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MaximilianKohler
Profile Joined August 2011
122 Posts
April 23 2016 10:25 GMT
#261
Will life still be able to play in other tournaments like the GSL?

It would be such a horrible loss for SC2 if arguably the best player was gone forever.
masters zerg
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-23 10:30:09
April 23 2016 10:30 GMT
#262
On April 23 2016 19:25 MaximilianKohler wrote:
Will life still be able to play in other tournaments like the GSL?

It would be such a horrible loss for SC2 if arguably the best player was gone forever.

i dont think getting rid of a person fixing game results in tournaments and actively harming the integrity of the scene is any loss at all
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
April 23 2016 10:51 GMT
#263
On April 23 2016 19:30 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2016 19:25 MaximilianKohler wrote:
Will life still be able to play in other tournaments like the GSL?

It would be such a horrible loss for SC2 if arguably the best player was gone forever.

i dont think getting rid of a person fixing game results in tournaments and actively harming the integrity of the scene is any loss at all

Will you say the same when we'll discover that there are much, much more than 4 progamers involved?
Used Sigs - New Sigs - Cheap Sigs - Buy the Best Cheap Sig near You at www.cheapsigforsale.com
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-23 11:09:39
April 23 2016 11:09 GMT
#264
On April 23 2016 19:51 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2016 19:30 Ej_ wrote:
On April 23 2016 19:25 MaximilianKohler wrote:
Will life still be able to play in other tournaments like the GSL?

It would be such a horrible loss for SC2 if arguably the best player was gone forever.

i dont think getting rid of a person fixing game results in tournaments and actively harming the integrity of the scene is any loss at all

Will you say the same when we'll discover that there are much, much more than 4 progamers involved?

Yes. If you don't excuse PRIME who were basically forced to sell games, why would you excuse anyone else?
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium3998 Posts
April 23 2016 11:23 GMT
#265
On April 23 2016 19:51 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2016 19:30 Ej_ wrote:
On April 23 2016 19:25 MaximilianKohler wrote:
Will life still be able to play in other tournaments like the GSL?

It would be such a horrible loss for SC2 if arguably the best player was gone forever.

i dont think getting rid of a person fixing game results in tournaments and actively harming the integrity of the scene is any loss at all

Will you say the same when we'll discover that there are much, much more than 4 progamers involved?


Definitely. There should be no tolerance to this, regardless of how many persons are involved.
Drone is a way of living
Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
April 23 2016 11:44 GMT
#266
Quite lenient punishment for Life. I can only assume he never gets to play an official game again, though, which is well deserved.
Flash | Mvp
raff100
Profile Joined April 2011
498 Posts
April 23 2016 11:48 GMT
#267
Do not worry Life,you are still my SC2 GOD
Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
April 23 2016 11:59 GMT
#268
On April 23 2016 19:25 MaximilianKohler wrote:
Will life still be able to play in other tournaments like the GSL?

It would be such a horrible loss for SC2 if arguably the best player was gone forever.


I mean, yeah, he'll probably have to play in the qualifier again, but otherwise no bigs, y'know?
Gwavajuice
Profile Joined June 2014
France1810 Posts
April 23 2016 12:08 GMT
#269
On April 23 2016 19:30 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2016 19:25 MaximilianKohler wrote:
Will life still be able to play in other tournaments like the GSL?

It would be such a horrible loss for SC2 if arguably the best player was gone forever.

i dont think getting rid of a person fixing game results in tournaments and actively harming the integrity of the scene is any loss at all



I can't see how Life could play the game again, but saying he's the one harming the integrity of the scene is kinda naive and childish.

Bbyong got, got for loosing one single code A map (which didn't prevent him from qualifying for code S) 30 000 000 wons, which is, if I'm not mistaken, far more than what Code S runner up will get.

The amount of money here is simply crazy, and I don't think being scared of the prosecutor and Korean justice will be enough to stop match fixing.

It's not Life or Bbyong who are damaging the scene's intergrity, it's the whole illegal betting mob in South Korea, and it won't stop just because Life and Bbyong are banned forever.

At this point, I wondering if Blizzard's decision to lock region and focus on the foreign scene was not actually the genius move of the year.

Something is rotten in South Korea.
Dear INno and all the former STX boys.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
April 23 2016 12:31 GMT
#270
On April 23 2016 21:08 Gwavajuice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2016 19:30 Ej_ wrote:
On April 23 2016 19:25 MaximilianKohler wrote:
Will life still be able to play in other tournaments like the GSL?

It would be such a horrible loss for SC2 if arguably the best player was gone forever.

i dont think getting rid of a person fixing game results in tournaments and actively harming the integrity of the scene is any loss at all



I can't see how Life could play the game again, but saying he's the one harming the integrity of the scene is kinda naive and childish.

Bbyong got, got for loosing one single code A map (which didn't prevent him from qualifying for code S) 30 000 000 wons, which is, if I'm not mistaken, far more than what Code S runner up will get.

The amount of money here is simply crazy, and I don't think being scared of the prosecutor and Korean justice will be enough to stop match fixing.

It's not Life or Bbyong who are damaging the scene's intergrity, it's the whole illegal betting mob in South Korea, and it won't stop just because Life and Bbyong are banned forever.

At this point, I wondering if Blizzard's decision to lock region and focus on the foreign scene was not actually the genius move of the year.

Something is rotten in South Korea.

im sure life and bbyong were hypnotized by the mob to throw games

because thats not naive
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
April 23 2016 12:42 GMT
#271
On April 23 2016 20:09 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2016 19:51 OtherWorld wrote:
On April 23 2016 19:30 Ej_ wrote:
On April 23 2016 19:25 MaximilianKohler wrote:
Will life still be able to play in other tournaments like the GSL?

It would be such a horrible loss for SC2 if arguably the best player was gone forever.

i dont think getting rid of a person fixing game results in tournaments and actively harming the integrity of the scene is any loss at all

Will you say the same when we'll discover that there are much, much more than 4 progamers involved?

Yes. If you don't excuse PRIME who were basically forced to sell games, why would you excuse anyone else?

Well, be ready to only watch WCS, then. Bribery is most often something systemic/cultural, meaning that it is best to fix the system instead of punishing individual offenders. Just like if you have a whole administration that is corrupt, you'll fix corruption, you won't throw the whole administration in jail. Because then, you don't have anyone to replace them. And the added facts that matchfixing pays that much, and that even one of the best player matchfixed, are a clear sign that we are facing a "cultural" kind of bribery.
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Gwavajuice
Profile Joined June 2014
France1810 Posts
April 23 2016 14:24 GMT
#272
On April 23 2016 21:31 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2016 21:08 Gwavajuice wrote:
On April 23 2016 19:30 Ej_ wrote:
On April 23 2016 19:25 MaximilianKohler wrote:
Will life still be able to play in other tournaments like the GSL?

It would be such a horrible loss for SC2 if arguably the best player was gone forever.

i dont think getting rid of a person fixing game results in tournaments and actively harming the integrity of the scene is any loss at all



I can't see how Life could play the game again, but saying he's the one harming the integrity of the scene is kinda naive and childish.

Bbyong got, got for loosing one single code A map (which didn't prevent him from qualifying for code S) 30 000 000 wons, which is, if I'm not mistaken, far more than what Code S runner up will get.

The amount of money here is simply crazy, and I don't think being scared of the prosecutor and Korean justice will be enough to stop match fixing.

It's not Life or Bbyong who are damaging the scene's intergrity, it's the whole illegal betting mob in South Korea, and it won't stop just because Life and Bbyong are banned forever.

At this point, I wondering if Blizzard's decision to lock region and focus on the foreign scene was not actually the genius move of the year.

Something is rotten in South Korea.

im sure life and bbyong were hypnotized by the mob to throw games

because thats not naive


I must have failed to make myself clear enough, sorry.

What I say is the players are not the problem and you can hit them as hard as you can, you will never solve the match fixing issue.

Actually, fighting illegal betting may require the same kind of process used to fight mafias : guarantee immunity to all players that'll talk and erase their past.

It's the brokers, betters and anyone having an active role approaching and corrupting the players that are the main targets.
Dear INno and all the former STX boys.
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2716 Posts
April 23 2016 18:24 GMT
#273
I honestly think the Marineking vs Byul game warrants re-investigation as well as the San vs Dark game in light of Life and Bbyong matchfixing, as the MK game was pretty blatant combined with the suspicious line movement, and the San game was the first suspicious game voided by Pinnacle (also both players haven't played since July of 2015).
very illegal and very uncool
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40189 Posts
April 23 2016 18:42 GMT
#274
But seriously, it must be said, that those numbers on fix-sums are quite scary. Now, with such money in play (and heck, i am certain the return on investment was great as well), it's kinda obvious this stuff thrives.

So, what does happen to Korean scene next?
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
April 24 2016 00:38 GMT
#275
On April 24 2016 03:42 lolfail9001 wrote:
But seriously, it must be said, that those numbers on fix-sums are quite scary. Now, with such money in play (and heck, i am certain the return on investment was great as well), it's kinda obvious this stuff thrives.

So, what does happen to Korean scene next?


It is a little alarmig just how much more they got compared to the Prime guys. AFAIK none of the offers for match fixing approached these sums either, nor did Saviors fixing ring.
Fighter
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1531 Posts
April 24 2016 01:38 GMT
#276
Life T__T

He was my favorite zerg...
For Aiur???
Dabble
Profile Joined February 2016
39 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-24 03:46:23
April 24 2016 03:41 GMT
#277
I know Kespa has a zero-tolerance policy towards matchfixing because of how prevalent an issue it was in the past, but I feel like in this case a fine and a suspension would be enough. The games Life threw, in matches he went on to win anyways as many have noted, in my mind falls more along the lines of poor sportsmanship than cheating. Losing one of the best players in the world will cost them more in the long run than if they were to allow him to continue playing.

If a player wanted to cheat gamblers out of money, which also seems like a legitimate concern on some level (even though sports gambling is illegal in Korea), they can do that without receiving payment and would then receive no punishment. Infact, I'm convinced Korean pros do this all the time, doing illogical build orders and building units or buildings at weird timings just to **** with gamblers, without making any money off of it. But this is pure speculation, and has little to do with Life.
flipstar
Profile Joined January 2011
226 Posts
April 24 2016 05:06 GMT
#278
On April 24 2016 12:41 Dabble wrote:
I know Kespa has a zero-tolerance policy towards matchfixing because of how prevalent an issue it was in the past, but I feel like in this case a fine and a suspension would be enough. The games Life threw, in matches he went on to win anyways as many have noted, in my mind falls more along the lines of poor sportsmanship than cheating. Losing one of the best players in the world will cost them more in the long run than if they were to allow him to continue playing.

If a player wanted to cheat gamblers out of money, which also seems like a legitimate concern on some level (even though sports gambling is illegal in Korea), they can do that without receiving payment and would then receive no punishment. Infact, I'm convinced Korean pros do this all the time, doing illogical build orders and building units or buildings at weird timings just to **** with gamblers, without making any money off of it. But this is pure speculation, and has little to do with Life.


I'd say that specially since he is one of the best, he should be made an example of and be out of the game for good. Getting caught should be the eDeath penalty (as I think getting caught on serious stuff in real sports should be)

And I am \ was a "hardcore" life fanboy, and I'm now stuck without anyone too truely root for. :/
necrosexy
Profile Joined March 2011
451 Posts
April 24 2016 07:58 GMT
#279
Life ... you're dead to me t.t
jetsetrez
Profile Joined August 2013
United States2 Posts
April 24 2016 10:07 GMT
#280
So sad that one of my favorite players that brought me so much enjoyment watching over the years will now likely have his amazing feats scrubbed from the record books or taboo to acknowledge. I'm disappointed in his actions, but it saddens me more that he ruined his legacy.

Well, Nestea's SC2 zerg bonjwa status is now undisputed.
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