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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51103 Posts
September 05 2016 05:35 GMT
#221
On September 05 2016 13:57 Wrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2016 13:14 Silvana wrote:
Why are so many people asking for a BW vs SC2 megathread? It's not like you wanna have an honest discussion, all you wanna do is bash the other game and be assholes to their fans without getting banned...


With the mega thread:

- Eliminate any discussion outside the forum by redirecting them there (The ultimate toilet)
- have giggles from reading the posts there.


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Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
September 05 2016 06:55 GMT
#222
On September 05 2016 14:35 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2016 13:57 Wrath wrote:
On September 05 2016 13:14 Silvana wrote:
Why are so many people asking for a BW vs SC2 megathread? It's not like you wanna have an honest discussion, all you wanna do is bash the other game and be assholes to their fans without getting banned...


With the mega thread:

- Eliminate any discussion outside the forum by redirecting them there (The ultimate toilet)
- have giggles from reading the posts there.


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Whats wrong with new ideas?
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51103 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-05 07:15:09
September 05 2016 07:07 GMT
#223
they need to add something.

More importantly they need to be good.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
fluidrone
Profile Blog Joined January 2015
France1478 Posts
September 05 2016 07:26 GMT
#224
If people want something.. it exists.. you have your mega thread right here.. just like others got the
"am i crazy for voting trump" blog going.. asking for more is really weird?!
dyafollow?

On topic: so much off topic :/
"not enough rights"
PPN
Profile Joined August 2011
France248 Posts
September 05 2016 10:17 GMT
#225
So many prophets and doomsayers here.
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-05 11:13:22
September 05 2016 11:13 GMT
#226
On September 05 2016 16:26 fluidrone wrote:
If people want something.. it exists.. you have your mega thread right here.. just like others got the
"am i crazy for voting trump" blog going.. asking for more is really weird?!
dyafollow?

On topic: so much off topic :/


To be fair, the source material is extremely vague and doesn't have any actual value. So naturally the disussion around it will be all over the place.
Shana
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Indonesia1814 Posts
September 05 2016 11:39 GMT
#227
So, dual league just like last bw Proleague?
Believing in what lies ahead. | That which we call a rose, by any other name would smell as sweet.
TaShadan
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany1981 Posts
September 05 2016 12:49 GMT
#228
On September 05 2016 20:39 Shana wrote:
So, dual league just like last bw Proleague?


Oh my god. Please.... not this horror again. I would rather have no league at all.
Total Annihilation Zero
insitelol
Profile Joined August 2012
845 Posts
September 05 2016 13:04 GMT
#229
All this BW hype is just becoming hilarious. Next time you guys should making an assumption based on how stars alligned during bisu stream. And for certain this assumption should be encrypted. Sc2 players mass switching to bw, BW HD incoming and rumors about BW PL, everything can happen while you dream. In reality there is NO reason for any party (kespa/blizzard) to switch Sc2 for BW for PL format or their main title. "BW is bigger than SC2 in korea" is ridiculous and plain wrong statement with no real evidence in the first place. At best they are on par. And don't even start with stream viewership numbers stuff with no kespa players allowed to stream. Save you breath for the day you see Maru/Dark/SoS/hero stream along with bisu and flash. About the technical side of the things: how on earth do you imagine a BW PL w/o a single pro kespa team and even a single kepsa pro player? This "switch" would require an enormous investment and i doubt it's even remotly possible in the nearest future. And for what? Change one B-title for another B-title discipline. Ditching SC2 for BW looks like an awfull and counterintuitive decision for both blizzard and kespa. It's just "not worth it" in a common sense.
Less is more.
FLuE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1012 Posts
September 05 2016 13:18 GMT
#230
On September 05 2016 22:04 insitelol wrote:
All this BW hype is just becoming hilarious. Next time you guys should making an assumption based on how stars alligned during bisu stream. And for certain this assumption should be encrypted. Sc2 players mass switching to bw, BW HD incoming and rumors about BW PL, everything can happen while you dream. In reality there is NO reason for any party (kespa/blizzard) to switch Sc2 for BW for PL format or their main title. "BW is bigger than SC2 in korea" is ridiculous and plain wrong statement with no real evidence in the first place. At best they are on par. And don't even start with stream viewership numbers stuff with no kespa players allowed to stream. Save you breath for the day you see Maru/Dark/SoS/hero stream along with bisu and flash. About the technical side of the things: how on earth do you imagine a BW PL w/o a single pro kespa team and even a single kepsa pro player? This "switch" would require an enormous investment and i doubt it's even remotly possible in the nearest future. And for what? Change one B-title for another B-title discipline. Ditching SC2 for BW looks like an awfull and counterintuitive decision for both blizzard and kespa. It's just "not worth it" in a common sense.


This is very spot on. Although in theory to the hardcore BW lovers this sounds like a way to reinvigorate the General RTS scene without some drastic quality of play changes to BW you'd have trouble pulling in new or casual players, even more so than SC2. BW HD would need to include features like unlimited unit selection, mbs, worker rally, etc to have a shot at appealing to a newer gaming generation and then it will frustrate the die hards.

Not that BW HD couldn't be a cool thing to do but the business strategy makes little sense if it includes some sort of abandonment of any part of SC2. That's admitting failure not something Blizzard likes to do.

I feel either way Blizzard is pushing the eSport part of all of this way too much. If they focused more on investing in the quality of the game the scene would thrive, instead of trying to force an eSport scene while the game itself is lacking.
Thouhastmail
Profile Joined March 2015
Korea (North)876 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-05 13:25:56
September 05 2016 13:23 GMT
#231
On September 05 2016 22:04 insitelol wrote:
I feel either way Blizzard is pushing the eSport part of all of this way too much. If they focused more on investing in the quality of the game the scene would thrive, instead of trying to force an eSport scene while the game itself is lacking.


This. DK is the one who should be responsible for this.
"Morality is simply the attitude we adopt towards people we personally dislike"
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-05 14:37:37
September 05 2016 14:37 GMT
#232
On September 05 2016 22:23 Thouhastmail wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2016 22:04 insitelol wrote:
I feel either way Blizzard is pushing the eSport part of all of this way too much. If they focused more on investing in the quality of the game the scene would thrive, instead of trying to force an eSport scene while the game itself is lacking.


This. DK is the one who should be responsible for this.


For what? DK is a balance designer, nothing more. If he doesn't get the order to redesign the game, he won't do it.
ionONE
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany605 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-05 15:35:37
September 05 2016 15:35 GMT
#233
On September 05 2016 22:04 insitelol wrote: All this BW hype is just becoming hilarious. Next time you guys should making an assumption based on how stars alligned during bisu stream. And for certain this assumption should be encrypted. Sc2 players mass switching to bw, BW HD incoming and rumors about BW PL, everything can happen while you dream. In reality there is NO reason for any party (kespa/blizzard) to switch Sc2 for BW for PL format or their main title. "BW is bigger than SC2 in korea" is ridiculous and plain wrong statement with no real evidence in the first place. At best they are on par. And don't even start with stream viewership numbers stuff with no kespa players allowed to stream. Save you breath for the day you see Maru/Dark/SoS/hero stream along with bisu and flash. About the technical side of the things: how on earth do you imagine a BW PL w/o a single pro kespa team and even a single kepsa pro player? This "switch" would require an enormous investment and i doubt it's even remotly possible in the nearest future. And for what? Change one B-title for another B-title discipline. Ditching SC2 for BW looks like an awfull and counterintuitive decision for both blizzard and kespa. It's just "not worth it" in a common sense.


Well i saw MC streaming on afreeca and twitch simultaneously. In theory you would think he gets lots of viewers (dancing and singing + sc2) The truth is he was averaging about <100 viewers on afreeca, on twitch 500 - 1000. Why is byun, the famous terran player not streaming on afreeca?
JANGBI never forget
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States924 Posts
September 05 2016 16:06 GMT
#234
On September 05 2016 22:04 insitelol wrote:
All this BW hype is just becoming hilarious. Next time you guys should making an assumption based on how stars alligned during bisu stream. And for certain this assumption should be encrypted. Sc2 players mass switching to bw, BW HD incoming and rumors about BW PL, everything can happen while you dream. In reality there is NO reason for any party (kespa/blizzard) to switch Sc2 for BW for PL format or their main title. "BW is bigger than SC2 in korea" is ridiculous and plain wrong statement with no real evidence in the first place. At best they are on par. And don't even start with stream viewership numbers stuff with no kespa players allowed to stream. Save you breath for the day you see Maru/Dark/SoS/hero stream along with bisu and flash. About the technical side of the things: how on earth do you imagine a BW PL w/o a single pro kespa team and even a single kepsa pro player? This "switch" would require an enormous investment and i doubt it's even remotly possible in the nearest future. And for what? Change one B-title for another B-title discipline. Ditching SC2 for BW looks like an awfull and counterintuitive decision for both blizzard and kespa. It's just "not worth it" in a common sense.


they are not even on par. I'm korean and sc2 is completely irrelevant. Afreeca stream pretty much tells rest of the story. The fact that RAIN, one of biggest sc2's star, came to afreeca and got 100 viewers AFTER flash buffed him up with popularity basically summarize sc2's state. Rain chose to not even play sc2 but bw for viewers as well. Idk how you think sc2 is on par. PC bang statistics indicate that bw is 10 times more popular than sc2. (2.5% vs .23%). Afreeca streams also indicate that bw is way more popular because Afreeca is like the "twitch" of korea where all gamers stream.If Maru or Dark streams then they'll get 300 viewers max at best. NO ONE KNOWS WHO THEY ARE IN KOREA. THEY'RE COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT. When life was caught MATCH FIXING, koreans were like WHO IS HE?
Life is just life
palexhur
Profile Joined May 2010
Colombia730 Posts
September 05 2016 16:12 GMT
#235
@insitelol, well the last year BW starleague in OGN (sponsored by Sonic) was top three of the most watched programs on Cable in Korea, and there is a lot of data which in fact support that BW is not only bigger but for a great margin than SC2 in Korea (just use the search funtion on TL dont be lazy). I agree that BW PL revival wouldnt be realistic right now but in reality Blizz has not reason for throwing money in SC2 Korea, and they are doing it, I dont like to say that a game is dead because it is never dead to the people who likes to play it, but SC2 in Korea is a niche inside a niche, get your data clear and make your conclussions.
Thouhastmail
Profile Joined March 2015
Korea (North)876 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-05 16:13:18
September 05 2016 16:12 GMT
#236
On September 06 2016 01:06 Shinokuki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2016 22:04 insitelol wrote:
All this BW hype is just becoming hilarious. Next time you guys should making an assumption based on how stars alligned during bisu stream. And for certain this assumption should be encrypted. Sc2 players mass switching to bw, BW HD incoming and rumors about BW PL, everything can happen while you dream. In reality there is NO reason for any party (kespa/blizzard) to switch Sc2 for BW for PL format or their main title. "BW is bigger than SC2 in korea" is ridiculous and plain wrong statement with no real evidence in the first place. At best they are on par. And don't even start with stream viewership numbers stuff with no kespa players allowed to stream. Save you breath for the day you see Maru/Dark/SoS/hero stream along with bisu and flash. About the technical side of the things: how on earth do you imagine a BW PL w/o a single pro kespa team and even a single kepsa pro player? This "switch" would require an enormous investment and i doubt it's even remotly possible in the nearest future. And for what? Change one B-title for another B-title discipline. Ditching SC2 for BW looks like an awfull and counterintuitive decision for both blizzard and kespa. It's just "not worth it" in a common sense.


they are not even on par. I'm korean and sc2 is completely irrelevant. Afreeca stream pretty much tells rest of the story. The fact that RAIN, one of biggest sc2's star, came to afreeca and got 100 viewers AFTER flash buffed him up with popularity basically summarize sc2's state. Rain chose to not even play sc2 but bw for viewers as well. Idk how you think sc2 is on par. PC bang statistics indicate that bw is 10 times more popular than sc2. (2.5% vs .23%). Afreeca streams also indicate that bw is way more popular because Afreeca is like the "twitch" of korea where all gamers stream.If Maru or Dark streams then they'll get 300 viewers max at best. NO ONE KNOWS WHO THEY ARE IN KOREA. THEY'RE COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT. When life was caught MATCH FIXING, koreans were like WHO IS HE?



Since when 2.68% become 23% ?
[image loading]
"Morality is simply the attitude we adopt towards people we personally dislike"
palexhur
Profile Joined May 2010
Colombia730 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-05 16:16:44
September 05 2016 16:14 GMT
#237
On September 06 2016 01:12 Thouhastmail wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2016 01:06 Shinokuki wrote:
On September 05 2016 22:04 insitelol wrote:
All this BW hype is just becoming hilarious. Next time you guys should making an assumption based on how stars alligned during bisu stream. And for certain this assumption should be encrypted. Sc2 players mass switching to bw, BW HD incoming and rumors about BW PL, everything can happen while you dream. In reality there is NO reason for any party (kespa/blizzard) to switch Sc2 for BW for PL format or their main title. "BW is bigger than SC2 in korea" is ridiculous and plain wrong statement with no real evidence in the first place. At best they are on par. And don't even start with stream viewership numbers stuff with no kespa players allowed to stream. Save you breath for the day you see Maru/Dark/SoS/hero stream along with bisu and flash. About the technical side of the things: how on earth do you imagine a BW PL w/o a single pro kespa team and even a single kepsa pro player? This "switch" would require an enormous investment and i doubt it's even remotly possible in the nearest future. And for what? Change one B-title for another B-title discipline. Ditching SC2 for BW looks like an awfull and counterintuitive decision for both blizzard and kespa. It's just "not worth it" in a common sense.


they are not even on par. I'm korean and sc2 is completely irrelevant. Afreeca stream pretty much tells rest of the story. The fact that RAIN, one of biggest sc2's star, came to afreeca and got 100 viewers AFTER flash buffed him up with popularity basically summarize sc2's state. Rain chose to not even play sc2 but bw for viewers as well. Idk how you think sc2 is on par. PC bang statistics indicate that bw is 10 times more popular than sc2. (2.5% vs .23%). Afreeca streams also indicate that bw is way more popular because Afreeca is like the "twitch" of korea where all gamers stream.If Maru or Dark streams then they'll get 300 viewers max at best. NO ONE KNOWS WHO THEY ARE IN KOREA. THEY'RE COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT. When life was caught MATCH FIXING, koreans were like WHO IS HE?



Since when 2.68% become 23% ?

[image loading]


He says 2.5% for BW and 0.23% for SC2
Thouhastmail
Profile Joined March 2015
Korea (North)876 Posts
September 05 2016 16:19 GMT
#238
On September 06 2016 01:14 palexhur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2016 01:12 Thouhastmail wrote:
On September 06 2016 01:06 Shinokuki wrote:
On September 05 2016 22:04 insitelol wrote:
All this BW hype is just becoming hilarious. Next time you guys should making an assumption based on how stars alligned during bisu stream. And for certain this assumption should be encrypted. Sc2 players mass switching to bw, BW HD incoming and rumors about BW PL, everything can happen while you dream. In reality there is NO reason for any party (kespa/blizzard) to switch Sc2 for BW for PL format or their main title. "BW is bigger than SC2 in korea" is ridiculous and plain wrong statement with no real evidence in the first place. At best they are on par. And don't even start with stream viewership numbers stuff with no kespa players allowed to stream. Save you breath for the day you see Maru/Dark/SoS/hero stream along with bisu and flash. About the technical side of the things: how on earth do you imagine a BW PL w/o a single pro kespa team and even a single kepsa pro player? This "switch" would require an enormous investment and i doubt it's even remotly possible in the nearest future. And for what? Change one B-title for another B-title discipline. Ditching SC2 for BW looks like an awfull and counterintuitive decision for both blizzard and kespa. It's just "not worth it" in a common sense.


they are not even on par. I'm korean and sc2 is completely irrelevant. Afreeca stream pretty much tells rest of the story. The fact that RAIN, one of biggest sc2's star, came to afreeca and got 100 viewers AFTER flash buffed him up with popularity basically summarize sc2's state. Rain chose to not even play sc2 but bw for viewers as well. Idk how you think sc2 is on par. PC bang statistics indicate that bw is 10 times more popular than sc2. (2.5% vs .23%). Afreeca streams also indicate that bw is way more popular because Afreeca is like the "twitch" of korea where all gamers stream.If Maru or Dark streams then they'll get 300 viewers max at best. NO ONE KNOWS WHO THEY ARE IN KOREA. THEY'RE COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT. When life was caught MATCH FIXING, koreans were like WHO IS HE?




Since when 2.68% become 23% ?

[image loading]


He says 2.5% for BW and 0.23% for SC2


Uh, Okay then. my mistake.
"Morality is simply the attitude we adopt towards people we personally dislike"
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
September 05 2016 16:23 GMT
#239
I still would be interested in some fish server stats, if anybody who speaks korean could provide this it would be great (why did you ban winterviewbot -.- )
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Thouhastmail
Profile Joined March 2015
Korea (North)876 Posts
September 05 2016 16:32 GMT
#240
On September 06 2016 01:23 The_Red_Viper wrote:
I still would be interested in some fish server stats, if anybody who speaks korean could provide this it would be great (why did you ban winterviewbot -.- )


we already had a bout about that too.

https://www.fishbattle.io/

6927 players (including adbots), 1397 games.
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