaments. Terran has to adapt for months before getting a little nerf of mother ship core, adepts, stalkers etc etc... and now terran can win a bit again they nerf... Innovation Maru TY were losing all thje time vs Zest, Classic and Stats only Byun could win sometimes. But that will be over soon.................................................................................................................. Terran always has to 'figure it out' or 'wait for the meta to settle' when they're losing to other races. Remember Adepts? Remember 8 armor Ultras? These things were in the game for months. But when Terran is winning alot, it's nerfhammer in a week. Remember how the balance team killed Skyterran in 2 weeks? Even though noone made Vipers against it? Where was the 'time to figure it out' back then? | ||
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JoFar
31 Posts
terrans have to get turrets to defend vs oracles and protoss has to get detection to defend vs widow mines. seems fair to me. Well, you can argue, that a single well placed wm shots down oracle harass completely by killing it with a single shot ... while protoss needs a lot more units (ressources) in place (or has to pull workers). But that's not the real issue anyways. WM drops can be strong and game ending if toss doesn't defend well, but that can be said for nearly every form of worker harass. Problem with wm is not the agressive/cheesy worker-harass option ... it's just too ridiculous good in standard/ viable army composition too. 5 or 6 widow mines can shut down half an toss gateway army by themselfes, the bio behind them can just sit down and watch. Show me how 5 or 6 oracles can achieve this amount of damage against a MMM terran army and we can discuss. (even besides the point oracles are much more expensive then a wm) ^^ It's just a too strong too early too heavy splash damage unit. And it costs close to nothing ... i wonder what terrans (or zerg ... or even protoss) would say, if the cost of the oracle would be reduced to 75/25 ... | ||
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PinoKotsBeer
Netherlands1385 Posts
On January 31 2017 20:09 ihatevideogames wrote: Terran always has to 'figure it out' or 'wait for the meta to settle' when they're losing to other races. Remember Adepts? Remember 8 armor Ultras? These things were in the game for months. But when Terran is winning alot, it's nerfhammer in a week. Remember how the balance team killed Skyterran in 2 weeks? Even though noone made Vipers against it? Where was the 'time to figure it out' back then? I fully agree with your comment. Also the "new" cyclone got nerfed before release, but than reverted because its was beyond trash. | ||
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