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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33707 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-21 14:24:15
April 21 2016 13:59 GMT
#181
reopened because some new stuff came up: life already sentenced back in january etc

On April 21 2016 15:15 Waxangel wrote:According to Yonhap news (source), Life was found guilty and received a sentence of eighteen months in prison, suspended by three years. A suspended sentence in Korea is similar to pre-emptive probation, with the convicted parties not required to serve their original sentence should they pass the probationary period without infractions. Life was also fined 70,000,000 won, the sum of his compensation for match-fixing.

Life's sentencing is in line with the sentencing from the PRIME match fixing scandal, the Changwon Prosecutor's Office first investigation into match-fixing. Yonhap news reports that prosecutors have appealed the sentencing for being inappropriate, presumably seeking harsher punishment.

Bbyong has also been charged with obstruction of business and receiving bribes, but has yet to receive sentencing.


AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
April 21 2016 14:15 GMT
#182
So Life basically has no punishment except not being able to play starcraft? He only needed to pay the fine equal to the money he got for matchfixing
Progamer"I am the best" - Nerchio , 2017.
Apoteosis
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile820 Posts
April 21 2016 14:17 GMT
#183
On April 21 2016 23:15 Nerchio wrote:
So Life basically has no punishment except not being able to play starcraft? He only needed to pay the fine equal to the money he got for matchfixing


You really expected effective jail time for match-fix?
It's not like he murdered someone, don't you think?
Life won like 200k and didn't hire a proper criminal lawyer.
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
April 21 2016 14:39 GMT
#184
On April 21 2016 17:22 Incognoto wrote:
Pray tell me how you're supposed to quit smoking without not lighting cigarrettes?

The person doing the heavy lifting when it comes to stopping addiction at all is always the person who is addicted in the first place. They should have the common sense to know that it's an issue and go out of their way to seek help when they need it. The same thing applies to depression or any other addiction.

Don't blame your doctor because you have cancer because you smoke, don't blame KeSPA because Life possibly gambled away his earnings.

Don't blame anyone because you're too fucking stupid to know not to start drugs or gambling.

Do go out of your way to seek help to break an addiction.

Do NOT blame others because you have an addiction.

Either way this is off topic and irrelevant to the topic at hand. Would be better to remain on topic.

Spews off topic ignorance. Claims its off topic and irrelevant in own post so nobody can correct you. Classic
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Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
April 21 2016 14:40 GMT
#185
On April 21 2016 23:17 Apoteosis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2016 23:15 Nerchio wrote:
So Life basically has no punishment except not being able to play starcraft? He only needed to pay the fine equal to the money he got for matchfixing


You really expected effective jail time for match-fix?
It's not like he murdered someone, don't you think?

I wouldn't mind a bigger punishment, at least a bigger fine because I hate cheaters.
Progamer"I am the best" - Nerchio , 2017.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16101 Posts
April 21 2016 14:41 GMT
#186
On April 21 2016 23:15 Nerchio wrote:
So Life basically has no punishment except not being able to play starcraft? He only needed to pay the fine equal to the money he got for matchfixing

Don't you think that's enough of a punishment?
Starcraft was all he knew and loved and now he's banned from that, probably lost all his progamer friends and now has to basically start a new life from scratch.
I really feel sorry for him despite what he did.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
FFgringo
Profile Joined December 2015
44 Posts
April 21 2016 14:44 GMT
#187
On April 21 2016 23:40 Nerchio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2016 23:17 Apoteosis wrote:
On April 21 2016 23:15 Nerchio wrote:
So Life basically has no punishment except not being able to play starcraft? He only needed to pay the fine equal to the money he got for matchfixing


You really expected effective jail time for match-fix?
It's not like he murdered someone, don't you think?

I wouldn't mind a bigger punishment, at least a bigger fine because I hate cheaters.


he also is very young, and has been under the influence of the true bad guys here who are the brokers and financial backers.
this is not an excuse, but if justice says it is, then good for him.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-21 14:55:21
April 21 2016 14:54 GMT
#188
Too bad :/ Still this doesn't change the fact that Life is the best player sc2 has ever seen to this point. He made a silly mistake and gets the punishment for it (never be able to play again) but all he did till this point still has value.
Life still GOAT material imo.


edit: Bbyong as well though, and i wished him luck for his "health issues" -.-
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
NinjaToss
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
Austria1383 Posts
April 21 2016 15:11 GMT
#189
On April 21 2016 23:41 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2016 23:15 Nerchio wrote:
So Life basically has no punishment except not being able to play starcraft? He only needed to pay the fine equal to the money he got for matchfixing

Don't you think that's enough of a punishment?
Starcraft was all he knew and loved and now he's banned from that, probably lost all his progamer friends and now has to basically start a new life from scratch.
I really feel sorry for him despite what he did.

If he loved StarCraft enough he wouldn't have matchfix. He should know well enough that this scandal is going to deal a hard blow to the the honesty and market ability of this game
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Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
April 21 2016 15:18 GMT
#190
Hope Life goes to prison. He was supposed to be one of the faces of SC2 eSports.
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Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-21 15:25:32
April 21 2016 15:23 GMT
#191
On April 21 2016 23:40 Nerchio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2016 23:17 Apoteosis wrote:
On April 21 2016 23:15 Nerchio wrote:
So Life basically has no punishment except not being able to play starcraft? He only needed to pay the fine equal to the money he got for matchfixing


You really expected effective jail time for match-fix?
It's not like he murdered someone, don't you think?

I wouldn't mind a bigger punishment, at least a bigger fine because I hate cheaters.


KESPA can still go for a civil process against Life and try to get some money for the damage life has done to the scene. But it is unlikely, first because it is hard to judge if and how much damage such a matchfixer did to the scene as also KESPA has a special intereset in getting this done and dusted and not fight infront of a judge for the next months.

The punishment he got is about what to expect. It is likely that due to his gambling adiction Life has not soo much money like you think he has. Also you dont send a 19 year old guy who is first time infront of a judge to a prison, thats just not the way to get him back on track. I hoped for him to get, on top of probation, alot of hours in social service. The state wants him to become once a again a good citizen, not punish him such hard that he just runs again into some criminal shit (like prisons are often breeding cells and universities for criminals). Send him to his army duty, then let him return to some 2nd way education.

We all hate cheaters/matchfixers, but in the end they must be reasonable with their punishment.
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16101 Posts
April 21 2016 15:26 GMT
#192
On April 22 2016 00:11 NinjaToss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2016 23:41 Charoisaur wrote:
On April 21 2016 23:15 Nerchio wrote:
So Life basically has no punishment except not being able to play starcraft? He only needed to pay the fine equal to the money he got for matchfixing

Don't you think that's enough of a punishment?
Starcraft was all he knew and loved and now he's banned from that, probably lost all his progamer friends and now has to basically start a new life from scratch.
I really feel sorry for him despite what he did.

If he loved StarCraft enough he wouldn't have matchfix. He should know well enough that this scandal is going to deal a hard blow to the the honesty and market ability of this game

He's 19. He was 13 during the savior scandal. I doubt he really knew what impact this would have.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16101 Posts
April 21 2016 15:30 GMT
#193
On April 22 2016 00:18 Larkin wrote:
Hope Life goes to prison. He was supposed to be one of the faces of SC2 eSports.

Are you serious? Sending a 19 year old to prison because he threw a few games in a computer game.
You're ridicolous.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
April 21 2016 15:55 GMT
#194
On April 21 2016 23:41 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2016 23:15 Nerchio wrote:
So Life basically has no punishment except not being able to play starcraft? He only needed to pay the fine equal to the money he got for matchfixing

Don't you think that's enough of a punishment?
Starcraft was all he knew and loved and now he's banned from that, probably lost all his progamer friends and now has to basically start a new life from scratch.
I really feel sorry for him despite what he did.

As someone already mentioned, if he really "loved" Starcraft then he wouldn't do this. If anything, lack of punishment might encourage MORE match fixing because he wasn't properly punished so basically people can do this at some point and walk away from Starcraft 2 like nothing happened.
Progamer"I am the best" - Nerchio , 2017.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-21 16:03:21
April 21 2016 16:02 GMT
#195
On April 22 2016 00:30 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2016 00:18 Larkin wrote:
Hope Life goes to prison. He was supposed to be one of the faces of SC2 eSports.

Are you serious? Sending a 19 year old to prison because he threw a few games in a computer game.
You're ridicolous.


I am not saying that i would send him to prison, but the "oh he is 19 and it's a computer game" reasoning is absurd.
19, so he is an adult and should know what he is doing. A computer game which pays absurd amounts of money, it's a job just as any other job is. This isn't me losing on purpose on ladder, this is a progamer who throws professional matches for money. Let's be reasonable.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12134 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-21 16:13:20
April 21 2016 16:12 GMT
#196
On April 22 2016 01:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2016 00:30 Charoisaur wrote:
On April 22 2016 00:18 Larkin wrote:
Hope Life goes to prison. He was supposed to be one of the faces of SC2 eSports.

Are you serious? Sending a 19 year old to prison because he threw a few games in a computer game.
You're ridicolous.


I am not saying that i would send him to prison, but the "oh he is 19 and it's a computer game" reasoning is absurd.
19, so he is an adult and should know what he is doing. A computer game which pays absurd amounts of money, it's a job just as any other job is. This isn't me losing on purpose on ladder, this is a progamer who throws professional matches for money. Let's be reasonable.

Oh c'mon, this discussion is ridiculous.

He's 19. It's his first offense. It has low or near to none social danger. The amount of money lost due to his crimes is ridiculously low.

The punishment is actually pretty harsh compared to Czech Republic. Prison doesn't even come to a discussion because of all of what I have wrote up.

+
Both you and Nerchio probably do not know how it looks in prison and don't understand what prison life is about. I have at least insider insight. Prison in this case would have done more harm than good, probably destroyed a young man who could become a valuable member of society(read as has job, family and children and pays taxes)

Anyway, even if he got into prison, by Czech standards he would be able to walk away freely, he could be wearing whatever he wants and basically it would be a long term camp where he can meet a truly "inspiring" people.

C'mon, be reasonable... SC2 isn't the purpose of life () nor the universe.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
April 21 2016 16:19 GMT
#197
Did you actually read what i wrote?
"I am not saying that i would send him to prison"

But the reasoning of "hey he is only 19 and it's just a videogame" is more than absurd. It isn't just a videogame in the context of Life and 19 is old enough to be responsible for the things you do. That's all i wanted to say.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-21 16:20:48
April 21 2016 16:20 GMT
#198
On April 22 2016 00:55 Nerchio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2016 23:41 Charoisaur wrote:
On April 21 2016 23:15 Nerchio wrote:
So Life basically has no punishment except not being able to play starcraft? He only needed to pay the fine equal to the money he got for matchfixing

Don't you think that's enough of a punishment?
Starcraft was all he knew and loved and now he's banned from that, probably lost all his progamer friends and now has to basically start a new life from scratch.
I really feel sorry for him despite what he did.

As someone already mentioned, if he really "loved" Starcraft then he wouldn't do this. If anything, lack of punishment might encourage MORE match fixing because he wasn't properly punished so basically people can do this at some point and walk away from Starcraft 2 like nothing happened.

That's a romanticized view of the world. "If you loved X you wouldn't do Y" doesn't apply in reality. People love things and people and then they screw up. This is not a cheap Hollywood love flick.

Whatever happens, I hope the punishment fits the crime.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3175 Posts
April 21 2016 16:23 GMT
#199
On April 22 2016 00:30 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2016 00:18 Larkin wrote:
Hope Life goes to prison. He was supposed to be one of the faces of SC2 eSports.

Are you serious? Sending a 19 year old to prison because he threw a few games in a computer game.
You're ridicolous.


Are we ignoring the fact that he is considered adult and was participating in an illegal gambling scene with money over $50,000?
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12134 Posts
April 21 2016 16:28 GMT
#200
On April 22 2016 01:19 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Did you actually read what i wrote?
"I am not saying that i would send him to prison"

But the reasoning of "hey he is only 19 and it's just a videogame" is more than absurd. It isn't just a videogame in the context of Life and 19 is old enough to be responsible for the things you do. That's all i wanted to say.

Well that reasoning is actually summing up what I wrote. That the society danger is low, it's his first crime and he has a high chance of fixing himself
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
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