reopened because some new stuff came up: life already sentenced back in january etc
On April 21 2016 15:15 Waxangel wrote:According to Yonhap news (source), Life was found guilty and received a sentence of eighteen months in prison, suspended by three years. A suspended sentence in Korea is similar to pre-emptive probation, with the convicted parties not required to serve their original sentence should they pass the probationary period without infractions. Life was also fined 70,000,000 won, the sum of his compensation for match-fixing.
Life's sentencing is in line with the sentencing from the PRIME match fixing scandal, the Changwon Prosecutor's Office first investigation into match-fixing. Yonhap news reports that prosecutors have appealed the sentencing for being inappropriate, presumably seeking harsher punishment.
Bbyong has also been charged with obstruction of business and receiving bribes, but has yet to receive sentencing.
On April 21 2016 23:15 Nerchio wrote: So Life basically has no punishment except not being able to play starcraft? He only needed to pay the fine equal to the money he got for matchfixing
You really expected effective jail time for match-fix? It's not like he murdered someone, don't you think?
On April 21 2016 17:22 Incognoto wrote: Pray tell me how you're supposed to quit smoking without not lighting cigarrettes?
The person doing the heavy lifting when it comes to stopping addiction at all is always the person who is addicted in the first place. They should have the common sense to know that it's an issue and go out of their way to seek help when they need it. The same thing applies to depression or any other addiction.
Don't blame your doctor because you have cancer because you smoke, don't blame KeSPA because Life possibly gambled away his earnings.
Don't blame anyone because you're too fucking stupid to know not to start drugs or gambling.
Do go out of your way to seek help to break an addiction.
Do NOT blame others because you have an addiction.
Either way this is off topic and irrelevant to the topic at hand. Would be better to remain on topic.
Spews off topic ignorance. Claims its off topic and irrelevant in own post so nobody can correct you. Classic
On April 21 2016 23:15 Nerchio wrote: So Life basically has no punishment except not being able to play starcraft? He only needed to pay the fine equal to the money he got for matchfixing
You really expected effective jail time for match-fix? It's not like he murdered someone, don't you think?
I wouldn't mind a bigger punishment, at least a bigger fine because I hate cheaters.
On April 21 2016 23:15 Nerchio wrote: So Life basically has no punishment except not being able to play starcraft? He only needed to pay the fine equal to the money he got for matchfixing
Don't you think that's enough of a punishment? Starcraft was all he knew and loved and now he's banned from that, probably lost all his progamer friends and now has to basically start a new life from scratch. I really feel sorry for him despite what he did.
On April 21 2016 23:15 Nerchio wrote: So Life basically has no punishment except not being able to play starcraft? He only needed to pay the fine equal to the money he got for matchfixing
You really expected effective jail time for match-fix? It's not like he murdered someone, don't you think?
I wouldn't mind a bigger punishment, at least a bigger fine because I hate cheaters.
he also is very young, and has been under the influence of the true bad guys here who are the brokers and financial backers. this is not an excuse, but if justice says it is, then good for him.
Too bad :/ Still this doesn't change the fact that Life is the best player sc2 has ever seen to this point. He made a silly mistake and gets the punishment for it (never be able to play again) but all he did till this point still has value. Life still GOAT material imo.
edit: Bbyong as well though, and i wished him luck for his "health issues" -.-
On April 21 2016 23:15 Nerchio wrote: So Life basically has no punishment except not being able to play starcraft? He only needed to pay the fine equal to the money he got for matchfixing
Don't you think that's enough of a punishment? Starcraft was all he knew and loved and now he's banned from that, probably lost all his progamer friends and now has to basically start a new life from scratch. I really feel sorry for him despite what he did.
If he loved StarCraft enough he wouldn't have matchfix. He should know well enough that this scandal is going to deal a hard blow to the the honesty and market ability of this game
On April 21 2016 23:15 Nerchio wrote: So Life basically has no punishment except not being able to play starcraft? He only needed to pay the fine equal to the money he got for matchfixing
You really expected effective jail time for match-fix? It's not like he murdered someone, don't you think?
I wouldn't mind a bigger punishment, at least a bigger fine because I hate cheaters.
KESPA can still go for a civil process against Life and try to get some money for the damage life has done to the scene. But it is unlikely, first because it is hard to judge if and how much damage such a matchfixer did to the scene as also KESPA has a special intereset in getting this done and dusted and not fight infront of a judge for the next months.
The punishment he got is about what to expect. It is likely that due to his gambling adiction Life has not soo much money like you think he has. Also you dont send a 19 year old guy who is first time infront of a judge to a prison, thats just not the way to get him back on track. I hoped for him to get, on top of probation, alot of hours in social service. The state wants him to become once a again a good citizen, not punish him such hard that he just runs again into some criminal shit (like prisons are often breeding cells and universities for criminals). Send him to his army duty, then let him return to some 2nd way education.
We all hate cheaters/matchfixers, but in the end they must be reasonable with their punishment.
On April 21 2016 23:15 Nerchio wrote: So Life basically has no punishment except not being able to play starcraft? He only needed to pay the fine equal to the money he got for matchfixing
Don't you think that's enough of a punishment? Starcraft was all he knew and loved and now he's banned from that, probably lost all his progamer friends and now has to basically start a new life from scratch. I really feel sorry for him despite what he did.
If he loved StarCraft enough he wouldn't have matchfix. He should know well enough that this scandal is going to deal a hard blow to the the honesty and market ability of this game
He's 19. He was 13 during the savior scandal. I doubt he really knew what impact this would have.
On April 21 2016 23:15 Nerchio wrote: So Life basically has no punishment except not being able to play starcraft? He only needed to pay the fine equal to the money he got for matchfixing
Don't you think that's enough of a punishment? Starcraft was all he knew and loved and now he's banned from that, probably lost all his progamer friends and now has to basically start a new life from scratch. I really feel sorry for him despite what he did.
As someone already mentioned, if he really "loved" Starcraft then he wouldn't do this. If anything, lack of punishment might encourage MORE match fixing because he wasn't properly punished so basically people can do this at some point and walk away from Starcraft 2 like nothing happened.
On April 22 2016 00:18 Larkin wrote: Hope Life goes to prison. He was supposed to be one of the faces of SC2 eSports.
Are you serious? Sending a 19 year old to prison because he threw a few games in a computer game. You're ridicolous.
I am not saying that i would send him to prison, but the "oh he is 19 and it's a computer game" reasoning is absurd. 19, so he is an adult and should know what he is doing. A computer game which pays absurd amounts of money, it's a job just as any other job is. This isn't me losing on purpose on ladder, this is a progamer who throws professional matches for money. Let's be reasonable.
On April 22 2016 00:18 Larkin wrote: Hope Life goes to prison. He was supposed to be one of the faces of SC2 eSports.
Are you serious? Sending a 19 year old to prison because he threw a few games in a computer game. You're ridicolous.
I am not saying that i would send him to prison, but the "oh he is 19 and it's a computer game" reasoning is absurd. 19, so he is an adult and should know what he is doing. A computer game which pays absurd amounts of money, it's a job just as any other job is. This isn't me losing on purpose on ladder, this is a progamer who throws professional matches for money. Let's be reasonable.
Oh c'mon, this discussion is ridiculous.
He's 19. It's his first offense. It has low or near to none social danger. The amount of money lost due to his crimes is ridiculously low.
The punishment is actually pretty harsh compared to Czech Republic. Prison doesn't even come to a discussion because of all of what I have wrote up.
+ Both you and Nerchio probably do not know how it looks in prison and don't understand what prison life is about. I have at least insider insight. Prison in this case would have done more harm than good, probably destroyed a young man who could become a valuable member of society(read as has job, family and children and pays taxes)
Anyway, even if he got into prison, by Czech standards he would be able to walk away freely, he could be wearing whatever he wants and basically it would be a long term camp where he can meet a truly "inspiring" people.
C'mon, be reasonable... SC2 isn't the purpose of life () nor the universe.
Did you actually read what i wrote? "I am not saying that i would send him to prison"
But the reasoning of "hey he is only 19 and it's just a videogame" is more than absurd. It isn't just a videogame in the context of Life and 19 is old enough to be responsible for the things you do. That's all i wanted to say.
On April 21 2016 23:15 Nerchio wrote: So Life basically has no punishment except not being able to play starcraft? He only needed to pay the fine equal to the money he got for matchfixing
Don't you think that's enough of a punishment? Starcraft was all he knew and loved and now he's banned from that, probably lost all his progamer friends and now has to basically start a new life from scratch. I really feel sorry for him despite what he did.
As someone already mentioned, if he really "loved" Starcraft then he wouldn't do this. If anything, lack of punishment might encourage MORE match fixing because he wasn't properly punished so basically people can do this at some point and walk away from Starcraft 2 like nothing happened.
That's a romanticized view of the world. "If you loved X you wouldn't do Y" doesn't apply in reality. People love things and people and then they screw up. This is not a cheap Hollywood love flick.
Whatever happens, I hope the punishment fits the crime.
On April 22 2016 01:19 The_Red_Viper wrote: Did you actually read what i wrote? "I am not saying that i would send him to prison"
But the reasoning of "hey he is only 19 and it's just a videogame" is more than absurd. It isn't just a videogame in the context of Life and 19 is old enough to be responsible for the things you do. That's all i wanted to say.
Well that reasoning is actually summing up what I wrote. That the society danger is low, it's his first crime and he has a high chance of fixing himself
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