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On April 08 2016 23:27 Incognoto wrote:
This is why we need kespa to take over the foreign scene
though i'm not gonna lie, the first thought that went through my head when reading the thread title is "marinelord has korean origins?"
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ps deacon, i disagreed with you in the kespa thread but i'm agreeing with you right now. wcs welfare is a fucking joke with joke players who don't know what it means to compete
"win-trading" is also just a pretty word for match-fixing btw
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On April 09 2016 06:19 Hurricaned wrote:
I don't get how this win-trading thing works... If they trade win they also trade losses so their points shouldn't go up?
Against a favored opponent you get more points if you win than you'll end up losing if they beat you. For example, if MLorD and DnS agree that DnS gets 2 wins and MLorD gets 1 on his barcode to make it look realistic, DnS gets a net positive in points. In this case that positive would have been enough to make a difference in the race for top 16.
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Wow, im surprised by the levels of salt.
If punishing people that cheat, fixing an impunity issue in the system is called "inconsistency" then i hope our governments become more inconsistent.
I do feel bad for MarineLorD, that had no bad intentions (if he gave the win/points and took nothing in return), but it must be punished, rules are rules and they are there for a reason. Nobody questioned when the rule to punish win trading was implemented, its only a problem when it hits you or someone you like.
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On April 09 2016 06:31 DonDomingo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2016 06:28 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On April 09 2016 06:18 DonDomingo wrote:
Yet another shameful case of tournament organizers trying to do more than just organizing. Enforcing the rules and preventing cheating is shameful? On April 09 2016 06:19 Hurricaned wrote:
I don't get how this win-trading thing works... If they trade win they also trade losses so their points shouldn't go up? Allegedly MarineLorD was losing games intentionally on one of his smurfs to gift points to DnS so that he'd make it to the top8. "cheating" hahahahahahhahaha guess we see things differently
Gifting someone ladder points in this tournament qualification process is unfair competition and thus cheating. Losing on purpose and wintrading are generally punished in online games. So I'm pretty sure most people don't agree with you. And even if they did, them's the rules.
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Canada11355 Posts
Just another day in modern e-sports
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On April 09 2016 06:20 DonDomingo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2016 04:48 DuckloadBlackra wrote:
Can someone explain how in the world they could possibly know win trading was definitely going on between these 2 guys?
I don't see how it's possible to be sure about this... Weren't you convinced by all the evidence Blizzard made public? + Show Spoiler +what a sad world we live in where transparency is frowned upon ;(
What evidence? I haven't seen any... the whole thread is full of people just accepting it as truth instantly and reacting accordingly (not saying there isn't any, but where the heck is it? and how do you prove this?)
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On April 09 2016 06:53 DuckloadBlackra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2016 06:20 DonDomingo wrote:On April 09 2016 04:48 DuckloadBlackra wrote:
Can someone explain how in the world they could possibly know win trading was definitely going on between these 2 guys?
I don't see how it's possible to be sure about this... Weren't you convinced by all the evidence Blizzard made public? + Show Spoiler +what a sad world we live in where transparency is frowned upon ;( What evidence? I haven't seen any... the whole thread is full of people just accepting it as truth instantly and reacting accordingly (not saying there isn't any, but where the heck is it? and how do you prove this?)
That was my joke. Blizzard hasnt released any evidence because they dont like transparency.
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On April 08 2016 22:48 Seeker wrote:
If you look at the screen from a distance and from an angle, UTHERMAL VS DAYSHI ends up kind of looking like: UTHERMAL VS DAY9!!!
There, there.
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On April 09 2016 05:13 Ensiferum8 wrote:
Good thing I was not planning on watching WCS.
I will stick to my GSL and PL
go TY go!
If all you toxic whiners would actually keep to your words when you say things like this, the WCS tournament threads might actually be worth reading again.
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So they get punished before the investigation is complete? I thought Blizzard was from the US, not from some third-world country.
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On April 09 2016 06:55 DonDomingo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2016 06:53 DuckloadBlackra wrote:On April 09 2016 06:20 DonDomingo wrote:On April 09 2016 04:48 DuckloadBlackra wrote:
Can someone explain how in the world they could possibly know win trading was definitely going on between these 2 guys?
I don't see how it's possible to be sure about this... Weren't you convinced by all the evidence Blizzard made public? + Show Spoiler +what a sad world we live in where transparency is frowned upon ;( What evidence? I haven't seen any... the whole thread is full of people just accepting it as truth instantly and reacting accordingly (not saying there isn't any, but where the heck is it? and how do you prove this?) That was my joke. Blizzard hasnt released any evidence because they dont like transparency.
Haha okay 
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Mute City2363 Posts
The really weird thing that I don't get is that people are trying to justify it by saying Bly got away with it last time round. You can't just say 'oh that's unfair, let's let them off this time as well'. It should've been punished last time, and assuming that their assumptions are right, it should be punished this time
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On April 09 2016 07:46 OtherWorld wrote:
So they get punished before the investigation is complete? I thought Blizzard was from the US, not from some third-world country.
What third world countries do you speak of?
In mine, people simply don't get punished, ever...
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On April 09 2016 08:13 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
The really weird thing that I don't get is that people are trying to justify it by saying Bly got away with it last time round. You can't just say 'oh that's unfair, let's let them off this time as well'. It should've been punished last time, and assuming that their assumptions are right, it should be punished this time
True, and moreover what Bly supposedly did - it's not proven yet - is throwing games to change his seed, and even it's not classy in any way, I don't see why anyone should be banned for this (it happens all the time in real sports and it's not even a good strategy in most case)
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On April 09 2016 07:06 Thax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2016 05:13 Ensiferum8 wrote:
Good thing I was not planning on watching WCS.
I will stick to my GSL and PL
go TY go! If all you toxic whiners would actually keep to your words when you say things like this, the WCS tournament threads might actually be worth reading again.
And if Blizzard ended the stupid region lock we wouldn't have to complain. I don't see that happening either.
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On April 09 2016 08:38 Gwavajuice wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2016 08:13 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
The really weird thing that I don't get is that people are trying to justify it by saying Bly got away with it last time round. You can't just say 'oh that's unfair, let's let them off this time as well'. It should've been punished last time, and assuming that their assumptions are right, it should be punished this time True, and moreover what Bly supposedly did - it's not proven yet - is throwing games to change his seed, and even it's not classy in any way, I don't see why anyone should be banned for this (it happens all the time in real sports and it's not even a good strategy in most case)
While I think I agree in that specific case, it's still a bit murky. What if he got matched against someone who was #17 at the time, who got boosted into the top 16 because of that game? That would turn it into this situation, even if it wasn't a direct agreement between the two, and could even punish the #17 player for something he knew nothing about.
It's too complicated a situation I think to say 'this type of throwing is OK, this type isn't', and it'll just lead to more situations like this in the future where the line is a bit unclear. Best to just try to ban everything I think
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On April 09 2016 06:52 Fecalfeast wrote:Just another day in modern e-sports
Win trading was already à thing back in tsl2
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On April 09 2016 08:43 thecrazymunchkin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2016 08:38 Gwavajuice wrote:On April 09 2016 08:13 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
The really weird thing that I don't get is that people are trying to justify it by saying Bly got away with it last time round. You can't just say 'oh that's unfair, let's let them off this time as well'. It should've been punished last time, and assuming that their assumptions are right, it should be punished this time True, and moreover what Bly supposedly did - it's not proven yet - is throwing games to change his seed, and even it's not classy in any way, I don't see why anyone should be banned for this (it happens all the time in real sports and it's not even a good strategy in most case) While I think I agree in that specific case, it's still a bit murky. What if he got matched against someone who was #17 at the time, who got boosted into the top 16 because of that game? That would turn it into this situation, even if it wasn't a direct agreement between the two, and could even punish the #17 player for something he knew nothing about. It's too complicated a situation I think to say 'this type of throwing is OK, this type isn't', and it'll just lead to more situations like this in the future where the line is a bit unclear. Best to just try to ban everything I think
Would be a shame to ban someone that is not breaking any rules though, wouldn't it?
For the record, ML and DnS case clearly is against the rules as stated in the rule book :
losing a game or match with another player in order to advance one or the other’s rank
What Bly may have do last season may fall under this rule :
Players must compete to the best of their ability at all times. Any form of cheating will not be
tolerated. All players are prohibited from influencing or manipulating a WCS game or match so that the outcome is determined by anything other than its merits.
but again, having someone banned for this would be kind of extreme imho, but that's prolly just me...
I think the main issue is that between Bly(18th) and Happy(8th) there was 11 players within 10 points (1298 to 1308) That's where work as to be done so that the order is not so easily influenced, cause what we're talking about is a mere 2-1 between DnS and ML's barcode for a 31 ladder points benefit...
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My guess is that Blizzard doesn't want to release their evidence because they don't want to advertise the ways in which they can (and possibly cannot) catch someone cheating. They might also not feel the need to release the nitty gritty details because they don't think it's necessary to drag MarineLorD and DnS through the mud.
I don't think it's a faulty accusation because to my knowledge MarineLorD and DnS haven't even tried denying it (correct me if I'm wrong though!)
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