EPTI know its kinda silly to go jail for playing a computer game but you have to realize its the same thing as theft. He didn't get jail time for losing on purpose. He got jail time for making money from it, in a country where it is illegal.
Life and Bbyong charged with match-fixing - Page 12
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Latham
9568 Posts
I know its kinda silly to go jail for playing a computer game but you have to realize its the same thing as theft. He didn't get jail time for losing on purpose. He got jail time for making money from it, in a country where it is illegal. | ||
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
On April 22 2016 06:56 Latham wrote: Depends on the country. Whether the country wants to focus on the "punish" aspect of jail or the "correct the behavior" aspect. I know its kinda silly to go jail for playing a computer game but you have to realize its the same thing as theft. He didn't get jail time for losing on purpose. He got jail time for making money from it, in a country where it is illegal. Yeah, their approach is much different, and the view they have after these events is much different. There are interviews with Savior talking about how he couldn't even leave his house because he was so scared following the events and such. It's probably the same for these guys. Really sad about life.. I think people like Bbyong deserve some respect even in lieu of their shit decisions. Another sad set of news though  Wonder what will happen to life's trophies? The games he threw were literally just a cool tournament rather than a code S/proleague so I really feel bad that he did this... tarnishes his whole reputation even tho his skill is obviously so high Literally the best Z player just rekt himself in terms of career opportunity D: | ||
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Shana
Indonesia1814 Posts
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Woosixion
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TwiggyWan
France334 Posts
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vicml21
Canada165 Posts
I don't particularly understand the people asking for him to not be permabanned from Kespa. By 13 I had my priorities straight enough that I would not 1. Needlessly gamble away my earnings. 2. Cheat or otherwise do illegal things for money, especially for something so large scale. Then again, I could be in the minority. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On April 22 2016 06:48 Charoisaur wrote: I don't pretend like he simply left a laddergame. Lifetime ban from sc2 is completely appropiate I just think jail is completely out of place for what he did and I'm disgusted by people who wish him to go to jail. I bet none of you has the slightest clue how it is in jail. That's not something you wish to anyone except he really did something terrible like murder etc. As i said two times already, i don't say he should or should not go to jail for what he did. I simply disagree with the wording of some people as if what he did wasn't bad at all because it's "only a videogame" That pov is imo ridiculous. There are also a lot of crimes you can commit which aren't about violence which still should be punished with jail time, don't you think? | ||
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nath
United States1788 Posts
On April 22 2016 07:24 vicml21 wrote: It's a shame its only a suspended sentence for Life. I assume Kespa bans him for life, which is somewhat reassuring. His punishment should have been harsher (even if not necessarily jail time) given that this time around (unlike the SaviOr incident) everyone knew what was at stake. If he knew all that and still didn't have the morality or common sense to think twice, then he deserves much worse. I don't particularly understand the people asking for him to not be permabanned from Kespa. By 13 I had my priorities straight enough that I would not 1. Needlessly gamble away my earnings. 2. Cheat or otherwise do illegal things for money, especially for something so large scale. Then again, I could be in the minority. you aren't necessarily in the minority. But I can understand the arguments on both sides. Somewhat similar to restorative justice vs punitive justice. Both can work. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On April 22 2016 07:30 The_Red_Viper wrote: As i said two times already, i don't say he should or should not go to jail for what he did. I simply disagree with the wording of some people as if what he did wasn't bad at all because it's "only a videogame" That pov is imo ridiculous. There are also a lot of crimes you can commit which aren't about violence which still should be punished with jail time, don't you think? That's actually a really interesting discussion (your last sentence, I mean). Imo a crime that isn't about violence should, at best as possible, be dealt with while avoiding jail, because the only really useful purpose of jail is to prevent violent criminals from committing violence on anyone who isn't another violent criminal. Basically, jail is here to protect the "innocent" citizens, not to "make people pay" or w/e bullshit. On April 21 2016 23:40 Nerchio wrote: I wouldn't mind a bigger punishment, at least a bigger fine because I hate cheaters. "I hate X so the punishment will be bigger" is not how you do justice. | ||
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HugoBallzak
700 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On April 22 2016 07:37 OtherWorld wrote: That's actually a really interesting discussion (your last sentence, I mean). Imo a crime that isn't about violence should, at best as possible, be dealt with while avoiding jail, because the only really useful purpose of jail is to prevent violent criminals from committing violence on anyone who isn't another violent criminal. Basically, jail is here to protect the "innocent" citizens, not to "make people pay" or w/e bullshit. "I hate X so the punishment will be bigger" is not how you do justice. I don't wanna derail this thread, but i am not sure if i agree with this. Why is the aspect of punishment not valid? Additionaly jail time protects people from other crimes as well, why is only violence "bad enough" to make protection mandatory? Again, not saying Life should go to jail for this (also not saying that he shouldn't go 100% though), just a general thought | ||
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CptMarvel
France236 Posts
That's a lot of money though, really. Can't say I wouldn't have done the same. As for the state of SC2.... LOL User was warned for this post | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On April 22 2016 08:00 The_Red_Viper wrote: I don't wanna derail this thread, but i am not sure if i agree with this. Why is the aspect of punishment not valid? Additionaly jail time protects people from other crimes as well, why is only violence "bad enough" to make protection mandatory? Again, not saying Life should go to jail for this (also not saying that he shouldn't go 100% though), just a general thought First off because violent crimes directly threaten someone's life on short notice, thus the offenders should be absolutely prevented from doing it again ; however, non-violent crimes won't directly threaten someone's life, thus, as most crimes are "systemic", you have more room to focus on fixing the "systemic" bit. If we take a quick look at common non-violent crimes (ignoring prostitution and drugs-related stuff because it's kinda obvious that people don't need protection from Coke Addict #0345 or his dealer), these will be : bribery, tax/financial crimes, and non-violent theft. Seeing this list, you might think that you need to be protected from them : after all, an member of administration who's bribed to, I dunno, put your business down through annoying administrative means can destroy your life in the long term. But here's the thing : bribery and white collar crime usually don't happen alone ; they're not something that appears out of thin air, but a result of a real "culture" of bribery in a given place/profession/group/whatever. Same with white collar crime. The result is that, with jail for things like these, assuming you apply the law equally and indiscriminately, you end up with a whole lot (and I mean a really whole lot) of people in jail, up to the point where you're greatly damaging the efficiency of whatever administrative branch had bribery, for example. Instead, if you consider a systemic approach, by neutralizing the causes of bribery, you'll greatly reduce the damages of bribery, thus reducing the need to protect people from bribery. That doesn't mean that they shouldn't be punished for bribery : that goes through reparative justice and fines. Now, theft is a more complicated beast. The above reasoning basically applies, with "causes for theft" ('cuz ofc thieves wouldn't theft if they could make more money through legal means for the same effort - or the same amount of money for less effort) replacing "culture of bribery". But, you can argue, and I'd recognize that, that thieves can be arrested en masse without affecting the society's productivity. | ||
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Starecat
940 Posts
I never cared about Life (Zerg isn't excting to watch in SC2) but BByong man that was huge for me. On April 21 2016 17:10 BLinD-RawR wrote: I'm starting to wonder if its better off for korean SC2 to be like the WWE With MC as Undertaker. | ||
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Abacus88
10 Posts
All that time playing competitively to now lose the ability to draw an income from SC2 as well as lose the money from the bribes is enough. Sad times for all involved, no winners here. | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On April 22 2016 06:56 Latham wrote: I dont see how its the same as theft. Theft is physically taking other peoples property. This is more akin to fraud, but its fraud within a system that is known (to anyone who's not an abject fool) to be heavily fraudulent. After this scandal, do you think the remains of the scene will be an honourable one? Of course not. The koreans that remain will take money tomorrow just like they did yesterday. And they do that in every single esport, past present and future. I hardly feel defrauded as a viewer that quite a number of games were rigged; I came into the process of viewing knowing that already. Every single person must have. Theres no excuse for naivete. Depends on the country. Whether the country wants to focus on the "punish" aspect of jail or the "correct the behavior" aspect. I know its kinda silly to go jail for playing a computer game but you have to realize its the same thing as theft. He didn't get jail time for losing on purpose. He got jail time for making money from it, in a country where it is illegal. | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
no way? ROFL..... Life... ): | ||
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Snijjer
United States989 Posts
On April 21 2016 17:03 deacon.frost wrote: Which follows what I wrote earlier. Teams want 110 % from players but they cannot protect their health. Gambling addiction is a health issue and what more, makes the player liability to the competition! And nothing happened. PLayers have wrist issues, nobody cares. Players are slaves(hey, Prime) and nobody cares. Players throw a map here and there and KeSPA lose their mind. WTF? Am I the only one who see a HUGE problem in it? I agree with you completely. Teams are really concerned with making the most money they can out of these kids and when something goes wrong they throw them under the bus. | ||
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ShambhalaWar
United States930 Posts
On April 22 2016 07:07 Shana wrote: Jail time for Life please You'd be a great American, they lock everybody up here. I think it's kind of insane of prosecutors to want a harsher sentence for someone who cheated at a video game, even if gambling is involved. Gambling is a petty crime at best. On April 22 2016 12:58 Snijjer wrote: I agree with you completely. Teams are really concerned with making the most money they can out of these kids and when something goes wrong they throw them under the bus. Good points made. | ||
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phodacbiet
United States1740 Posts
On April 22 2016 13:36 ShambhalaWar wrote: You'd be a great American, they lock everybody up here. I think it's kind of insane of prosecutors to want a harsher sentence for someone who cheated at a video game, even if gambling is involved. Gambling is a petty crime at best. Good points made. Different countries different system. Gambling is illegal there. Not only that, committing fraud to swing a bet in your favor is also huge. 70K USD is a lot of money, whether it be America or Korea. I could see why they want to punish him. But then again, he'll probably just be put on probation for a few years like Savior did. That's getting off pretty lightly to me. At least he's still young. He can still go to college and do stuff with his life. Although given how Korean shaming system works, his family wont be able to show their face in a while. Oh well, such is life. | ||
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