EPTLife and Bbyong charged with match-fixing - Page 9
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Vanadiel
France961 Posts
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Lgnarrow
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Charoisaur
Germany16082 Posts
On April 21 2016 18:11 Para199x wrote: What you have good cause to believe and what you actually act on can have different standards. That's almost the entire point of "innocent until proven guilty" (so governments/courts have the burden of proof and can't just act based on what people believe to be true). Stating it as if you should never even think somebody is most likely guilty until a court has heard the case is missing the point entirely. No that's exactly the point. Think of marineking or that BW guy that got wrongly accused of matchfixing. Wrongly accusing someone of doing a crime can destroy a human. Even if from 100 accusations only 1 people is innocent it's still to much. | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On April 21 2016 18:17 Lgnarrow wrote: Ok, so basically Life should have one more premier tournament win... I guess he didnt expect that Blizzcon 2016 gives double money (and easy opponents in Ro16/new groupstage) | ||
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Wrath
3174 Posts
But Amon solved this problem. They no longer have any excuse! | ||
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Colouss
United States501 Posts
On April 21 2016 18:21 WrathSCII wrote: But Amon solved this problem. They no longer have any excuse! Plot twist : All the Protoss players are actually Purifiers! | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On April 21 2016 18:19 Charoisaur wrote: No that's exactly the point. Think of marineking or that BW guy that got wrongly accused of matchfixing. Wrongly accusing someone of doing a crime can destroy a human. Even if from 100 accusations only 1 people is innocent it's still to much. Then you would have to scrap out complete law system, as more then 1% are apparently innocent in prison. You have to claim that someone is guilty, to atleast get him infront of a court. You can say he is innocent till sentinced by a court (the word "proven doesnt realyl work here, as he will not be proven to be guilty, but a judge will be convinced of his guiltyness by enough evidence). Apparently the prosecutor does not work with "innocent until proven guilty" but with "I see you guilty thanks to this evidence, lets get you infront of a judge". | ||
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sharkie
Austria18679 Posts
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nighcol
298 Posts
On April 21 2016 18:05 Clonester wrote: Oh man, on the same side it is soooo sad... but I couldnt stop laughing after all this "pray for Life" and "innocent until proven guilty!!!!" Get busted, matchfixers! Well, he still isn't convicted but that match vs. Terminator sure looks shady. Not quite as shady as some other stuff we've seen but certainly bad enough. edit: Wait, Life was actually already found guilty? The translated table in a previous comment seems to say so. Life's match vs. Dream that was apparently fixed: | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On April 21 2016 18:15 neurego7647 wrote: Now,this is abstract translation of the table. + Show Spoiler + 1. A(=life)/19/progamer/charge blahblah/ prosecuted with imprisonment -sentence of guilty 2. B/25/broker/charge blahblah/ prosecuted with imprisonment -sentence of guilty 3. C/30/employee of financier/charge blahblah/ prosecuted with imprisonment -sentence of guilty 4. D/41/financier/charge blahblah/ prosecuted with imprisonment -sentence of guilty 5. E/33/financier-former sc progamer-reporter/charge blahblah/ prosecuted without imprisonment-sentence of guilty -----------Bbyong's case----------------------------------- 6. F/25/borker/charge blahblah/ prosecuted with imprisonment 7. G/31/broker/charge blahblah/ prosecuted with imprisonment 8. H/33/financier/charge blahblah/ prosecuted with imprisonment 9. I/31/broker/charge blahblah/ prosecuted with imprisonment 10. J(=Bbyong)/24/progamer/charge blahblah/ prosecuted without imprisonment Bbyong's charge: receive 30million won(=about 25 thousand dollar) from H and K and lose the match deliberatly(business obstruction , malpractice with bribe) Nice, thanks. So no imprisonment for Bbyong. But KeSPA will probably ban him from playing anymore. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23579 Posts
Oh yeah and RIP Life. At this point it does not matter what his punishment from the law will be or what the court decides, no more Life playing sc2. So sad  . | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51084 Posts
On April 21 2016 18:26 HolydaKing wrote: Nice, thanks. So no imprisonment for Bbyong. But KeSPA will probably ban him from playing anymore. I'd be really surprised if they didn't, it'd go against the precedent they set. | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
On April 21 2016 17:03 deacon.frost wrote: Which follows what I wrote earlier. Teams want 110 % from players but they cannot protect their health. Gambling addiction is a health issue and what more, makes the player liability to the competition! And nothing happened. PLayers have wrist issues, nobody cares. Players are slaves(hey, Prime) and nobody cares. Players throw a map here and there and KeSPA lose their mind. WTF? Am I the only one who see a HUGE problem in it? you are 100% right, but unfortunately this kind of reasoning apply everywhere and not particulary here | ||
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Aeromi
France14461 Posts
On April 21 2016 18:27 Musicus wrote: I was really worried about Bbyong, thought he had health issues or something. I did not expect this. At least he came forward, I hope they are not too harsh on him, but I guess he will still be banned for life. Oh yeah and RIP Life. At this point it does not matter what his punishment from the law will be or what the court decides, no more Life playing sc2. So sad .We might see him stream, a famous LoL streamer does that. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16082 Posts
On April 21 2016 18:24 Clonester wrote: Then you would have to scrap out complete law system, as more then 1% are apparently innocent in prison. You have to claim that someone is guilty, to atleast get him infront of a court. You can say he is innocent till sentinced by a court (the word "proven doesnt realyl work here, as he will not be proven to be guilty, but a judge will be convinced of his guiltyness by enough evidence). Apparently the prosecutor does not work with "innocent until proven guilty" but with "I see you guilty thanks to this evidence, lets get you infront of a judge". the court decides who is guilty and who not. not random people like you and me. if the court thinks they have enough evidence to sentence someone that's what counts and has to be accepted. Whether courts all function well or not is another story | ||
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sharkie
Austria18679 Posts
On April 21 2016 16:55 lichter wrote: A better support structure is what is necessary. How do you raise a kid that's earned 400k and then let him squander it all away on vice and gambling? Shouldnt his parents be blamed for this? | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12131 Posts
When he's 24/7 in a team house? | ||
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Circumstance
United States11403 Posts
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NinjaToss
Austria1383 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37096 Posts
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