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TheWinks
Profile Joined July 2011
United States572 Posts
May 20 2016 18:21 GMT
#1
Next Week’s Patch/Map Updates
We agree with many of you that because the Swarm Host cost decrease is smaller now, it may be better to not nerf the supply cost right away. We would like to take out the Swarm Host supply cost increase for next week’s patch, but leave everything else the same as we discussed earlier this week. With that in mind, next week we’ll have a patch go out and the map changes will happen as well.

Split feedback from community and KeSPA pros

We’re seeing another complete split in feedback here. Please let us know if we’re wrong about what the major community feedback is regarding Terran, but what we’re seeing is that our community thinks Terran is the weakest race right now. From another angle, we received KeSPA feedback that said Terran is the strongest, Protoss is also too strong and need more nerfs than just the Immortal nerf, and that Zerg is the clear weakest and could use major buffs.

To be clear, this one point of feedback doesn’t say everything, but we definitely wanted to relay the feedback we got from KeSPA to the community so that we can all work towards making Starcraft 2..

Given their stance, KesPA suggested the following nerfs:
1. A Warp Prism nerf
2. An additional nerf to the Liberator’s targeting its anti-ground mode
3. Zerg Larva inject buff back to giving 4 per

Our general thought right now when evaluating the big picture with all of these factors considered is that Terran is the slightly weaker race, and Protoss being the clear strongest race. However, because the next patch is coming out so soon with a bunch of changes, it’s impossible to say for certain exactly where each race will land after the changes go in.

Note that there will also be many changes to maps in the near future to align the map pool to be much more similar to Korea. This will mean that we definitely need to provide players with the time to figure out how these changes shake things up. Ultimately, however, keeping all of this feedback in mind as we go forward can only prove beneficial.

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purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3300 Posts
May 20 2016 18:29 GMT
#2
Hoping KeSPA continues to provide decently specific suggestions and that Blizzard tells us.
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20308 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-20 22:55:10
May 20 2016 18:30 GMT
#3
Note that there will also be many changes to maps in the near future to align the map pool to be much more similar to Korea.


Pretty important if you're balancing tightly around KR results

---------------------------

I'd like to see some acknowledgement of racial representation at the moment as it's quite bad, maybe even the worst in the history of the game. EU has a split of 39% zerg, 35% terran and 24% protoss at masters.

What's the cause of that huge imbalance if protoss is to be considered the strongest race at the highest level of play?

Pre-LOTV the distribution was much better.
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
May 20 2016 18:32 GMT
#4
I'm not surprised at all that KeSPA thinks Terran is the strongest. Of late TvZ has been pretty favourable to Terran in Korea.
PinoKotsBeer
Profile Joined February 2014
Netherlands1385 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-20 18:36:22
May 20 2016 18:34 GMT
#5
4 supply cyclone still going strong .... :D

"terran weakest atm"
lets nerf the lib and increase cyclone supply.
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20308 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-20 18:37:44
May 20 2016 18:35 GMT
#6
On May 21 2016 03:34 PinoKotsBeer wrote:
4 supply cyclone still going strong .... :D


Cyclone was both better and more popular than SH, been killed by more than a couple of all-ins with a few cyclones in them (while playing early stargate PvT) and threatened exactly 0 times by swarmhosts

"terran weakest atm"
lets nerf the lib


I think this is just worded a little confusingly. Terran is strong vs Zerg, but not vs Protoss @ highest level
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Psychobabas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
2531 Posts
May 20 2016 18:36 GMT
#7
My god.... My god....
PinoKotsBeer
Profile Joined February 2014
Netherlands1385 Posts
May 20 2016 18:37 GMT
#8
On May 21 2016 03:35 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2016 03:34 PinoKotsBeer wrote:
4 supply cyclone still going strong .... :D


Cyclone was both better and more popular than SH, been killed by more than a couple of all-ins with a few cyclones in them (while playing early stargate PvT) and threatened exactly 0 times by swarmhosts

True, its good to see more options for zerg. they were very limited.
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Creager
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1906 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-20 18:39:58
May 20 2016 18:39 GMT
#9
Hope they will finally go back on the pick up range of the Warp Prism, that shit is ridiculous.

If Kespa is providing that specific feedback I'd love to see some kind of testmap tournaments where suggested changes are tested so not only Blizzard can look at some data but the community can evaluate as well as provide additional insights. I mean, since we're involved in the process so much now, anyway they surely could be more open about public test stuff and give people some incentive, like that BoX format where players play each map regardless and there are 50 or 100 additional bucks on the line per game, I'd really like that.
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Senkii
Profile Joined December 2012
Hungary37 Posts
May 20 2016 18:43 GMT
#10
I can really see oov's passion in wanting to make soO a champion in that KeSPA feedback.
junkdrop
Profile Joined September 2015
26 Posts
May 20 2016 18:49 GMT
#11
Prism and liberators need the nerf, but im not sure about the larvas guys. honestly, seriously?
aringadingding
Profile Joined September 2010
477 Posts
May 20 2016 18:49 GMT
#12
Joke... a fucking joke.
TheWinks
Profile Joined July 2011
United States572 Posts
May 20 2016 18:51 GMT
#13
The larva revert is probably the dumbest suggestion entertained in any post-beta community feedback update. It is the very definition of a completely game breaking change.
Kaizor
Profile Joined May 2015
Singapore909 Posts
May 20 2016 18:51 GMT
#14
Whatever changes they make to SH, they need to ask this question first.

"Are people going to start using SH after this change?"

For me, i think it's still going to be a big fat "NO".
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Tuczniak
Profile Joined September 2010
1561 Posts
May 20 2016 18:52 GMT
#15
I hope with larva revert we would get closer to ling/bling/muta ZvT which is SC2 at it's best. Although only this change wont be enough.
SNSeigifried
Profile Joined April 2013
United States1640 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-20 18:54:07
May 20 2016 18:53 GMT
#16
I would hope blizzard waits for Code A and SSL Challenge to begin before they do any changes because atm the only games in korea have been bo1s from proleague which aren't the best way to judge balance. We also haven't had bo5+ zvp's since the ssl finals so to say zerg is struggling is hard to support since the only zvp after that was losira vs dear which was a huge skill gap. Need to wait and see Dark/Rogue/soO/Solar play :D. Also zerg seems to be doing quite well in the foreign scene with nerchio barely losing to showtime in spring and hydra winning austin. Also note zerg has been in every lotv final since release except the gsl final.
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B-royal
Profile Joined May 2015
Belgium1330 Posts
May 20 2016 18:54 GMT
#17
On May 21 2016 03:30 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
Note that there will also be many changes to maps in the near future to align the map pool to be much more similar to Korea.


Pretty important if you're balancing tightly around KR results

---------------------------

I'd like to see some acknowledgement of racial representation at the moment, EU has a split of 39% zerg, 35% terran and 24% protoss at masters. What's the cause of that huge imbalance if protoss is to be considered the strongest race at the absolute highest level of play?


It's because masters and grandmasters aren't even close to being "the absolute highest level of play" haha.
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Sogetsu
Profile Joined July 2011
514 Posts
May 20 2016 18:58 GMT
#18
I don't care about SwarmHost but 4 LARVA? Seriously?
That is ridiculous, I hope they don't even try...

I mean "Ok, let's nerf all MM but then let's keep the Zerg one... even more! let's buff it making it stack"

NO, absolutely NOPE.

The other changes are okish for now, they are going in the right direction IMO, except that Larva possible buff which drove me insane when I read about KeSPA suggesting it.
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Glorfindel!
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1815 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-20 19:00:41
May 20 2016 18:59 GMT
#19
On May 21 2016 03:52 Tuczniak wrote:
I hope with larva revert we would get closer to ling/bling/muta ZvT which is SC2 at it's best. Although only this change wont be enough.

Or just faster drones boosting echo to faster Ultras

With Libs getting a hard Nerfhammer aswell, what latr game does Terran have left?
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fireforce7
Profile Joined June 2010
United States334 Posts
May 20 2016 19:01 GMT
#20
I'd like to see the prism nerf personally . Though these changes are a step in the right direction. The larva buff sounds scary because with the faster macro, Zerg would be in an even better position to get out more units on maps with easy golds....
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