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Life and Bbyong charged with match-fixing - Page 13

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Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
April 22 2016 08:24 GMT
#241
Best way to beat this is to stop betting.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
April 22 2016 08:34 GMT
#242
The main difference between property and violent crimes is that property crimes are usually easily undone. I am really against putting people in jail for just theft or fraud and I am not gonna change it just because it is done so in most parts of the world. Our society does incredibly stupid things 24/7, so "how things are" is no useful guideline for how they should be. Jail is much bigger punishment than most people see it - it's effectively taking away lifetime from you, the only thing you can't buy back or get more of. I for one would be completely devastated by a year in jail and I am not sure that I would be ever able to recover from it. I don't feel like this is what we want to do to people unless it is absolutely necessary.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
April 22 2016 08:48 GMT
#243
On April 22 2016 07:12 Woosixion wrote:
Well the bright side is, Nestea confirmed greatest zerg of all time.


I think Jaedong's got that title locked down.
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
00higgo
Profile Joined May 2013
Australia119 Posts
April 22 2016 10:10 GMT
#244
Coming back to sc2 after a long break only to find my favorite player in Life has been charged for match fixing This is heartbreaking for me and another hit to sc2 as a whole. Sad sad days.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
April 22 2016 11:11 GMT
#245
Well this is depressing.
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Mirrikh
Profile Joined January 2012
Romania105 Posts
April 22 2016 15:13 GMT
#246
Sadly, the offence is not just the money they received it has additional implications. Someone payed them to do this and likely made a lot more money in an illegal way than what was offered to the players. And that also affected a lot of other people that honestly bet money on X winning that game, not knowing it was fixed.

That kind of thing does cause disturbance in the society, for gaming companies, betting companies and regular consumers.
jubil
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2602 Posts
April 22 2016 15:14 GMT
#247
Oh god, not Bbyong too... I liked that guy, I had him on FPL a bunch of times and I liked his playstyle and personality...

Well, at least he deserves some kudos for turning himself in; that's the right thing to do and hopefully it will play a role in convincing others that matchfixing is NOT ok...

Something seriously has to be done with improving the conditions of players so that they are not incentivized to matchfix, and the gambling side more harshly enforced...sad because I think in the abstract having a betting scene is not bad for a sport, but I don't know how much actual, engaged, PLAYING community starcraft has even received due to having betting and it has certainly caused damage with all these scandals...
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SuperHofmann
Profile Joined September 2013
Italy1741 Posts
April 22 2016 16:04 GMT
#248
Are they both banned for ever by KeSPA?
Vasacast always in my <3
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10721 Posts
April 22 2016 16:34 GMT
#249
Sad, damn match fixing killing ESPORTS.
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digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6331 Posts
April 22 2016 16:54 GMT
#250
On April 23 2016 01:04 SuperHofmann wrote:
Are they both banned for ever by KeSPA?

Safe to assume so.
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Prolet
Profile Joined July 2012
United States37 Posts
April 22 2016 20:44 GMT
#251
Wow. Life is such a high profile player in the SC2 scene. Life was my favorite player after Stephano retired...
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
April 22 2016 21:04 GMT
#252
On April 22 2016 20:11 Zealously wrote:
Well this is depressing.

I feel your pain. :/ I was such a die hard Life fan and remained to this day checking TL for Life news and checked brackets just to see how he did. It was agony waiting all this time to hear the result and this was not the result I would have liked to hear. ;~; I guess the kid will learn from the experience, but it's still upsetting.
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SuperHofmann
Profile Joined September 2013
Italy1741 Posts
April 22 2016 21:17 GMT
#253
On April 23 2016 01:54 digmouse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2016 01:04 SuperHofmann wrote:
Are they both banned for ever by KeSPA?

Safe to assume so.

Well I think it too but it wasn't clear in the official statement.
But if YoDa and BboongBboong are permanetly banned Life and Byong are supposed to be the same.
Vasacast always in my <3
50IQdowns
Profile Joined April 2016
2 Posts
April 22 2016 22:17 GMT
#254
Didn't know bbyong had to try to lose. Doesn't he lose naturally?

User was banned for this post.
ShambhalaWar
Profile Joined August 2013
United States930 Posts
April 23 2016 00:02 GMT
#255
On April 22 2016 13:57 phodacbiet wrote:
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On April 22 2016 13:36 ShambhalaWar wrote:
On April 22 2016 07:07 Shana wrote:
Jail time for Life please


You'd be a great American, they lock everybody up here.

I think it's kind of insane of prosecutors to want a harsher sentence for someone who cheated at a video game, even if gambling is involved. Gambling is a petty crime at best.

On April 22 2016 12:58 Snijjer wrote:
On April 21 2016 17:03 deacon.frost wrote:
On April 21 2016 16:59 lichter wrote:
On April 21 2016 16:58 HolydaKing wrote:
On April 21 2016 16:55 lichter wrote:
A better support structure is what is necessary. How do you raise a kid that's earned 400k and then let him squander it all away on vice and gambling?

I heard he gave basically all of his prize money to his parents, not sure if true. So perhaps he wasn't quite that rich.


It's a widely known "secret" that he had gambling problems

It's Mvp that bought his parents a house.

Which follows what I wrote earlier. Teams want 110 % from players but they cannot protect their health. Gambling addiction is a health issue and what more, makes the player liability to the competition! And nothing happened. PLayers have wrist issues, nobody cares. Players are slaves(hey, Prime) and nobody cares. Players throw a map here and there and KeSPA lose their mind. WTF? Am I the only one who see a HUGE problem in it?


I agree with you completely. Teams are really concerned with making the most money they can out of these kids and when something goes wrong they throw them under the bus.


Good points made.


Different countries different system. Gambling is illegal there. Not only that, committing fraud to swing a bet in your favor is also huge. 70K USD is a lot of money, whether it be America or Korea. I could see why they want to punish him. But then again, he'll probably just be put on probation for a few years like Savior did. That's getting off pretty lightly to me. At least he's still young. He can still go to college and do stuff with his life. Although given how Korean shaming system works, his family wont be able to show their face in a while. Oh well, such is life.


99% (or all) systems of gambling are crooked (rigged), so to me all of this is thieves code stuff. And you are right, gambling is illegal there, which I think adds some legitimacy to the punishment, but I certainly do not think it warrants more.

Saying jail is a good place to house people that manipulate gambling, is like saying jail is a good place for a pot head.

You give the former a living wage/good paying job, you give the latter good community/a sport or passion to drive their energy into mastery... You give them both the tools they need to manage and thrive amongst the inner turmoil of the human emotional world.

Teach them a way to exist without having to manage their experience through drugs or gambling.

If you lock them in a cage and forget about them. Years later after you let them out, you will probably find that torture sows dark seeds.
mOOnGLaDe
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia49 Posts
April 23 2016 00:07 GMT
#256
This is really fucking sad god damn it Life
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chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
April 23 2016 00:26 GMT
#257
On April 23 2016 01:54 digmouse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2016 01:04 SuperHofmann wrote:
Are they both banned for ever by KeSPA?

Safe to assume so.


I wonder if they'd give Bbyong a non permanent suspension because he turned himself in. I assume he's banned for life but I could see an exception because he turned himself in.
Brutaxilos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2633 Posts
April 23 2016 00:50 GMT
#258
On April 23 2016 09:26 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2016 01:54 digmouse wrote:
On April 23 2016 01:04 SuperHofmann wrote:
Are they both banned for ever by KeSPA?

Safe to assume so.


I wonder if they'd give Bbyong a non permanent suspension because he turned himself in. I assume he's banned for life but I could see an exception because he turned himself in.

Korea is ruthless man. Don't see that happening.
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thePunGun
Profile Blog Joined January 2016
598 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-23 01:37:06
April 23 2016 01:28 GMT
#259
There was this Marshal on Mar Sara and I remember one time I heard him say: "We all got our choices to make."

Only this time it wasn't Tychus, but Life, who "made a deal with the devil, Jimmy!"

edit:
The lessons one can learn from the WoL campaign....were not for Life...sadly
"You cannot teach a man anything, you can only help him find it within himself."
TomInKorea
Profile Joined April 2016
Korea (South)39 Posts
April 23 2016 10:19 GMT
#260
On April 23 2016 09:26 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2016 01:54 digmouse wrote:
On April 23 2016 01:04 SuperHofmann wrote:
Are they both banned for ever by KeSPA?

Safe to assume so.


I wonder if they'd give Bbyong a non permanent suspension because he turned himself in. I assume he's banned for life but I could see an exception because he turned himself in.


No exception, as some form of suspension is necessary regardless of turning himself in. A lessened suspension would probably be best though.
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