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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
September 04 2016 07:11 GMT
#141
pretty sure he meant 30k

300k is news to me.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TL+ Member
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
September 04 2016 07:55 GMT
#142
holdaholdaholdaholdup

holy shit is this for real happening again?
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
September 04 2016 08:07 GMT
#143
Perhaps we can see what will really happen in as early as five days. The ASL finals happens then, and it's rumored that BW:HD will be announced in September. What better place for that than during the ASL.
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10673 Posts
September 04 2016 08:10 GMT
#144
Make StarCraft great again, Trump 2016.

HD BW =O
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3393 Posts
September 04 2016 08:12 GMT
#145
Brood War dead, and loving it.



User was temp banned for this post.
mantequilla
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Turkey779 Posts
September 04 2016 08:13 GMT
#146
maybe when big tournaments end, sc2 can get a big overhaul without the fear of breaking balance
Age of Mythology forever!
WinterViewbot420
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
345 Posts
September 04 2016 08:23 GMT
#147
Fuck it my collarbone is broken and I can't afford surgery or pain pills, I'll write this shit.

I'm glad you guys are seeing the end of your game because as a member of the BW community I can't go anywhere without being called a BW elitist, or a BW sucker, or some other offensive term that says I'm supporting a dead game. David Kim is nice but he's the worst balance designer I've ever seen and the game's fucked up at such a low level there's no fixing it without an absolute overhaul, which after six years and two expansions will never happen. I can't say a thing bad about SC2 on the StarCraft subreddit or the SC2 part of TL without having people shit on me. I stopped trying to talk about it here and Reddit just loves to hate on BW as if it's a SC2-only subreddit. SC2 is dying because David Kim is an idiot and instead of taking it into your own hands and breaking the EULA just like Fish, iCCup, Brain, Netcraft, Amazon, or any other Brood War server you guys kept taking it up the ass, while complaining about having to take it up the ass then doing nothing about it. You waited for Blizzard to do something.

I know not everybody is like this and I truly do wish the best of luck for StarCraft II as a game, but as a community you guys are some of the most entitled, elitist, and laziest people I've ever had the distaste of seeing and being a part of. You guys don't even let people talk about other games as if it's a sin to play anything but SC2, even if it's fucking Mario or some shit.

User was banned for this post.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-04 08:25:57
September 04 2016 08:25 GMT
#148
On September 04 2016 17:23 WinterViewbot420 wrote:
Fuck it my collarbone is broken and I can't afford surgery or pain pills, I'll write this shit.

I'm glad you guys are seeing the end of your game because as a member of the BW community I can't go anywhere without being called a BW elitist, or a BW sucker, or some other offensive term that says I'm supporting a dead game. David Kim is nice but he's the worst balance designer I've ever seen and the game's fucked up at such a low level there's no fixing it without an absolute overhaul, which after six years and two expansions will never happen. I can't say a thing bad about SC2 on the StarCraft subreddit or the SC2 part of TL without having people shit on me. I stopped trying to talk about it here and Reddit just loves to hate on BW as if it's a SC2-only subreddit. SC2 is dying because David Kim is an idiot and instead of taking it into your own hands and breaking the EULA just like Fish, iCCup, Brain, Netcraft, Amazon, or any other Brood War server you guys kept taking it up the ass, while complaining about having to take it up the ass then doing nothing about it. You waited for Blizzard to do something.

I know not everybody is like this and I truly do wish the best of luck for StarCraft II as a game, but as a community you guys are some of the most entitled, elitist, and laziest people I've ever had the distaste of seeing and being a part of. You guys don't even let people talk about other games as if it's a sin to play anything but SC2, even if it's fucking Mario or some shit.


Just want to state, you are being one of the same entitled elitist people right now by doing the exact same thing you are accusing sc2 people of doing. lol I don't get why people like you (or elitists in general) can't just stfu and let people enjoy both games without having to hate on one you don't like.
When I think of something else, something will go here
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-04 08:26:54
September 04 2016 08:26 GMT
#149
On September 04 2016 17:13 mantequilla wrote:
maybe when big tournaments end, sc2 can get a big overhaul without the fear of breaking balance


isn't that when the new patch is supposed to hit?

or at least post blizzcon.

On September 04 2016 17:23 WinterViewbot420 wrote:
Fuck it my collarbone is broken and I can't afford surgery or pain pills, I'll write this shit.

I'm glad you guys are seeing the end of your game because as a member of the BW community I can't go anywhere without being called a BW elitist, or a BW sucker, or some other offensive term that says I'm supporting a dead game. David Kim is nice but he's the worst balance designer I've ever seen and the game's fucked up at such a low level there's no fixing it without an absolute overhaul, which after six years and two expansions will never happen. I can't say a thing bad about SC2 on the StarCraft subreddit or the SC2 part of TL without having people shit on me. I stopped trying to talk about it here and Reddit just loves to hate on BW as if it's a SC2-only subreddit. SC2 is dying because David Kim is an idiot and instead of taking it into your own hands and breaking the EULA just like Fish, iCCup, Brain, Netcraft, Amazon, or any other Brood War server you guys kept taking it up the ass, while complaining about having to take it up the ass then doing nothing about it. You waited for Blizzard to do something.

I know not everybody is like this and I truly do wish the best of luck for StarCraft II as a game, but as a community you guys are some of the most entitled, elitist, and laziest people I've ever had the distaste of seeing and being a part of. You guys don't even let people talk about other games as if it's a sin to play anything but SC2, even if it's fucking Mario or some shit.


2012 called, it wants its post back
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
September 04 2016 08:27 GMT
#150
Well, if Proleague ends, we will finally see all the good Koreans in IEM, DH and all international tournaments. Imagine seeing there EG.sOs, Millenium.Maru, Expert.ByuN or Liquid.herO!!!

Why? Because:
1. I can't imagine Blizzard will stop sponsoring foreign WCS events in 2017. This would mean, they attracted several students to interrupt their studies and go progamer full time and one year later they would be in a scene with no money, no tournaments ... they will continue to push SC2 into the tournaments for one year more for sure.

2. Without a ProLeague and meaningful money in Korean competitions, what reason would the TOP Koreans have to stay in Korea, if there are still reasonable money to be earned abroad? Some will retire, go to military ... but why leave it completely when there are still good money to be earned (point 1)? And I can't imagine the European / US teamhouses would refuse each one TOP Korean into their team ... Also the visa issues should not be that bad if True managed to do that ...

3. Anyway, I would much more prefer Proleague 2017 still existing ...
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
September 04 2016 08:34 GMT
#151
On September 04 2016 17:23 WinterViewbot420 wrote:
Fuck it my collarbone is broken and I can't afford surgery or pain pills, I'll write this shit.

I'm glad you guys are seeing the end of your game because as a member of the BW community I can't go anywhere without being called a BW elitist, or a BW sucker, or some other offensive term that says I'm supporting a dead game. David Kim is nice but he's the worst balance designer I've ever seen and the game's fucked up at such a low level there's no fixing it without an absolute overhaul, which after six years and two expansions will never happen. I can't say a thing bad about SC2 on the StarCraft subreddit or the SC2 part of TL without having people shit on me. I stopped trying to talk about it here and Reddit just loves to hate on BW as if it's a SC2-only subreddit. SC2 is dying because David Kim is an idiot and instead of taking it into your own hands and breaking the EULA just like Fish, iCCup, Brain, Netcraft, Amazon, or any other Brood War server you guys kept taking it up the ass, while complaining about having to take it up the ass then doing nothing about it. You waited for Blizzard to do something.

I know not everybody is like this and I truly do wish the best of luck for StarCraft II as a game, but as a community you guys are some of the most entitled, elitist, and laziest people I've ever had the distaste of seeing and being a part of. You guys don't even let people talk about other games as if it's a sin to play anything but SC2, even if it's fucking Mario or some shit.


Lol.
xuanzue
Profile Joined October 2010
Colombia1747 Posts
September 04 2016 08:38 GMT
#152
my prediction is that the BW HD will be F2P (or really cheap). And the UI improvements from SC2 will stay, so more than 12 units will be selected.

CSGO started really slow and now has amazing numbers, maybe blizzard wants something similar.
Dominions 4: "Thrones of Ascension".
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
September 04 2016 08:41 GMT
#153
On September 04 2016 17:38 xuanzue wrote:
my prediction is that the BW HD will be F2P (or really cheap). And the UI improvements from SC2 will stay, so more than 12 units will be selected.

CSGO started really slow and now has amazing numbers, maybe blizzard wants something similar.

unlimited unit selection was possible even back then, it was an intentional design choice to limit it to 12 which means they most likely won't be changing it.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TL+ Member
WinterViewbot420
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
345 Posts
September 04 2016 08:44 GMT
#154
CSGO also took off because of the gambling scene.
PharaphobiaSC
Profile Joined April 2016
Czech Republic457 Posts
September 04 2016 08:58 GMT
#155
Why is everyone begging about 12 unit selection? Like unlimited selection in BW engine HD or not would be broken af... I play BW for fun from time to time and its actually fun to select limited amount of units and send them elsewhere... but i still like SC2 more...

Also all this crap is double edge sword... you let koreans play in NA and EU and NA/EU players will retire and stop trying... you dont? Well Korean SC2 will maybe die... so yeah u can't fix this probably
twitch.tv/pharaphobia
Topdoller
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3860 Posts
September 04 2016 09:00 GMT
#156
On September 04 2016 17:13 mantequilla wrote:
maybe when big tournaments end, sc2 can get a big overhaul without the fear of breaking balance


Its happening now . The "avilo" patch is in the works. A patch designed for low apm players which when combined with F2 will allow foreigners to finally compete at the highest level
TaShadan
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany1970 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-04 10:07:35
September 04 2016 09:21 GMT
#157
I guess we will see soon what this is all about.
Total Annihilation Zero
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
September 04 2016 09:42 GMT
#158
On September 04 2016 01:44 Aeromi wrote:
This thread is hilarious.


indeed
Zest fanboy.
Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2215 Posts
September 04 2016 09:48 GMT
#159
Please don't let it be true.
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16701 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-04 10:28:10
September 04 2016 10:26 GMT
#160
On September 04 2016 11:36 BronzeKnee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2016 07:33 swissman777 wrote:
On September 04 2016 07:17 Lordanubis wrote:
It's strange to see people saying they can't imagine SC2 without ProLeague, and that it'll be lesser without it, when the strongest SC2 ever was (both in popularity and viewership) was when ProLeague wasn't around - all we had was GSL and, occasionally, GSTL.

It'll be sad if PL doesn't come back, sure, but SC2 is hardly doing well at the moment anyway. The way things are is not popular, and it's not a sustainable situation.

I wonder sometimes, if KESPA had never come over to SC2 and Blizzard hadn't started meddling as much, would we still be in the situation we're in now? I'm not so sure. I guess it's always easier to look back with rose tinted glasses, but the competitive scene now bears very little resemblance to the scene when SC2 was truly hot.

Like it or not though (honestly, I don't really find it enjoyable to watch) ProLeague now pretty much props up the Korean SC2 scene and without it things will likely collapse rapidly. But then, with things as they are, can SC2 really be saved regardless? Irreparable damage has already been done...

I don't think it's irreparable. Sc2 is still pretty big and well established. If anything, as long as we keep the passion there will be a day when RTS or similar genres become popular again like it was in Smash bros I believe. We just have to love the game for our own reasons and hope for best

SC2 can't be fixed by the design team that broke it.
Can we get some game designers who understand game design?


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