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On September 04 2016 17:38 xuanzue wrote:
my prediction is that the BW HD will be F2P (or really cheap). And the UI improvements from SC2 will stay, so more than 12 units will be selected.
CSGO started really slow and now has amazing numbers, maybe blizzard wants something similar.
My prediction is that it will be relatively expensive (Blizzard always tries to charge a premium because they can, just look at the latest WoW expansion) and that it won't have basically any changes besides support for high resolution modes and a newer battle.net implementation.
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On September 04 2016 18:00 Topdoller wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2016 17:13 mantequilla wrote:
maybe when big tournaments end, sc2 can get a big overhaul without the fear of breaking balance Its happening now . The "avilo" patch is in the works. A patch designed for low apm players which when combined with F2 will allow foreigners to finally compete at the highest level
There there champ. Don't go off topic in the BW vs SC2 thread (AKA PL discussion) by mech QQ.
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On September 04 2016 17:27 Diabolique wrote:
Well, if Proleague ends, we will finally see all the good Koreans in IEM, DH and all international tournaments. Imagine seeing there EG.sOs, Millenium.Maru, Expert.ByuN or Liquid.herO!!!
Why? Because:
1. I can't imagine Blizzard will stop sponsoring foreign WCS events in 2017. This would mean, they attracted several students to interrupt their studies and go progamer full time and one year later they would be in a scene with no money, no tournaments ... they will continue to push SC2 into the tournaments for one year more for sure.
2. Without a ProLeague and meaningful money in Korean competitions, what reason would the TOP Koreans have to stay in Korea, if there are still reasonable money to be earned abroad? Some will retire, go to military ... but why leave it completely when there are still good money to be earned (point 1)? And I can't imagine the European / US teamhouses would refuse each one TOP Korean into their team ... Also the visa issues should not be that bad if True managed to do that ...
3. Anyway, I would much more prefer Proleague 2017 still existing ...
Sounds reasonable. I don't know though, how many of the Korean players have it in them to move abroad and change their everyday life significantly for potential income for only one more year. Of course some have it them, but not all for sure.
Play a game that has its financial backing negotiated annually and move abroad or stay in Korea and switch into a more stabilized game? I hope that Blizzard practices transparent enough communication about their long term plans. That way pros have more basis for a best decision.
I've enjoyed proleague a lot during the past few seasons and I rly hope it has a next year. In the meantime I'm also starting to dream about a future RTS-game, which would also have a proscene. A one that would avoid some of the potholes, which SC2 hit.
Anyways, let's stay optimistic 
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On September 04 2016 17:41 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2016 17:38 xuanzue wrote:
my prediction is that the BW HD will be F2P (or really cheap). And the UI improvements from SC2 will stay, so more than 12 units will be selected.
CSGO started really slow and now has amazing numbers, maybe blizzard wants something similar. unlimited unit selection was possible even back then, it was an intentional design choice to limit it to 12 which means they most likely won't be changing it.
QFT.
I'm not gonna respond to the people who quoted me and tried to teach me about BW and Quake as if I hadn't been a part of those scenes literally since the 90s, but I have full confidence that if BW HD is done right it will do well enough to surprise the naysayers.
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On September 04 2016 19:49 Koivusto wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2016 17:27 Diabolique wrote:
Well, if Proleague ends, we will finally see all the good Koreans in IEM, DH and all international tournaments. Imagine seeing there EG.sOs, Millenium.Maru, Expert.ByuN or Liquid.herO!!!
Why? Because:
1. I can't imagine Blizzard will stop sponsoring foreign WCS events in 2017. This would mean, they attracted several students to interrupt their studies and go progamer full time and one year later they would be in a scene with no money, no tournaments ... they will continue to push SC2 into the tournaments for one year more for sure.
2. Without a ProLeague and meaningful money in Korean competitions, what reason would the TOP Koreans have to stay in Korea, if there are still reasonable money to be earned abroad? Some will retire, go to military ... but why leave it completely when there are still good money to be earned (point 1)? And I can't imagine the European / US teamhouses would refuse each one TOP Korean into their team ... Also the visa issues should not be that bad if True managed to do that ...
3. Anyway, I would much more prefer Proleague 2017 still existing ... Sounds reasonable. I don't know though, how many of the Korean players have it in them to move abroad and change their everyday life significantly for potential income for only one more year. Of course some have it them, but not all for sure. Play a game that has its financial backing negotiated annually and move abroad or stay in Korea and switch into a more stabilized game? I hope that Blizzard practices transparent enough communication about their long term plans. That way pros have more basis for a best decision. I've enjoyed proleague a lot during the past few seasons and I rly hope it has a next year. In the meantime I'm also starting to dream about a future RTS-game, which would also have a proscene. A one that would avoid some of the potholes, which SC2 hit. Anyways, let's stay optimistic
Good luck dreaming such a game bc it has to be really popular to make it work
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I think Blizzard will sponsor both SC2 & BW next year.
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That would be tragic. Please don't be the end.
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On September 04 2016 20:21 LaLuSh wrote:
I think Blizzard will sponsor both SC2 & BW next year.
Why the hell would they do that? They don't sell bw anymore why would they throw money at it for nothing?
Well unless there is infact a BW hd remake in the making.
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On September 04 2016 20:21 LaLuSh wrote:
I think Blizzard will sponsor both SC2 & BW next year.
I think Blizzard will sponsor both Manchester City and Manchester United next year.
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I hope there's a new PL season. It's been the pinnacle of SC2 in Korea for a while. Glad to see Jinair finally climbed that mountain.
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On September 04 2016 20:03 swissman777 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2016 19:49 Koivusto wrote:On September 04 2016 17:27 Diabolique wrote:
Well, if Proleague ends, we will finally see all the good Koreans in IEM, DH and all international tournaments. Imagine seeing there EG.sOs, Millenium.Maru, Expert.ByuN or Liquid.herO!!!
Why? Because:
1. I can't imagine Blizzard will stop sponsoring foreign WCS events in 2017. This would mean, they attracted several students to interrupt their studies and go progamer full time and one year later they would be in a scene with no money, no tournaments ... they will continue to push SC2 into the tournaments for one year more for sure.
2. Without a ProLeague and meaningful money in Korean competitions, what reason would the TOP Koreans have to stay in Korea, if there are still reasonable money to be earned abroad? Some will retire, go to military ... but why leave it completely when there are still good money to be earned (point 1)? And I can't imagine the European / US teamhouses would refuse each one TOP Korean into their team ... Also the visa issues should not be that bad if True managed to do that ...
3. Anyway, I would much more prefer Proleague 2017 still existing ... Sounds reasonable. I don't know though, how many of the Korean players have it in them to move abroad and change their everyday life significantly for potential income for only one more year. Of course some have it them, but not all for sure. Play a game that has its financial backing negotiated annually and move abroad or stay in Korea and switch into a more stabilized game? I hope that Blizzard practices transparent enough communication about their long term plans. That way pros have more basis for a best decision. I've enjoyed proleague a lot during the past few seasons and I rly hope it has a next year. In the meantime I'm also starting to dream about a future RTS-game, which would also have a proscene. A one that would avoid some of the potholes, which SC2 hit. Anyways, let's stay optimistic Good luck dreaming such a game bc it has to be really popular to make it work
Well dreaming is not really luck-dependent 
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I really hope this is the end!
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All good things must come to an end 
12-13 STX never forget <3
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Australia18228 Posts
Hm, I'd say Choya going to military is a pretty big indicator towards no next season
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On September 04 2016 23:17 Inflicted wrote:
Hm, I'd say Choya going to military is a pretty big indicator towards no next season
He had to do his miliraty service, he postponed it like 5-6 times.
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On September 04 2016 23:20 Aeromi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2016 23:17 Inflicted wrote:
Hm, I'd say Choya going to military is a pretty big indicator towards no next season He had to do his military service, he postponed it like 5-6 times.
Yeah. Also Choya is 28 now, there's not much he can do at that point, even if he wanted to. Not really a sign.
We'll see what happens. Korean leagues are almost done for the year and then we enter the hardest time of the year. The part where we wait for news.
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On September 04 2016 17:23 WinterViewbot420 wrote:
Fuck it my collarbone is broken and I can't afford surgery or pain pills, I'll write this shit.
I'm glad you guys are seeing the end of your game because as a member of the BW community I can't go anywhere without being called a BW elitist, or a BW sucker, or some other offensive term that says I'm supporting a dead game. David Kim is nice but he's the worst balance designer I've ever seen and the game's fucked up at such a low level there's no fixing it without an absolute overhaul, which after six years and two expansions will never happen. I can't say a thing bad about SC2 on the StarCraft subreddit or the SC2 part of TL without having people shit on me. I stopped trying to talk about it here and Reddit just loves to hate on BW as if it's a SC2-only subreddit. SC2 is dying because David Kim is an idiot and instead of taking it into your own hands and breaking the EULA just like Fish, iCCup, Brain, Netcraft, Amazon, or any other Brood War server you guys kept taking it up the ass, while complaining about having to take it up the ass then doing nothing about it. You waited for Blizzard to do something.
I know not everybody is like this and I truly do wish the best of luck for StarCraft II as a game, but as a community you guys are some of the most entitled, elitist, and laziest people I've ever had the distaste of seeing and being a part of. You guys don't even let people talk about other games as if it's a sin to play anything but SC2, even if it's fucking Mario or some shit.
User was banned for this post.
I feel like this should have ended with a cartman "screw you guys, Im going home"
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You just have to look at the stats on the right banner. BW stream viewers always outstrip sc2 players as of late.
I still play sc2 for fun, not so much BW, but I'll be honest BW is a hell lot more fun to watch.
LotV was the last chance for Blizz to secure SC2's legacy.
It should have been a free download with a DLC for the single player Hollywood style campaign and other shit idgaf about. It should have fixed the deathball problem and mobility arms race. It should have made the game about space control and battles of attrition, not tasteless saying 'here we go!' for the 1000th time and game over in 15 secs.
Now the changes incoming are good, but not good enough. It needed an overhaul and I understand why Blizzard didn't want to do it. It's easier to push BW HD.
There's like, no live audience for regular proleague games anymore. Overwatch, on the other hand...
We gotta keep it realistic, RTS will always have its hardcore fanboys, but it's never going to be big again. A small sustainable scene is better and BW is the way to go.
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On September 05 2016 00:32 shadymmj wrote:
You just have to look at the stats on the right banner. BW stream viewers always outstrip sc2 players as of late.
I still play sc2 for fun, not so much BW, but I'll be honest BW is a hell lot more fun to watch.
LotV was the last chance for Blizz to secure SC2's legacy.
It should have been a free download with a DLC for the single player Hollywood style campaign and other shit idgaf about. It should have fixed the deathball problem and mobility arms race. It should have made the game about space control and battles of attrition, not tasteless saying 'here we go!' for the 1000th time and game over in 15 secs.
Now the changes incoming are good, but not good enough. It needed an overhaul and I understand why Blizzard didn't want to do it. It's easier to push BW HD.
There's like, no live audience for regular proleague games anymore. Overwatch, on the other hand...
We gotta keep it realistic, RTS will always have its hardcore fanboys, but it's never going to be big again. A small sustainable scene is better and BW is the way to go.
Yeah, you're right and I'm very sad about this. You know why? Because this means only one thing: actual and forthcoming target players have a very short attention span. Casual, fast, quick gg, goal over path, result over learning. Education and ethics/morale around the occidental world are targeted towards this one very simple thing: results. No insight, no developing abstract vision, no nothing.
I hope you and I are wrong, I really do, cos I love the RTS genre to no end.
PS: about your BW sig, I don't know what to say.
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PS: about your BW sig, I don't know what to say.
You can say "You're god damn right."
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