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Life and Bbyong charged with match-fixing - Page 14
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MaximilianKohler
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It would be such a horrible loss for SC2 if arguably the best player was gone forever. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On April 23 2016 19:25 MaximilianKohler wrote: Will life still be able to play in other tournaments like the GSL? It would be such a horrible loss for SC2 if arguably the best player was gone forever. i dont think getting rid of a person fixing game results in tournaments and actively harming the integrity of the scene is any loss at all | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On April 23 2016 19:30 Ej_ wrote: i dont think getting rid of a person fixing game results in tournaments and actively harming the integrity of the scene is any loss at all Will you say the same when we'll discover that there are much, much more than 4 progamers involved? | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On April 23 2016 19:51 OtherWorld wrote: Will you say the same when we'll discover that there are much, much more than 4 progamers involved? Yes. If you don't excuse PRIME who were basically forced to sell games, why would you excuse anyone else? | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4105 Posts
On April 23 2016 19:51 OtherWorld wrote: Will you say the same when we'll discover that there are much, much more than 4 progamers involved? Definitely. There should be no tolerance to this, regardless of how many persons are involved. | ||
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Ctesias
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raff100
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Popkiller
3415 Posts
On April 23 2016 19:25 MaximilianKohler wrote: Will life still be able to play in other tournaments like the GSL? It would be such a horrible loss for SC2 if arguably the best player was gone forever. I mean, yeah, he'll probably have to play in the qualifier again, but otherwise no bigs, y'know? | ||
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Gwavajuice
France1810 Posts
On April 23 2016 19:30 Ej_ wrote: i dont think getting rid of a person fixing game results in tournaments and actively harming the integrity of the scene is any loss at all I can't see how Life could play the game again, but saying he's the one harming the integrity of the scene is kinda naive and childish. Bbyong got, got for loosing one single code A map (which didn't prevent him from qualifying for code S) 30 000 000 wons, which is, if I'm not mistaken, far more than what Code S runner up will get. The amount of money here is simply crazy, and I don't think being scared of the prosecutor and Korean justice will be enough to stop match fixing. It's not Life or Bbyong who are damaging the scene's intergrity, it's the whole illegal betting mob in South Korea, and it won't stop just because Life and Bbyong are banned forever. At this point, I wondering if Blizzard's decision to lock region and focus on the foreign scene was not actually the genius move of the year. Something is rotten in South Korea. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On April 23 2016 21:08 Gwavajuice wrote: I can't see how Life could play the game again, but saying he's the one harming the integrity of the scene is kinda naive and childish. Bbyong got, got for loosing one single code A map (which didn't prevent him from qualifying for code S) 30 000 000 wons, which is, if I'm not mistaken, far more than what Code S runner up will get. The amount of money here is simply crazy, and I don't think being scared of the prosecutor and Korean justice will be enough to stop match fixing. It's not Life or Bbyong who are damaging the scene's intergrity, it's the whole illegal betting mob in South Korea, and it won't stop just because Life and Bbyong are banned forever. At this point, I wondering if Blizzard's decision to lock region and focus on the foreign scene was not actually the genius move of the year. Something is rotten in South Korea. im sure life and bbyong were hypnotized by the mob to throw games because thats not naive | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On April 23 2016 20:09 Ej_ wrote: Yes. If you don't excuse PRIME who were basically forced to sell games, why would you excuse anyone else? Well, be ready to only watch WCS, then. Bribery is most often something systemic/cultural, meaning that it is best to fix the system instead of punishing individual offenders. Just like if you have a whole administration that is corrupt, you'll fix corruption, you won't throw the whole administration in jail. Because then, you don't have anyone to replace them. And the added facts that matchfixing pays that much, and that even one of the best player matchfixed, are a clear sign that we are facing a "cultural" kind of bribery. | ||
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Gwavajuice
France1810 Posts
On April 23 2016 21:31 Ej_ wrote: im sure life and bbyong were hypnotized by the mob to throw games because thats not naive I must have failed to make myself clear enough, sorry. What I say is the players are not the problem and you can hit them as hard as you can, you will never solve the match fixing issue. Actually, fighting illegal betting may require the same kind of process used to fight mafias : guarantee immunity to all players that'll talk and erase their past. It's the brokers, betters and anyone having an active role approaching and corrupting the players that are the main targets. | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2720 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
So, what does happen to Korean scene next? | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On April 24 2016 03:42 lolfail9001 wrote: But seriously, it must be said, that those numbers on fix-sums are quite scary. Now, with such money in play (and heck, i am certain the return on investment was great as well), it's kinda obvious this stuff thrives. So, what does happen to Korean scene next? It is a little alarmig just how much more they got compared to the Prime guys. AFAIK none of the offers for match fixing approached these sums either, nor did Saviors fixing ring. | ||
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Fighter
Korea (South)1531 Posts
He was my favorite zerg... | ||
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Dabble
39 Posts
If a player wanted to cheat gamblers out of money, which also seems like a legitimate concern on some level (even though sports gambling is illegal in Korea), they can do that without receiving payment and would then receive no punishment. Infact, I'm convinced Korean pros do this all the time, doing illogical build orders and building units or buildings at weird timings just to **** with gamblers, without making any money off of it. But this is pure speculation, and has little to do with Life. | ||
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flipstar
226 Posts
On April 24 2016 12:41 Dabble wrote: I know Kespa has a zero-tolerance policy towards matchfixing because of how prevalent an issue it was in the past, but I feel like in this case a fine and a suspension would be enough. The games Life threw, in matches he went on to win anyways as many have noted, in my mind falls more along the lines of poor sportsmanship than cheating. Losing one of the best players in the world will cost them more in the long run than if they were to allow him to continue playing. If a player wanted to cheat gamblers out of money, which also seems like a legitimate concern on some level (even though sports gambling is illegal in Korea), they can do that without receiving payment and would then receive no punishment. Infact, I'm convinced Korean pros do this all the time, doing illogical build orders and building units or buildings at weird timings just to **** with gamblers, without making any money off of it. But this is pure speculation, and has little to do with Life. I'd say that specially since he is one of the best, he should be made an example of and be out of the game for good. Getting caught should be the eDeath penalty (as I think getting caught on serious stuff in real sports should be) And I am \ was a "hardcore" life fanboy, and I'm now stuck without anyone too truely root for. :/ | ||
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necrosexy
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jetsetrez
United States2 Posts
 Well, Nestea's SC2 zerg bonjwa status is now undisputed. | ||
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