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On September 05 2016 05:00 palexhur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2016 04:51 KeksX wrote:On September 05 2016 04:28 palexhur wrote:On September 05 2016 04:19 KeksX wrote:On September 05 2016 04:17 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 05 2016 04:15 KeksX wrote:
Blizzard is not making money off of korea's BW scene. Why would they invest into that? Why wouldn't they. Blizzard is a company. Or to be more clear: They can't afford to just throw money into a bottomless pit. Something has to come out of it. And the chance to get something out of SC2 is much higher. How is the chance higher in Korea to throw money in SC2, a game that has barely any fans and viewers there? what you say makes not sense at all, It wasnt and wont be never close in numbers to the fans and viewers that BW can bring , and one more thing: BW HD. For BW, Blizzard isn't getting any money out of that in Korea. Koreans don't pay money in BW and global fans definitely exist, but on custom servers and also in lower numbers. So the benefit of investing into korean BW is really just "catering to already existing fans" which I can definitely see Blizzard doing, but not to such an extent as to basically kill their game that actually makes them money. For SC2, Blizzard is seeing money from people being hooked both in Korea and globally. And when they do something in Korea, they also have a "global market" that consumes that, not only koreans. They're even setting up microtransactions so that they will benefit even more from those in the long run... On September 05 2016 04:35 xuanzue wrote:
not like putting to work BW HD demands much money, I mean there are maps in the arcade years ago with that.
The amount of work people expect Blizzard to put into the game definitely demands a lot of money. Starts with finding someone that can work with BW's legacy code, goes over to updating it to modern standards and ends with sealing it against hackers. Microsoft to make the new xpac HD remake of Age of Empires even hired a group of community developers, so in fact it doesnt demand a lot of money, wrong again.
It took two development studios to get AoE2:HD going. Just because they hired off of the community doesn't mean it doesn't cost any money to develop.
Anyway, lets assume Microsoft already went with a cheap route - do you think that will be enough to get going what people hope for BW:HD?
Also, AoE2:HD is a completely different situation with it being released on Steam and the devs working very closely with the community as you said. Something Blizzard isn't really known for.
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May as well rename this thread at this point.
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Also, AoE2:HD is a completely different situation with it being released on Steam and the devs working very closely with the community as you said. Something Blizzard isn't really known for.
AoE devs working close to the community? in what alternative reality am I?
I had less lag playing with a 56k modem 16 years ago than the lag there is now in aoe HD. microsoft released it to grab some money from a lot of nostalgia guys.
Also by the things the Koreans had said BW HD will be more like a SC2 with BW units. The thing blizzard probably wants is numbers, just like valve and riot have many numbers to maintain their esports scene-
A new BW with old sprites for 640x480 will not bring many number
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On September 05 2016 05:44 xuanzue wrote:Show nested quote +Also, AoE2:HD is a completely different situation with it being released on Steam and the devs working very closely with the community as you said. Something Blizzard isn't really known for. AoE devs working close to the community? in what alternative reality am I? I had less lag playing with a 56k modem 16 years ago than the lag there is now in aoe HD. microsoft released it to grab some money from a lot of nostalgia guys. Also by the things the Koreans had said BW HD will be more like a SC2 with BW units. The thing blizzard probably wants is numbers, just like valve and riot have many numbers to maintain their esports scene- A new BW with old sprites for 640x480 will not bring many number
Where are the rumors that BW HD is more like SC2 with BW units?
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36996 Posts
TL is not reddit, it is not 4Chan, it is not just some random internet forum. Pleas stop using YouTube videos in a humorous intent to get your point across.
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Yeah Xuanzue I think you might be reading too much in that statement 
I wouldn't mind better graphics for the remaster as long as it plays exactly like BW without any changes and what not other then graphics.
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On September 05 2016 06:25 Seeker wrote:
TL is not reddit, it is not 4Chan, it is not just some random internet forum. Pleas stop using YouTube videos in a humorous intent to get your point across.
Yeah because no one on TL ever posts a funny pic/youtube video to lighten up a discussion. I didn't use it to get my point across, I used it to complete my sentence.
But alright, I'll stop.
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36996 Posts
On September 05 2016 06:33 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2016 06:25 Seeker wrote:
TL is not reddit, it is not 4Chan, it is not just some random internet forum. Pleas stop using YouTube videos in a humorous intent to get your point across. Yeah because no one on TL ever posts a funny pic/youtube video to lighten up a discussion. I didn't use it to get my point across, I used it to complete my sentence. But alright, I'll stop.
If we've missed something, then feel free to report it. We'll take care of it.
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It's stupid, but I report youtube posts just because people report my posts when I have a youtube link. It's a shame teamliquid has this policy because it's sometimes used in a nice way.
On topic:
I think these PL messages are so vague that not much could be concluded. Some people have turned this into BW vs SC2 and even fantasied it's going to lead to BW PL. While it could happen, there isn't enough information that it will.
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Let's say there is no sc2 proleague anymore, is there even any motivation for KT, SKT, etc to sponsor teams?
Sure there still might be GSL/SSL but is that really enough? :/
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On September 05 2016 12:35 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Let's say there is no sc2 proleague anymore, is there even any motivation for KT, SKT, etc to sponsor teams?
Sure there still might be GSL/SSL but is that really enough? :/
I doubt it.
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On September 05 2016 06:43 Shield wrote:
It's stupid, but I report youtube posts just because people report my posts when I have a youtube link. It's a shame teamliquid has this policy because it's sometimes used in a nice way.
On topic:
I think these PL messages are so vague that not much could be concluded. Some people have turned this into BW vs SC2 and even fantasied it's going to lead to BW PL. While it could happen, there isn't enough information that it will.
Love thy neighbor as thyself. Never submit petition that comes from no harm. Our overlords and their policies are silly.
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Yeah, why the heck don't we have a BW vs SC2 megathread to hold all the gold? TF TL?
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Why are so many people asking for a BW vs SC2 megathread? It's not like you wanna have an honest discussion, all you wanna do is bash the other game and be assholes to their fans without getting banned...
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On September 05 2016 13:14 Silvana wrote:
Why are so many people asking for a BW vs SC2 megathread? It's not like you wanna have an honest discussion, all you wanna do is bash the other game and be assholes to their fans without getting banned...
With the mega thread:
- Eliminate any discussion outside the forum by redirecting them there (The ultimate toilet)
- have giggles from reading the posts there.
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Hoping the rumored return of Brood War proleague is true. I dunno who was saying no one watches the ASL earlier in the thread but they get a hell of a lot more people than SC2 tourneys there from what I've seen. stay bitter m8
Blizz would have interest in helping the scene as well with BW HD announced.
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On September 04 2016 17:23 WinterViewbot420 wrote:
Fuck it my collarbone is broken and I can't afford surgery or pain pills, I'll write this shit.
I'm glad you guys are seeing the end of your game because as a member of the BW community I can't go anywhere without being called a BW elitist, or a BW sucker, or some other offensive term that says I'm supporting a dead game. David Kim is nice but he's the worst balance designer I've ever seen and the game's fucked up at such a low level there's no fixing it without an absolute overhaul, which after six years and two expansions will never happen. I can't say a thing bad about SC2 on the StarCraft subreddit or the SC2 part of TL without having people shit on me. I stopped trying to talk about it here and Reddit just loves to hate on BW as if it's a SC2-only subreddit. SC2 is dying because David Kim is an idiot and instead of taking it into your own hands and breaking the EULA just like Fish, iCCup, Brain, Netcraft, Amazon, or any other Brood War server you guys kept taking it up the ass, while complaining about having to take it up the ass then doing nothing about it. You waited for Blizzard to do something.
I know not everybody is like this and I truly do wish the best of luck for StarCraft II as a game, but as a community you guys are some of the most entitled, elitist, and laziest people I've ever had the distaste of seeing and being a part of. You guys don't even let people talk about other games as if it's a sin to play anything but SC2, even if it's fucking Mario or some shit.
User was banned for this post.
I mean this is what most broodwar players think but wouldn't say out loud because of fear of getting banned on the only english speaking BW forum there is.
However we now have to post these things in a passive-aggressive manner.
I wish teamliquid would just keep teamliquid.net BW only, and create teamliquidsc2.net instead. Just look at how biased the community news section is. Basically after 2010, 99% of posts are SC2 related even if they are barely newsworthy, while most news about BW are not even mentioned.
Starcraft is not just starcraft, but TL.net tries so hard to accommodate both. It's like having a website about football and american football because they share the same name.
I think it's unfair for TL.net to almost completely ignore BW, considering that BW is what made TL.net big.
On September 05 2016 12:35 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Let's say there is no sc2 proleague anymore, is there even any motivation for KT, SKT, etc to sponsor teams?
Sure there still might be GSL/SSL but is that really enough? :/
They still have LoL teams
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