• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 09:20
CEST 15:20
KST 22:20
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy18ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book20
Community News
Weekly Cups (March 23-29): herO takes triple6Aligulac acquired by REPLAYMAN.com/Stego Research8Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises3Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool51Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win4
StarCraft 2
General
Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool What mix of new & old maps do you want in the next ladder pool? (SC2) Aligulac acquired by REPLAYMAN.com/Stego Research
Tourneys
RSL Season 4 announced for March-April Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) WardiTV Mondays World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open
Strategy
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Frigid Storage Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 520 Moving Fees Mutation # 519 Inner Power Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone
Brood War
General
ASL21 General Discussion so ive been playing broodwar for a week straight. Pros React To: JaeDong vs Queen BSL 22 Map Contest — Submissions OPEN to March 10 Klaucher discontinued / in-game color settings
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro24 Group E [ASL21] Ro24 Group F
Strategy
What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Darkest Dungeon
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Chess Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread NASA and the Private Sector Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
China Uses Video Games to Sh…
TrAiDoS
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Electronics
mantequilla
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1502 users

Proleague ends with cryptic message - Page 3

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 13 14 15 Next All
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
September 03 2016 16:45 GMT
#41
On September 04 2016 01:29 Argonauta wrote:
What some people in this sub dont realize if that if SC2 ends, then BW will end.
If there is few new blood coming to sc2 is none going to BW. The scene its just hold by some nostalgics and flash, sure maybe the return of BW will make a small spike of viewers at the beggining but it will not last longer. I've been watching all ASL since afreeca take care of it and I can tell you: it only gets packed when flash plays.

I mean right now the small bw leagues out perform the big sc2 tournaments in korea, so I kind of doubt that, even more so if blizzard gets behind bw again
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
romson87
Profile Joined May 2016
Poland487 Posts
September 03 2016 16:46 GMT
#42
Damn that's sad and really sounds like an end... without proleague korean sc2 scene will die out eventually. I hear sc2 is quite popular in China though, so maybe there's still hope in the Chinese?
TL+ Member
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
September 03 2016 16:48 GMT
#43
On September 04 2016 01:46 romson87 wrote:
Damn that's sad and really sounds like an end... without proleague korean sc2 scene will die out eventually. I hear sc2 is quite popular in China though, so maybe there's still hope in the Chinese?


I doubt that SC2 is even close to WC3 in China
Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
September 03 2016 16:52 GMT
#44
Welp didnt take long for BW against SC II and where Kespa should go.

The fun thing is, you should set your bets on Overwatch, this game goes bonkers in Korea, it is the only game of the 3 named games by blizzard that earn them money in korea (and big money too).

Neither BW or SC II will gone big anymore, both can exists in their way (BW as a game driven by popular individual streamers with big history) while SC II is pretty much only driven by Blizzard cash and "hey we got this teamhouses and infrastructe, we should use it"

I never played Overwatched since the beta, I dont watch or care about the game, as I am a CS:GOed person, but if Blizzard and Kespa want to go somewhere fresh, with new players, new talents, new (and much more) viewers, they go to Overwatch.
Bomber, Attacker, DD, SOMEBODY, NiKo, Nex, Spidii
Isualin
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1903 Posts
September 03 2016 16:53 GMT
#45
On September 04 2016 01:46 romson87 wrote:
Damn that's sad and really sounds like an end... without proleague korean sc2 scene will die out eventually. I hear sc2 is quite popular in China though, so maybe there's still hope in the Chinese?

We only had 5-6 good chinese players in ~6 years, i doubt it is popular. They have NSL and GPL with some good prize money though
| INnoVation | The literal god TY | ByuNjwa | LRSL when? |
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-03 16:56:07
September 03 2016 16:55 GMT
#46
On September 04 2016 01:34 BLinD-RawR wrote:
yeah thats why ASL has 3 sponsors.


And that is really cool, but do you think that the people born since 1997 are going to pick BW to play? I love to watch BW dont get me wrong but I just feel that it does not have any appel to young people to play. Starcraft 2? It has sometihng, not as much as other e sports for sure but something.

On September 04 2016 01:44 Ansibled wrote:
In this sub?


In the starcraft section of teamliquid forums I mean.
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
TL+ Member
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16062 Posts
September 03 2016 17:12 GMT
#47
Dunno why you guys are so overly negative.
This means nothing
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-03 17:18:10
September 03 2016 17:17 GMT
#48
On September 03 2016 23:54 brickrd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2016 23:45 Akara12345 wrote:
It's about time. Maybe Brood War will replace it?

itll be interesting if BW makes a comeback. i have no interest in watching it personally, but it would probably create hype that would draw a lot of people in. the problem as i see it is that the BW fanbase would be eating itself inside out - there's almost no chance of drawing in viewers who weren't either around for BW or simply curious enough because of SC2, and that's a limited base. SC2 is fighting a losing battle against other esports, but it at least had its own modern appeal. no one from the current generation is going to want to sit down and watch a game that looks like BW unless the HD remaster is mindblowing

cue a thousand insane BW acolytes telling me how it's the greatest game ever and even in 500 years people will appreciate its beauty, but i'm talking about reality

My first time watching Brood War was in 2009, not long before the SC2 beta came out. Sure, the graphics were completely outdated, but what made me watch a lot of the VODS that GomTV had to offer back in the day was the quality of the cast and the quality of the games played. Flash in SC2 is nothing compared to the monster he was in BW.

It might just appeal to people who are interested in eSports in general, not just a single game.
Gwavajuice
Profile Joined June 2014
France1810 Posts
September 03 2016 17:29 GMT
#49
The end of a season always has signs and talk that resemble to the end of an era, and you can interpret this ending words straight (it's the end of the season) or go "cryptic" and theorycraft and be like : are they announcing the end of all sc2?

Nothing can say one or the other is wrong, so better go for the one that makes more sense : they're just saying the season is other. That doesn't mean sc2 proleague will be there next year though, context seems ominous...
Dear INno and all the former STX boys.
Thouhastmail
Profile Joined March 2015
Korea (North)876 Posts
September 03 2016 17:29 GMT
#50
I`m the one who believes SC2 should be more like BW-ish. But ASL? nay..
"Morality is simply the attitude we adopt towards people we personally dislike"
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
September 03 2016 17:33 GMT
#51
On September 04 2016 02:29 Thouhastmail wrote:
I`m the one who believes SC2 should be more like BW-ish. But ASL? nay..


Whats wrong with ASL?
Thouhastmail
Profile Joined March 2015
Korea (North)876 Posts
September 03 2016 17:36 GMT
#52
On September 04 2016 02:33 Wrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2016 02:29 Thouhastmail wrote:
I`m the one who believes SC2 should be more like BW-ish. But ASL? nay..


Whats wrong with ASL?


[image loading]


Too volatile. See this picture; It`s Ro.4 after Flash dropped. There are 7 people at the venue.


"Morality is simply the attitude we adopt towards people we personally dislike"
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
September 03 2016 17:38 GMT
#53
Bring back hybrid league please.
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
Kaizor
Profile Joined May 2015
Singapore909 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-03 17:49:07
September 03 2016 17:44 GMT
#54
On September 04 2016 02:36 Thouhastmail wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2016 02:33 Wrath wrote:
On September 04 2016 02:29 Thouhastmail wrote:
I`m the one who believes SC2 should be more like BW-ish. But ASL? nay..


Whats wrong with ASL?


[image loading]


Too volatile. See this picture; It`s Ro.4 after Flash dropped. There are 7 people at the venue.




This is a good rebuttal of all the "lets go back to bw" fans.

Sure, there will always be a fanbase for it, but is there any reason to believe that it will do better than sc2 now? Nothing i have seen or read can back that up.

And i think i am part of the group of people who only started watching competitive SC2 and never knew about the competitive BW scene.

If SC2 PL gets dropped and goes back to BW, there is no way i watch it. I am just not interested in it. So you can't even bank on sc2 fans all going back to support the BW scene.
Hit me up if you need chinese translations. soO fighting !!
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6330 Posts
September 03 2016 17:48 GMT
#55
On September 04 2016 01:48 Wrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2016 01:46 romson87 wrote:
Damn that's sad and really sounds like an end... without proleague korean sc2 scene will die out eventually. I hear sc2 is quite popular in China though, so maybe there's still hope in the Chinese?


I doubt that SC2 is even close to WC3 in China

SC2 is, in fact, bigger than WC3 in China in terms of player base and audience right now.
TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
nighcol
Profile Joined January 2012
298 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-03 17:50:53
September 03 2016 17:49 GMT
#56
I'd watch BW Proleague but I'd rate them just ending it more likely than a switch to that. Only really started watching high level BW after I discovered SC2 and getting into it wasn't effortless even though I don't mind the graphics and can see that it's a great game as is SC2.

So yeah, I feel it's most likely that the majority of the people interested in SC2 would not transfer to BW just like the opposite didn't happen in Korea. Tastosis has been able to get somewhat decent viewership for ASL so I guess there's some small hope of retaining an okayish one though.
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
September 03 2016 17:51 GMT
#57
Hybrid Proleague!

BO5: SC, BW, WoL, HoTS & LoTV

gg no re thx
Thouhastmail
Profile Joined March 2015
Korea (North)876 Posts
September 03 2016 17:58 GMT
#58
BTW, SC2 developers must be more responsible for their output.

They should not work that way if they knew there`re people who make a living playing their games. Adept? Seriously?
"Morality is simply the attitude we adopt towards people we personally dislike"
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33584 Posts
September 03 2016 17:59 GMT
#59
OGN should run BW OSL again, while SpoTV does Overwatch & SC2 Proleagues. That's my ideal world.
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States923 Posts
September 03 2016 18:02 GMT
#60
On September 04 2016 02:44 Kaizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2016 02:36 Thouhastmail wrote:
On September 04 2016 02:33 Wrath wrote:
On September 04 2016 02:29 Thouhastmail wrote:
I`m the one who believes SC2 should be more like BW-ish. But ASL? nay..


Whats wrong with ASL?


[image loading]


Too volatile. See this picture; It`s Ro.4 after Flash dropped. There are 7 people at the venue.




This is a good rebuttal of all the "lets go back to bw" fans.

Sure, there will always be a fanbase for it, but is there any reason to believe that it will do better than sc2 now? Nothing i have seen or read can back that up.

And i think i am part of the group of people who only started watching competitive SC2 and never knew about the competitive BW scene.

If SC2 PL gets dropped and goes back to BW, there is no way i watch it. I am just not interested in it. So you can't even bank on sc2 fans all going back to support the BW scene.


lol take 2 of the the most least popular sc2 gamers and tell them to play in ro8 in a game not backed by kespa and blizzard and lets see what happens. I believe the crowd was always this low even during 2009 of bw when some random progamers played
Life is just life
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 13 14 15 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Wardi Open
11:00
#81
WardiTV1004
IndyStarCraft 336
Rex138
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko376
IndyStarCraft 360
Rex 138
ProTech126
Railgan 75
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 8658
Horang2 1521
actioN 501
Hyuk 496
ggaemo 341
Zeus 247
Mind 145
Sea.KH 94
Pusan 90
JYJ 83
[ Show more ]
PianO 71
ToSsGirL 68
[sc1f]eonzerg 41
Movie 40
Shinee 39
Aegong 35
Free 26
Hm[arnc] 23
GoRush 17
soO 17
Rock 17
JulyZerg 15
Bale 15
IntoTheRainbow 13
yabsab 13
Sacsri 10
Terrorterran 8
ajuk12(nOOB) 8
Icarus 5
Dota 2
Gorgc3524
qojqva1539
Counter-Strike
olofmeister6570
fl0m3203
markeloff72
edward66
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor206
Other Games
singsing1729
B2W.Neo752
hiko447
Happy310
crisheroes292
ArmadaUGS90
Sick62
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL14741
Other Games
BasetradeTV2090
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 16
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Adnapsc2 14
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 1
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis1213
• Stunt591
Other Games
• WagamamaTV390
• tFFMrPink 17
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
10h 40m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
20h 40m
PiGosaur Cup
1d 10h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 22h
The PondCast
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
BSL
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
BSL
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Elite League 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W2
IPSL Spring 2026
Escore Tournament S2: W3
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
RSL Revival: Season 5
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.