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insitelol
Profile Joined August 2012
845 Posts
September 08 2016 08:46 GMT
#281
On September 08 2016 12:21 The_Red_Viper wrote:
So yeah without sc2 proleague i doubt there will be a reason for kespa teams to sponsor teams, which means no korean sc2 in the long run.

W/e happens it doesnt feel wrong for me for some reason. I'd even say i would like "everything" to settle down eventually. Something's clearly not right here. I mean, its obvious that SC2 situation in korea is far from being healthy (comparing to other esport, bw comparison aside). If SC2PL must come to an end, so be it. I would really like to see SC2 living it's own life w/o artificial blizzard support.
Less is more.
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-08 15:29:44
September 08 2016 15:25 GMT
#282
I love Proleague.

Each round, you could see in a short time frame so many world's best players with their different strategies, micros, macros, cheeses, all the story lines of each team match with surprises, upsets, one sided victories ... You could have become a fan of a team and then live through with its victories and losses ... Each Proleague round, each Proleague match, you could see a lot. For me, Proleague was much more entertaining than e.g. GSL, SSL or any WCS tournament. As you could see so much in one place. Mixed together.

In 2015, I was so hyped for the Proleague finals, I was trying to attract some friends to watch it ... wrote extensive summaries about SC2, about the competitive scene, about Proleague, the two finalists ... Nobody was interested ... They liked HearthStone ... I gave up ... This year, hyped again, I came 10 minutes late and saw ONLY 6500 viewers on Twitch. Ten minutes after the beginning of Proleague finals! How sad ... This must be the end ...

The mediocre results of SKT seemed to me to be some kind of "when they were told, there would be no next year for their team, they stopped training ... giving any effort ... When CJ had only 4 players and did not want to hire any new player, that was another sign ... Then they hired MC, which was a simple solution for them as they knew, he will not mind playing just for one more year ... last year ... True was the smart one when he gave up his GSL spot ... It was not for WCS, it was for the future ... Jin Air coach crying after the finals ... How sad ...

I am just interested in - what will they do? All the SC2 players, when their teams will disband ... No money ... fewer competitions ... It will be interesting to observe it, but very, very sad ...
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
September 08 2016 16:55 GMT
#283
WCS Clown Fiesta ravaged the Korean scene. Even less exposure and fewer chances of winning. This looks like Proleague setting itself up for a closure announcement, and WCS is to blame. If Western audience is forced to lose the best chance to connect with Koreans, interest in Korean leagues goes down (Faceless Korean?), this is a logical result.

It's disgraceful.
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16008 Posts
September 08 2016 17:48 GMT
#284
On September 09 2016 01:55 SC2Toastie wrote:
WCS Clown Fiesta ravaged the Korean scene. Even less exposure and fewer chances of winning. This looks like Proleague setting itself up for a closure announcement, and WCS is to blame. If Western audience is forced to lose the best chance to connect with Koreans, interest in Korean leagues goes down (Faceless Korean?), this is a logical result.

It's disgraceful.

korean sponsors don't care about foreign viewers.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
art_of_turtle
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
United States1202 Posts
September 08 2016 18:55 GMT
#285
On September 03 2016 23:54 brickrd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2016 23:45 Akara12345 wrote:
It's about time. Maybe Brood War will replace it?

itll be interesting if BW makes a comeback. i have no interest in watching it personally, but it would probably create hype that would draw a lot of people in. the problem as i see it is that the BW fanbase would be eating itself inside out - there's almost no chance of drawing in viewers who weren't either around for BW or simply curious enough because of SC2, and that's a limited base. SC2 is fighting a losing battle against other esports, but it at least had its own modern appeal. no one from the current generation is going to want to sit down and watch a game that looks like BW unless the HD remaster is mindblowing

cue a thousand insane BW acolytes telling me how it's the greatest game ever and even in 500 years people will appreciate its beauty, but i'm talking about reality

someone say Insane BW Acolytes?
Flash should fear Sacsri
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
September 08 2016 19:46 GMT
#286
On September 09 2016 03:55 art_of_turtle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2016 23:54 brickrd wrote:
On September 03 2016 23:45 Akara12345 wrote:
It's about time. Maybe Brood War will replace it?

itll be interesting if BW makes a comeback. i have no interest in watching it personally, but it would probably create hype that would draw a lot of people in. the problem as i see it is that the BW fanbase would be eating itself inside out - there's almost no chance of drawing in viewers who weren't either around for BW or simply curious enough because of SC2, and that's a limited base. SC2 is fighting a losing battle against other esports, but it at least had its own modern appeal. no one from the current generation is going to want to sit down and watch a game that looks like BW unless the HD remaster is mindblowing

cue a thousand insane BW acolytes telling me how it's the greatest game ever and even in 500 years people will appreciate its beauty, but i'm talking about reality

someone say Insane BW Acolytes?


They are BW zealots
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
bduddy
Profile Joined May 2012
United States1326 Posts
September 08 2016 21:04 GMT
#287
On September 08 2016 17:46 insitelol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2016 12:21 The_Red_Viper wrote:
So yeah without sc2 proleague i doubt there will be a reason for kespa teams to sponsor teams, which means no korean sc2 in the long run.

W/e happens it doesnt feel wrong for me for some reason. I'd even say i would like "everything" to settle down eventually. Something's clearly not right here. I mean, its obvious that SC2 situation in korea is far from being healthy (comparing to other esport, bw comparison aside). If SC2PL must come to an end, so be it. I would really like to see SC2 living it's own life w/o artificial blizzard support.
Everyone uses "artificial support". E-sports in 2016 in the vast majority of cases is marketing, paid for by the developers/publishers. The sooner people start seeing this as wrong somehow, the better.
>Liquid'Nazgul: Of course you are completely right
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