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Shinokuki
United States928 Posts
On September 06 2016 01:32 Thouhastmail wrote: we already had a bout about that too. https://www.fishbattle.io/ 6927 players (including adbots), 1397 games. that doesn't say anything about fish server players. Its 2am in korea monday. It's more like 15-20k | ||
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
On September 06 2016 01:36 Shinokuki wrote: that doesn't say anything about fish server players. Its 2am in korea monday. It's more like 15-20k I didn`t say anything about it; BW has concrete 3% share and that`s it. My stance is always same: I do not think the current state of SC2 is good. (nor like LotV. check my threads) However, bashing SC2 through fantasising BW in 2016 is ridiculous. I`m the one who have seen great BW games since Thrunet supported this scene; but this is just ridiculous. | ||
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
On September 06 2016 01:50 Thouhastmail wrote: I didn`t say anything about it; BW has concrete 3% share and that`s it. My stance is always same: I do not think the current state of SC2 is good. (nor like LotV. check my threads) However, bashing SC2 through fantasising BW in 2016 is ridiculous. I`m the one who have seen BW's great games since Thrunet supported this scene, but this is just ridiculous. Dont get mad because SC2 didnt have success in Korea at all, just enjoy the foreign scene, it will have more longevity for sure. | ||
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
On September 06 2016 02:08 palexhur wrote: Dont get mad because SC2 didnt have success in Korea at all, just enjoy the foreign scene, it will have more longevity for sure. I`m not mad because SC2 didn't become popular; deserves it. I`m mad at SC2 developers that ignored players' voice. | ||
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nighcol
298 Posts
On September 06 2016 01:50 Thouhastmail wrote: I didn`t say anything about it; BW has concrete 3% share and that`s it. My stance is always same: I do not think the current state of SC2 is good. (nor like LotV. check my threads) However, bashing SC2 through fantasising BW in 2016 is ridiculous. I`m the one who have seen great BW games since Thrunet supported this scene; but this is just ridiculous. Well said . There certainly are a few of these overly optimistic people around, I think the most likely result of SC2 proleague ending would be simply no proleague or KeSPA presence in either Starcraft title. I'd love to be proven wrong by BW returning to it's former glory and surpassing the likes of LoL of course, I'm just not holding my breath because nothing seems to support that idea. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On September 06 2016 01:50 Thouhastmail wrote: I didn`t say anything about it; BW has concrete 3% share and that`s it. My stance is always same: I do not think the current state of SC2 is good. (nor like LotV. check my threads) However, bashing SC2 through fantasising BW in 2016 is ridiculous. I`m the one who have seen great BW games since Thrunet supported this scene; but this is just ridiculous. This is only about pc bang stats though, no? I get that pc bangs are a big deal in korea, but i would imagine that a lot of players play at home as well, no? Especially 1vs1 games. I mean if we look at pc bangs fifa online is kinda big, is the interest in fifa online esports really bigger than for bw/sc2 for example? How relevant are pc bang stats in the grand scheme of things in 2016? These stats get posted over and over again, but is it really the most important stat you can bring up these days when talking about esports/general popularity. I wonder | ||
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Shinokuki
United States928 Posts
On September 06 2016 02:24 The_Red_Viper wrote: This is only about pc bang stats though, no? I get that pc bangs are a big deal in korea, but i would imagine that a lot of players play at home as well, no? Especially 1vs1 games. I mean if we look at pc bangs fifa online is kinda big, is the interest in fifa online esports really bigger than for bw/sc2 for example? How relevant are pc bang stats in the grand scheme of things in 2016? These stats get posted over and over again, but is it really the most important stat you can bring up these days when talking about esports/general popularity. I wonder pretty true. I mean boxer went to korean "white house" to meet the president back in 2002. There are millions of old bw fans with their wives and jobs. What would happen if blizzard really advertised and pushed forward bw HD remaster. Won't it spike a lot of interest? BW can get at least a small scene. How was it that completely irrelevant sc2 had a scene since 2014? lol | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
 I am just curious if these pc bang stats are the be-all and end-all in the year 2016 | ||
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
On September 06 2016 02:39 The_Red_Viper wrote: I don't really care for this post tbh I am just curious if these pc bang stats are the be-all and end-all in the year 2016 reciprocal. the interest in fifa online esports is not bad, with decent main sponsor like Adidas. (most audience are there because of in-game giveaways tho) SC2 is exceptional, because it is an heir to BW's esports system and super pro-scene. Anyway, SC2's pro scene is bigger than that of fifa online. Otherwise, it is relative to PC bang stats. On you question, I do not know the reason but every media use PC bang stats as a measure of game's popularity. No one quotes counting that includes 'house-gamers'. | ||
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nighcol
298 Posts
PC bang stats might be biased towards overrepresenting younger gamers I guess, only someone who knows the PC bang demographics can say for sure though. Gaming still has a fairly young following though and people seem to move on to newer titles really quickly which is sad for esports so it may not be too far off even if that's the case. | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On September 06 2016 02:33 Shinokuki wrote: pretty true. I mean boxer went to korean "white house" to meet the president back in 2002. There are millions of old bw fans with their wives and jobs. What would happen if blizzard really advertised and pushed forward bw HD remaster. Won't it spike a lot of interest? BW can get at least a small scene. How was it that completely irrelevant sc2 had a scene since 2014? lol "Jobs" and "Marriage" are both things that work extremely against someone's willingness to play or pay towards a new videogame. Developers have been trying to advertise towards these people for ages. Candy Crush & co have the best results. | ||
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
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Arceus
Vietnam8333 Posts
LotV isn't even 1 year old yet and the outlook already looks grim. I blame developers who didnt take their chance to revive Sc2 | ||
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PharaphobiaSC
Czech Republic457 Posts
There is noone from Blizzard to blame... the amout of negativity overwhelm TL, Reedit, Blizzard forums, it's not even worth it for new players to come when they come and see all the negativity  Source for Qcon: QuakeWorld 2v2 finals Source for Qcon: Quake Live finals Btw look.. they even reskin one of the maps to fit the intel, while players can actually turn it off ingame.. How hard is do that in SC2? This might attract some sponsors in. And DON'T even talk about the viewership, u can hardly see quake anywhere on twitch or youtube The point is that there is still strong passioned scene around the quake, meanwhile in SC2 there is none (and quake is older than SC2, hell even QW is older than BW) | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
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BroskiDerpman
58 Posts
 Hopefully there will at least be a BW proleague. | ||
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PharaphobiaSC
Czech Republic457 Posts
On September 06 2016 13:09 eviltomahawk wrote: They've actually used sponsor decals in SC2 tournaments before, like this Hot6ix logo. used why is it in the past than? I mean look at that Intel Version of the map that used to be from bricks and lava  | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On September 06 2016 11:16 Arceus wrote: The sad thing is that potential sponsors would probably shake their head at Sc2 after watching that kind of grandfinal. LotV isn't even 1 year old yet and the outlook already looks grim. I blame developers who didnt take their chance to revive Sc2 It's a good thing that the quality of the final doesn't determine sponsorships then, or ESPORTS in general would have a lot of problems. | ||
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Wrath
3176 Posts
On September 06 2016 17:55 Ansibled wrote: It's a good thing that the quality of the final doesn't determine sponsorships then, or ESPORTS in general would have a lot of problems. I think he meant the quality of the finals as the viewers numbers not quality of games. Finals are where the viewers spike. | ||
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nighcol
298 Posts
On September 06 2016 11:46 PharaphobiaSC wrote: The point is that there is still strong passioned scene around the quake, meanwhile in SC2 there is none (and quake is older than SC2, hell even QW is older than BW) Not sure I understand... How exactly are you measuring the scene to arrive at quake scene being strong and SC2 not? There are people passionate about Quake but there aren't many of them around which is why there is no real pro scene left for QL, there's just Quakecon and even that's dependent on what Zenimax *shudder* thinks is best nowadays... | ||
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