• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 04:45
CET 10:45
KST 18:45
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies3ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !10Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! Micro Lags When Playing SC2? When will we find out if there are more tournament Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win
Tourneys
$100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1 RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle soO on: FanTaSy's Potential Return to StarCraft BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Anyone remember me from 2000s Bnet EAST server?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] LB QuarterFinals - Sunday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] WB SEMIFINALS - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Path of Exile General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
The (Hidden) Drug Problem in…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1177 users

Community Feedback Update - May 20

Forum Index > SC2 General
211 CommentsPost a Reply
1 2 3 4 5 9 10 11 Next All
TheWinks
Profile Joined July 2011
United States572 Posts
May 20 2016 18:21 GMT
#1
Next Week’s Patch/Map Updates
We agree with many of you that because the Swarm Host cost decrease is smaller now, it may be better to not nerf the supply cost right away. We would like to take out the Swarm Host supply cost increase for next week’s patch, but leave everything else the same as we discussed earlier this week. With that in mind, next week we’ll have a patch go out and the map changes will happen as well.

Split feedback from community and KeSPA pros

We’re seeing another complete split in feedback here. Please let us know if we’re wrong about what the major community feedback is regarding Terran, but what we’re seeing is that our community thinks Terran is the weakest race right now. From another angle, we received KeSPA feedback that said Terran is the strongest, Protoss is also too strong and need more nerfs than just the Immortal nerf, and that Zerg is the clear weakest and could use major buffs.

To be clear, this one point of feedback doesn’t say everything, but we definitely wanted to relay the feedback we got from KeSPA to the community so that we can all work towards making Starcraft 2..

Given their stance, KesPA suggested the following nerfs:
1. A Warp Prism nerf
2. An additional nerf to the Liberator’s targeting its anti-ground mode
3. Zerg Larva inject buff back to giving 4 per

Our general thought right now when evaluating the big picture with all of these factors considered is that Terran is the slightly weaker race, and Protoss being the clear strongest race. However, because the next patch is coming out so soon with a bunch of changes, it’s impossible to say for certain exactly where each race will land after the changes go in.

Note that there will also be many changes to maps in the near future to align the map pool to be much more similar to Korea. This will mean that we definitely need to provide players with the time to figure out how these changes shake things up. Ultimately, however, keeping all of this feedback in mind as we go forward can only prove beneficial.

Dreamhack Tours
We were so excited to see the Showtime vs Nerchio finals last weekend! It was super interesting how each of the finalists dominated the players in the semi-finals, and then went on to play the closest series. Many of us woke up early in the morning to watch it before work on Monday morning, and it was really awesome seeing such entertaining games! We need to thank the tournament organizers and esports people around the world who worked together to form the amazing changes to WCS this year that really allowed many players to step up their game.


Source
Facebook Twitter Reddit
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3301 Posts
May 20 2016 18:29 GMT
#2
Hoping KeSPA continues to provide decently specific suggestions and that Blizzard tells us.
T P Z sagi
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20322 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-20 22:55:10
May 20 2016 18:30 GMT
#3
Note that there will also be many changes to maps in the near future to align the map pool to be much more similar to Korea.


Pretty important if you're balancing tightly around KR results

---------------------------

I'd like to see some acknowledgement of racial representation at the moment as it's quite bad, maybe even the worst in the history of the game. EU has a split of 39% zerg, 35% terran and 24% protoss at masters.

What's the cause of that huge imbalance if protoss is to be considered the strongest race at the highest level of play?

Pre-LOTV the distribution was much better.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
May 20 2016 18:32 GMT
#4
I'm not surprised at all that KeSPA thinks Terran is the strongest. Of late TvZ has been pretty favourable to Terran in Korea.
PinoKotsBeer
Profile Joined February 2014
Netherlands1385 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-20 18:36:22
May 20 2016 18:34 GMT
#5
4 supply cyclone still going strong .... :D

"terran weakest atm"
lets nerf the lib and increase cyclone supply.
http://www.twitch.tv/pinokotsbeer
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20322 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-20 18:37:44
May 20 2016 18:35 GMT
#6
On May 21 2016 03:34 PinoKotsBeer wrote:
4 supply cyclone still going strong .... :D


Cyclone was both better and more popular than SH, been killed by more than a couple of all-ins with a few cyclones in them (while playing early stargate PvT) and threatened exactly 0 times by swarmhosts

"terran weakest atm"
lets nerf the lib


I think this is just worded a little confusingly. Terran is strong vs Zerg, but not vs Protoss @ highest level
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Psychobabas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
2531 Posts
May 20 2016 18:36 GMT
#7
My god.... My god....
PinoKotsBeer
Profile Joined February 2014
Netherlands1385 Posts
May 20 2016 18:37 GMT
#8
On May 21 2016 03:35 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2016 03:34 PinoKotsBeer wrote:
4 supply cyclone still going strong .... :D


Cyclone was both better and more popular than SH, been killed by more than a couple of all-ins with a few cyclones in them (while playing early stargate PvT) and threatened exactly 0 times by swarmhosts

True, its good to see more options for zerg. they were very limited.
http://www.twitch.tv/pinokotsbeer
Creager
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1920 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-20 18:39:58
May 20 2016 18:39 GMT
#9
Hope they will finally go back on the pick up range of the Warp Prism, that shit is ridiculous.

If Kespa is providing that specific feedback I'd love to see some kind of testmap tournaments where suggested changes are tested so not only Blizzard can look at some data but the community can evaluate as well as provide additional insights. I mean, since we're involved in the process so much now, anyway they surely could be more open about public test stuff and give people some incentive, like that BoX format where players play each map regardless and there are 50 or 100 additional bucks on the line per game, I'd really like that.
... einmal mit Profis spielen!
Senkii
Profile Joined December 2012
Hungary37 Posts
May 20 2016 18:43 GMT
#10
I can really see oov's passion in wanting to make soO a champion in that KeSPA feedback.
junkdrop
Profile Joined September 2015
26 Posts
May 20 2016 18:49 GMT
#11
Prism and liberators need the nerf, but im not sure about the larvas guys. honestly, seriously?
aringadingding
Profile Joined September 2010
479 Posts
May 20 2016 18:49 GMT
#12
Joke... a fucking joke.
TheWinks
Profile Joined July 2011
United States572 Posts
May 20 2016 18:51 GMT
#13
The larva revert is probably the dumbest suggestion entertained in any post-beta community feedback update. It is the very definition of a completely game breaking change.
Kaizor
Profile Joined May 2015
Singapore909 Posts
May 20 2016 18:51 GMT
#14
Whatever changes they make to SH, they need to ask this question first.

"Are people going to start using SH after this change?"

For me, i think it's still going to be a big fat "NO".
Hit me up if you need chinese translations. soO fighting !!
Tuczniak
Profile Joined September 2010
1561 Posts
May 20 2016 18:52 GMT
#15
I hope with larva revert we would get closer to ling/bling/muta ZvT which is SC2 at it's best. Although only this change wont be enough.
SNSeigifried
Profile Joined April 2013
United States1640 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-20 18:54:07
May 20 2016 18:53 GMT
#16
I would hope blizzard waits for Code A and SSL Challenge to begin before they do any changes because atm the only games in korea have been bo1s from proleague which aren't the best way to judge balance. We also haven't had bo5+ zvp's since the ssl finals so to say zerg is struggling is hard to support since the only zvp after that was losira vs dear which was a huge skill gap. Need to wait and see Dark/Rogue/soO/Solar play :D. Also zerg seems to be doing quite well in the foreign scene with nerchio barely losing to showtime in spring and hydra winning austin. Also note zerg has been in every lotv final since release except the gsl final.
Icebound Esports
B-royal
Profile Joined May 2015
Belgium1330 Posts
May 20 2016 18:54 GMT
#17
On May 21 2016 03:30 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
Note that there will also be many changes to maps in the near future to align the map pool to be much more similar to Korea.


Pretty important if you're balancing tightly around KR results

---------------------------

I'd like to see some acknowledgement of racial representation at the moment, EU has a split of 39% zerg, 35% terran and 24% protoss at masters. What's the cause of that huge imbalance if protoss is to be considered the strongest race at the absolute highest level of play?


It's because masters and grandmasters aren't even close to being "the absolute highest level of play" haha.
new BW-player (~E rank fish) twitch.tv/crispydrone || What plays 500 games a season but can't get better? => http://imgur.com/a/pLzf9 <= ||
Sogetsu
Profile Joined July 2011
514 Posts
May 20 2016 18:58 GMT
#18
I don't care about SwarmHost but 4 LARVA? Seriously?
That is ridiculous, I hope they don't even try...

I mean "Ok, let's nerf all MM but then let's keep the Zerg one... even more! let's buff it making it stack"

NO, absolutely NOPE.

The other changes are okish for now, they are going in the right direction IMO, except that Larva possible buff which drove me insane when I read about KeSPA suggesting it.
Raptor: "Es hora de salvar a los E-Sports..." http://i3.minus.com/ibtne3liprtByB.png
Glorfindel!
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1815 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-20 19:00:41
May 20 2016 18:59 GMT
#19
On May 21 2016 03:52 Tuczniak wrote:
I hope with larva revert we would get closer to ling/bling/muta ZvT which is SC2 at it's best. Although only this change wont be enough.

Or just faster drones boosting echo to faster Ultras

With Libs getting a hard Nerfhammer aswell, what latr game does Terran have left?
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/598681/1/Glorfindel/ladder/161337#current-rank
fireforce7
Profile Joined June 2010
United States334 Posts
May 20 2016 19:01 GMT
#20
I'd like to see the prism nerf personally . Though these changes are a step in the right direction. The larva buff sounds scary because with the faster macro, Zerg would be in an even better position to get out more units on maps with easy golds....
I'm terranfying
1 2 3 4 5 9 10 11 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 2h 16m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
DivinesiaTV 49
IndyStarCraft 26
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 13414
Aegong 2362
actioN 288
Shuttle 278
BeSt 212
Soma 129
hero 122
Dewaltoss 109
Killer 102
Leta 73
[ Show more ]
PianO 72
sorry 50
ZergMaN 39
Sacsri 37
soO 35
Mind 34
Stork 32
Rush 31
ajuk12(nOOB) 26
NaDa 25
Barracks 17
GoRush 17
SilentControl 10
JulyZerg 6
Bale 5
Shinee 1
Dota 2
XcaliburYe409
LuMiX1
League of Legends
JimRising 493
C9.Mang0346
Counter-Strike
summit1g7421
shoxiejesuss823
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King208
Other Games
ceh9484
B2W.Neo415
Happy257
Fuzer 84
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick507
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 10
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 49
• LUISG 5
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV1017
League of Legends
• Jankos1477
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Invitational
2h 16m
Gerald vs YoungYakov
Spirit vs MaNa
SHIN vs Percival
Creator vs Scarlett
Replay Cast
23h 16m
WardiTV Invitational
1d 2h
ByuN vs Solar
Clem vs Classic
Cure vs herO
Reynor vs MaxPax
Replay Cast
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Krystianer vs TBD
TriGGeR vs SKillous
Percival vs TBD
ByuN vs Nicoract
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-12-22
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.