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On September 04 2016 05:13 207aicila wrote: ProLeague returning to Brood War would be phenomenal. Just the thought of it is making me more excited than it should. Man I love bw like everybody else but the players are too old now. It will be a shadow of the past. But Still better than sc2 proleague
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On September 04 2016 05:16 lastride wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2016 05:13 207aicila wrote: ProLeague returning to Brood War would be phenomenal. Just the thought of it is making me more excited than it should. Man I love bw like everybody else but the players are too old now. It will be a shadow of the past. But Still better than sc2 proleague I wonder if more people will watch BW now or we should just stick to what we have
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I would be totally fine with Hybrid League again. Unite both the games' fans. Similar to the GSL/ASL finals.
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On September 04 2016 05:20 swissman777 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2016 05:16 lastride wrote:On September 04 2016 05:13 207aicila wrote: ProLeague returning to Brood War would be phenomenal. Just the thought of it is making me more excited than it should. Man I love bw like everybody else but the players are too old now. It will be a shadow of the past. But Still better than sc2 proleague I wonder if more people will watch BW now or we should just stick to what we have Internationally, no, more people will not watch BW.
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On September 04 2016 05:25 TheWinks wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2016 05:20 swissman777 wrote:On September 04 2016 05:16 lastride wrote:On September 04 2016 05:13 207aicila wrote: ProLeague returning to Brood War would be phenomenal. Just the thought of it is making me more excited than it should. Man I love bw like everybody else but the players are too old now. It will be a shadow of the past. But Still better than sc2 proleague I wonder if more people will watch BW now or we should just stick to what we have Internationally, no, more people will not watch BW.
I think the best for Blizzard would be BW HD for Korea and SC2 internationally. That way the whole "korean OP" ends for good in SC2 and will help its popularity a bit.
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The dream the circle spins again and BW ends its miserable expansions life cycle
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I think that as long as it's well-produced, with the right commentary (Tastosis), then HDBW tournaments can catch on with foreign audiences. I've never played/watched much competitive BW (started in SC2 beta) but I've really been enjoying the ASL since it's quite accessible.
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I still can't stand the ASL. I've tried, I just can't stand it. If Proleague goes, I guess I go with it
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Proleague has to be there next year. I can't imagine SC2 without it.
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Damn 
Can't say BW is a bad game but I just can't stand playing it, if sc2 goes I go with it, hopefully it is just some kind of PR statement or at least a proleague with both game.
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On September 04 2016 05:30 Wrath wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2016 05:25 TheWinks wrote:On September 04 2016 05:20 swissman777 wrote:On September 04 2016 05:16 lastride wrote:On September 04 2016 05:13 207aicila wrote: ProLeague returning to Brood War would be phenomenal. Just the thought of it is making me more excited than it should. Man I love bw like everybody else but the players are too old now. It will be a shadow of the past. But Still better than sc2 proleague I wonder if more people will watch BW now or we should just stick to what we have Internationally, no, more people will not watch BW. I think the best for Blizzard would be BW HD for Korea and SC2 internationally. That way the whole "korean OP" ends for good in SC2 and will help its popularity a bit.
Strongly disagree, I was willing to give it a chance in the name of making Starcraft more popular but I'm starting to think the SC2 region lock experiment has run it's course... It certainly hasn't seemed to improve viewership. Knowing Blizzard they're sticking with it for another year at least though and that is a shame.
Koreans need to be involved in SC2, their play is just too much better for them not to.
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On September 04 2016 02:38 Heyoka wrote: Bring back hybrid league please.
Once I took something Heyoka said seriously. Chaos was the consequence. :D
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I guess the "wait" is for if Blizzard takes these and future design changes in a good direction to improve SC2 into being worthwhile for a Proleague.
Excited for BW!
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they are waiting for HD broodwar probably.
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You know, the interesting thing is that this immediately leads one to assume it's from the perspective of KeSPA and other Proleague organizers looking back on the past of Proleague and saying goodbye. And not the perspective of the teams looking back at the season and stating their desire to do better in the next season, which it could very well also be supposed to mean.
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It's strange to see people saying they can't imagine SC2 without ProLeague, and that it'll be lesser without it, when the strongest SC2 ever was (both in popularity and viewership) was when ProLeague wasn't around - all we had was GSL and, occasionally, GSTL.
It'll be sad if PL doesn't come back, sure, but SC2 is hardly doing well at the moment anyway. The way things are is not popular, and it's not a sustainable situation.
I wonder sometimes, if KESPA had never come over to SC2 and Blizzard hadn't started meddling as much, would we still be in the situation we're in now? I'm not so sure. I guess it's always easier to look back with rose tinted glasses, but the competitive scene now bears very little resemblance to the scene when SC2 was truly hot.
Like it or not though (honestly, I don't really find it enjoyable to watch) ProLeague now pretty much props up the Korean SC2 scene and without it things will likely collapse rapidly. But then, with things as they are, can SC2 really be saved regardless? Irreparable damage has already been done...
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On September 04 2016 05:30 Wrath wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2016 05:25 TheWinks wrote:On September 04 2016 05:20 swissman777 wrote:On September 04 2016 05:16 lastride wrote:On September 04 2016 05:13 207aicila wrote: ProLeague returning to Brood War would be phenomenal. Just the thought of it is making me more excited than it should. Man I love bw like everybody else but the players are too old now. It will be a shadow of the past. But Still better than sc2 proleague I wonder if more people will watch BW now or we should just stick to what we have Internationally, no, more people will not watch BW. I think the best for Blizzard would be BW HD for Korea and SC2 internationally. That way the whole "korean OP" ends for good in SC2 and will help its popularity a bit. I'm persuaded that's Blizzard's plan
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Sure hope that's not the case. Team competition is the most fun and it does not work outside of Korea.
I stopped watching Bw because it became very stale watching the same players playing the same stuff over and over again. Then Sc2 came and it was a hell of a ride for 5 years. But Sc2 has the same problem now as BW had 5 years ago: lack of new blood. But the changes to the game keep it exciting. But an unchanging starcraft with a static aging player pool, duh.
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Is there actually any real evidence for a bw proleague? I know that there was this one article, but korean speakers said it's not really legit. I mean it depends on BW HD i guess? People mentioning that it doesn't have newcomers, i mean afaik the ASL qualifiers had like over 500 people participating. So i would assume that there are lots and lots of people in the semi pro zone (or near it). Anyone has stats for the fish server? I mean todays crowd at the PL finals was kinda okish? Not 100% sure because only saw it on stream but it didn't look too bad. The problem is that vod numbers seem to be pretty meh (a few thousand for the average gsl/ssl/pl vod). With PL having problem to find sponsors this season it kinda looks bad for next year :/ I am almost sure certain people in this community know more already, cmon guys tease some stuff or something -.- You can also pm me
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On September 04 2016 07:17 Lordanubis wrote: It's strange to see people saying they can't imagine SC2 without ProLeague, and that it'll be lesser without it, when the strongest SC2 ever was (both in popularity and viewership) was when ProLeague wasn't around - all we had was GSL and, occasionally, GSTL.
It'll be sad if PL doesn't come back, sure, but SC2 is hardly doing well at the moment anyway. The way things are is not popular, and it's not a sustainable situation.
I wonder sometimes, if KESPA had never come over to SC2 and Blizzard hadn't started meddling as much, would we still be in the situation we're in now? I'm not so sure. I guess it's always easier to look back with rose tinted glasses, but the competitive scene now bears very little resemblance to the scene when SC2 was truly hot.
Like it or not though (honestly, I don't really find it enjoyable to watch) ProLeague now pretty much props up the Korean SC2 scene and without it things will likely collapse rapidly. But then, with things as they are, can SC2 really be saved regardless? Irreparable damage has already been done... I don't think it's irreparable. Sc2 is still pretty big and well established. If anything, as long as we keep the passion there will be a day when RTS or similar genres become popular again like it was in Smash bros I believe. We just have to love the game for our own reasons and hope for best
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