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On September 03 2016 23:54 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2016 23:45 Akara12345 wrote:
It's about time. Maybe Brood War will replace it? itll be interesting if BW makes a comeback. i have no interest in watching it personally, but it would probably create hype that would draw a lot of people in. the problem as i see it is that the BW fanbase would be eating itself inside out - there's almost no chance of drawing in viewers who weren't either around for BW or simply curious enough because of SC2, and that's a limited base. SC2 is fighting a losing battle against other esports, but it at least had its own modern appeal. no one from the current generation is going to want to sit down and watch a game that looks like BW unless the HD remaster is mindblowing cue a thousand insane BW acolytes telling me how it's the greatest game ever and even in 500 years people will appreciate its beauty, but i'm talking about reality 
I always like it when people use terms like "reality" to justify whatever on earth they just said. It's like saying "let's be honest". What you said is still bollocks. Good job on constructing a bona fide "reality" by typing a paragraph to yourself though.
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On September 04 2016 07:44 ImbaTosS wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2016 23:54 brickrd wrote:On September 03 2016 23:45 Akara12345 wrote:
It's about time. Maybe Brood War will replace it? itll be interesting if BW makes a comeback. i have no interest in watching it personally, but it would probably create hype that would draw a lot of people in. the problem as i see it is that the BW fanbase would be eating itself inside out - there's almost no chance of drawing in viewers who weren't either around for BW or simply curious enough because of SC2, and that's a limited base. SC2 is fighting a losing battle against other esports, but it at least had its own modern appeal. no one from the current generation is going to want to sit down and watch a game that looks like BW unless the HD remaster is mindblowing cue a thousand insane BW acolytes telling me how it's the greatest game ever and even in 500 years people will appreciate its beauty, but i'm talking about reality I always like it when people use terms like "reality" to justify whatever on earth they just said. It's like saying "let's be honest". What you said is still bollocks. Good job on constructing a bona fide "reality" by typing a paragraph to yourself though.
I think his paragraph is okay. Why do you not think so? All you did was complain about his use of the term "reality" in a joking closing remark... But I do think that there are crowds for seemingly outdated games. SSB:Melee has made a really impressive comeback. And really, it was never that big to begin with. Now? It's probably the most popular fighting game at this point. Maybe second to SF-V? Maybe..??? And lots of BW players still have hefty fanbases.
I really do not think PL is going to move back to Broodwar, though. There simply is not enough infrastructure there for a team league of this scale. There aren't even teams, really...
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On September 04 2016 05:25 TheWinks wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2016 05:20 swissman777 wrote:On September 04 2016 05:16 lastride wrote:On September 04 2016 05:13 207aicila wrote:
ProLeague returning to Brood War would be phenomenal. Just the thought of it is making me more excited than it should. Man I love bw like everybody else but the players are too old now. It will be a shadow of the past. But Still better than sc2 proleague I wonder if more people will watch BW now or we should just stick to what we have Internationally, no, more people will not watch BW.
Given the success and growth of Twitch and YouTube as platforms, as long as they don't fuck things up with poor quality or bad casters (think GomTV in 2011) then you bet your bloody arse BW will have a stronger international audience than ever before. Simply as a result of more people being into the eSports and gaming livestreaming scene. It's that simple.
And you can bet a lot of us old schoolers will be watching again as well.
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What is dead may never die
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I really hope Korean SC2 player can move to BW smoothly. I won't watch BW proleague, but I hope my SC2 favorite player can make a good result.
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I have no idea if this closing actually means anything, but lets pretend it does and its a goodbye because PL is shutting down. Shouldn't they have informed or forewarned the main teams/coaches of this likelihood/possibility. If its sure enough to warrant a closing with that kind of message surely they have informed the teams/coaches?
If the coaches/teams have been informed of the end of SC2 PL why was the JAGW coach fishing so hard for a sponsor for their team? The pieces doesn't fit, call me an ignorant dreamer if you will but I will believe in PL 2017.
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On September 04 2016 08:40 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2016 05:25 TheWinks wrote:On September 04 2016 05:20 swissman777 wrote:On September 04 2016 05:16 lastride wrote:On September 04 2016 05:13 207aicila wrote:
ProLeague returning to Brood War would be phenomenal. Just the thought of it is making me more excited than it should. Man I love bw like everybody else but the players are too old now. It will be a shadow of the past. But Still better than sc2 proleague I wonder if more people will watch BW now or we should just stick to what we have Internationally, no, more people will not watch BW. Given the success and growth of Twitch and YouTube as platforms, as long as they don't fuck things up with poor quality or bad casters (think GomTV in 2011) then you bet your bloody arse BW will have a stronger international audience than ever before. Simply as a result of more people being into the eSports and gaming livestreaming scene. It's that simple. And you can bet a lot of us old schoolers will be watching again as well.
BW itself will be bigger but PL won't and deffinitively not as big as SC2, BW was nowhere near as big as SC2 world wide, BW is bigger in korea yes but in the rest of the world no, SC2 its actually much bigger than BW was because of that, except WCG there weren't any tournaments outside korea, theres no way you would have things like DH and IEM in china, poland,etc and things like HSC, Iron squid, etc with BW it just wasn't that popular outside of korea.
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On September 04 2016 09:09 Shuffleblade wrote:
I have no idea if this closing actually means anything, but lets pretend it does and its a goodbye because PL is shutting down. Shouldn't they have informed or forewarned the main teams/coaches of this likelihood/possibility. If its sure enough to warrant a closing with that kind of message surely they have informed the teams/coaches?
If the coaches/teams have been informed of the end of SC2 PL why was the JAGW coach fishing so hard for a sponsor for their team? The pieces doesn't fit, call me an ignorant dreamer if you will but I will believe in PL 2017.
Let's pretend it will be a bw proleague (i actually don't think so). Then that would still apply, no?
JinAir would be kinda fucked though, not gonna lie.
On September 04 2016 09:02 horrypotter wrote:
I really hope Korean SC2 player can move to BW smoothly. I won't watch BW proleague, but I hope my SC2 favorite player can make a good result.
Who are your favorite sc2 players?
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The one thing people seem to ignore is the fact that while BW in Korea is bigger than SC2, BW itself isn't really what it once was.
I mean, look at public numbers. Overwatch overtook LoL, BW is sitting at like 3-4%? Why would PL go back to BW and not go with Overwatch?
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On September 04 2016 09:24 KeksX wrote:
The one thing people seem to ignore is the fact that while BW in Korea is bigger than SC2, it isn't particularly big.
Spoiler alert: Overwatch is big. They'll switch to that before going back to BW.
iirc BW is still in the top 5 or top 10 most played games at PC Bangs. It's still pretty big. It is possible for them to run both Starcraft and Overwatch, they don't have to totally switch
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On September 04 2016 09:25 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2016 09:24 KeksX wrote:
The one thing people seem to ignore is the fact that while BW in Korea is bigger than SC2, it isn't particularly big.
Spoiler alert: Overwatch is big. They'll switch to that before going back to BW. iirc BW is still in the top 5 or top 10 most played games at PC Bangs. It's still pretty big. It is possible for them to run both Starcraft and Overwatch, they don't have to totally switch
I adjusted the post a bit. Yeah BW might be in the top 5, but the difference between #2 and #3 is massive. Korea, again, is incredibly top heavy.
If any switch will happen, it will be to the bigger game for sure.
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Who are your favorite sc2 players?
I love Maru, herO, Dark, TY. I heard TY/herO was good player in BW too, but I don' know Maru/Dark...
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On September 04 2016 09:26 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2016 09:25 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On September 04 2016 09:24 KeksX wrote:
The one thing people seem to ignore is the fact that while BW in Korea is bigger than SC2, it isn't particularly big.
Spoiler alert: Overwatch is big. They'll switch to that before going back to BW. iirc BW is still in the top 5 or top 10 most played games at PC Bangs. It's still pretty big. It is possible for them to run both Starcraft and Overwatch, they don't have to totally switch I adjusted the post a bit. Yeah BW might be in the top 5, but the difference between #2 and #3 is massive. Korea, again, is incredibly top heavy. If any switch will happen, it will be to the bigger game for sure.
Being bigger in pc bangs doesn't neccesarily mean it will be a big esports scene though, no?
Overwatch is (imo) incredibly boring to watch for multiple reasons, just because a lot of people like playing it doesn't mean it will succeed as a viewing experience.
Then again, are pc bang stats still that important? Pc bang stats inherently seem to favor team games over 1vs1 games, which you might just play at home.
What about fish numbers? etc
As i said before, i don't really buy the bw proleague part right now, but ASL recently got two sponsors so i guess there is increased interest? This is all mostly speculation ofc
On September 04 2016 09:28 horrypotter wrote:I love Maru, herO, Dark, TY. I heard TY/herO was good player in BW too, but I don' know Maru/Dark...
herO wasn't good in BW, he played zerg though. TY surely was decent with potential, never really got far in individual tournaments though. Maru and Dark never played bw afaik. Would be interesting to see how these guys would do though (not that i think a forced switch in any direction is a good thing though)
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On September 04 2016 09:30 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2016 09:26 KeksX wrote:On September 04 2016 09:25 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On September 04 2016 09:24 KeksX wrote:
The one thing people seem to ignore is the fact that while BW in Korea is bigger than SC2, it isn't particularly big.
Spoiler alert: Overwatch is big. They'll switch to that before going back to BW. iirc BW is still in the top 5 or top 10 most played games at PC Bangs. It's still pretty big. It is possible for them to run both Starcraft and Overwatch, they don't have to totally switch I adjusted the post a bit. Yeah BW might be in the top 5, but the difference between #2 and #3 is massive. Korea, again, is incredibly top heavy. If any switch will happen, it will be to the bigger game for sure. Being bigger in pc bangs doesn't neccesarily mean it will be a big esports scene though, no? Overwatch is (imo) incredibly boring to watch for multiple reasons, just because a lot of people like playing it doesn't mean it will succeed as a viewing experience. Then again, are pc bang stats still that important? Pc bang stats inherently seem to favor team games over 1vs1 games, which you might just play at home. What about fish numbers? etc As i said before, i don't really buy the bw proleague part right now, but ASL recently got two sponsors so i guess there is increased interest? This is all mostly speculation ofc
I think Korea has different standards regarding this. In the end, you have bad mario kart clones being televised.
But you might be right, the PC bang culture might change or get smaller. But if the korean ads at spotv are any indication, it's really just about most played games.
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please let there be sc2 or bw proleague
please let there be sc2 or bw proleague
please let there be sc2 or bw proleague
please let there be sc2 or bw proleague
please let there be sc2 or bw proleague
please let there be sc2 or bw proleague
overwatch can suck a deep fried flash frozen **** stuffed in a bag of **** microwaved and marinaded in **** juice.
why god?
whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.....
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why.
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4 months of speculation and BW vs SC2 to come. Should be interesting.
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Blizzard is everything about money, they saw how Microsoft milked with little effort its Age of Empire franchise by the HD remake and they just want to do the same with BW, it could be a hit in Korea, a massive hit, lets face it, Korea was never into SC2, but Blizz couldnt let the game die there so fast because you know they "forced" an entire organization (Kespa) to move to SC2., now they are by themselves supporting SC2 in Korea because they have to show the masses interest in supporting their games (for the good of Overwatch), SC2 is for Blizz only an investment of marketing right now, and if they can make the same milking the new BW HD why not?.
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On September 04 2016 09:34 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2016 09:30 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 04 2016 09:26 KeksX wrote:On September 04 2016 09:25 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On September 04 2016 09:24 KeksX wrote:
The one thing people seem to ignore is the fact that while BW in Korea is bigger than SC2, it isn't particularly big.
Spoiler alert: Overwatch is big. They'll switch to that before going back to BW. iirc BW is still in the top 5 or top 10 most played games at PC Bangs. It's still pretty big. It is possible for them to run both Starcraft and Overwatch, they don't have to totally switch I adjusted the post a bit. Yeah BW might be in the top 5, but the difference between #2 and #3 is massive. Korea, again, is incredibly top heavy. If any switch will happen, it will be to the bigger game for sure. Being bigger in pc bangs doesn't neccesarily mean it will be a big esports scene though, no? Overwatch is (imo) incredibly boring to watch for multiple reasons, just because a lot of people like playing it doesn't mean it will succeed as a viewing experience. Then again, are pc bang stats still that important? Pc bang stats inherently seem to favor team games over 1vs1 games, which you might just play at home. What about fish numbers? etc As i said before, i don't really buy the bw proleague part right now, but ASL recently got two sponsors so i guess there is increased interest? This is all mostly speculation ofc I think Korea has different standards regarding this. In the end, you have bad mario kart clones being televised. But you might be right, the PC bang culture might change or get smaller. But if the korean ads at spotv are any indication, it's really just about most played games.
I am not necessarily talking about the quality of a game, i think overwatch is pretty mediocre but that is not the point.
It's more about how easy the game is to follow as an esports. If you watch the match is it easy to understand what is happening, is it easy to get the narrative of the match? How easy it is to see the skill of the players.
I think OW fails at most of these things pretty badly atm, especially if we compare it to other successful esports.
I mean i absolutely think that there will be an OW tournament in the near future (probably on OGN) simply because it is big in pc bangs and general interest is there. But if people actually like to watch it? That has to be seen i think.
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I enjoy playing Overwatch but I have no real interest in watching pros playing it. I haven't played SC2 in five years but I still enjoy watching pros play it.
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What this thread seems to forget is that proleague and kespa care about their bottom line, if they think that catering to the bigger bw fanbase in korea is better money thats what they'll do, if they think the foreign sc2 scene will produce more money they'll go with that. They may go with broodwar and overwatch, and then go to HDBW and OW or maybe do that but with SC2 instead of HDBW. If competitive farmville makes them the most money, that's what they'll go with. They care far less about scenes and far more about how those scenes make them money.
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