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Starting on Page 7, using the phrase, "Welfare Circus Series/System" will result in mod action. It breeds negativity and it's just generally a stupid thing to say. All in all, please stop discussing the WCS system, this thread is about the disqualification.
Starecat
Profile Joined August 2014
937 Posts
April 09 2016 00:41 GMT
#161
On April 08 2016 23:23 boxerfred wrote:
StarCraft 2016: Best players banned from competing internationally, formerly irrelevant players cheat the fuck out of the system. Good thing Dreamhack features other games.


Sad truth.
:3
Ensiferum8
Profile Joined March 2014
Canada103 Posts
April 09 2016 01:15 GMT
#162
On April 09 2016 07:06 Thax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2016 05:13 Ensiferum8 wrote:
Good thing I was not planning on watching WCS.

I will stick to my GSL and PL

go TY go!

If all you toxic whiners would actually keep to your words when you say things like this, the WCS tournament threads might actually be worth reading again.
I said i would not watch, not stop posting. Sorry if its too hard for you to understand
WCS is a shitty joke, with racist rules. Support players who deserves it instead of foreigner scrubs who dont work half as much as koreans. JUN TAEYANG IS THE BEST <3
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
April 09 2016 02:40 GMT
#163
I saw someone show that Bunny game that lasted 20 seconds right before the cutoff for top 16. No mention of that?? Seems rather dodgy.
Gen.Rolly
Profile Joined September 2011
United States200 Posts
April 09 2016 05:08 GMT
#164
Here's a solution, dismiss the ladder ranking system and go back to old fashion open brackets for these types of qualifying matches. You can't cheat in a bracket system (unless your opponent just really doesnt want to qualify).
Vector locked in.
calippo
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden2525 Posts
April 09 2016 06:38 GMT
#165
just permban them, but i guess Blizzard are too pussy to actually do anything like that.
in it for the game not for the .... - PMS Army. [WUFC-SDK. VIM. PMS]
xtorn
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
4060 Posts
April 09 2016 07:21 GMT
#166
oh wow, my heroes were cheating. What a heartbreak.
Life - forever the Legend in my heart
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
April 09 2016 08:15 GMT
#167
On April 09 2016 07:06 Thax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2016 05:13 Ensiferum8 wrote:
Good thing I was not planning on watching WCS.

I will stick to my GSL and PL

go TY go!

If all you toxic whiners would actually keep to your words when you say things like this, the WCS tournament threads might actually be worth reading again.

Lol
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2749 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-09 09:25:26
April 09 2016 09:22 GMT
#168
On April 09 2016 11:40 Phredxor wrote:
I saw someone show that Bunny game that lasted 20 seconds right before the cutoff for top 16. No mention of that?? Seems rather dodgy.


Bunny is from TL so it could have any suspicious shits around him that it will still be Ok for him. But without any shown evidences, French players can be disqualified, I am not victimizing but clearly, justice is not the same for everyone in Starcraft II and this is very annoying.
What a fucking disgrace to humiliate french community like this. I am not gonna watch this shitty tournament before they give some proofs and I hope that french fans will boycott it too.
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
April 09 2016 09:26 GMT
#169


Decided to make a post to clean up some of the misunderstandings I saw on reddit regarding me vs Shadown close to the end of the ladder tournament: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/4dwe2l/marinelord_and_dns_are_removed_from_wcs/d1v1e37

First off, I want to explain some of the chaos that happened close to midnight.
23:45: The points were insanely close at this time, a single win or loss would be the difference maker for a lot of players. Now at this point the games got very weird. If you're losing a game there's no reason for you to leave, you can hide buildings or turtle on 1 base to drag things out past midnight. Regardless, a lot of players decided to try and get those last few points.

It's true that I got a default win in my match against Shadown, but it wasn't planned nor did I ask him to leave the game. I guess he just thought it would be fun to mess with the standings. After the game he typed "Just because i like you" in chat. Of course this isn't a legit win on my side, but i wasn't even given the chance to play the game. Close to midnight a lot of strange things are bound to happen in a tournament like this.
The morning after, I talked to blizzard about it and sent them the rep of my game vs Shadown. They concluded it wasn't my fault, so I was allowed to play.
Hopefully this clears up the confusion about this match, thank you for reading
Liquipedia"Expert"
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2749 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-09 09:54:44
April 09 2016 09:53 GMT
#170
On April 09 2016 18:26 Inflicted wrote:
https://twitter.com/Liquid_Bunny/status/718717736625532928

Show nested quote +
Decided to make a post to clean up some of the misunderstandings I saw on reddit regarding me vs Shadown close to the end of the ladder tournament: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/4dwe2l/marinelord_and_dns_are_removed_from_wcs/d1v1e37

First off, I want to explain some of the chaos that happened close to midnight.
23:45: The points were insanely close at this time, a single win or loss would be the difference maker for a lot of players. Now at this point the games got very weird. If you're losing a game there's no reason for you to leave, you can hide buildings or turtle on 1 base to drag things out past midnight. Regardless, a lot of players decided to try and get those last few points.

It's true that I got a default win in my match against Shadown, but it wasn't planned nor did I ask him to leave the game. I guess he just thought it would be fun to mess with the standings. After the game he typed "Just because i like you" in chat. Of course this isn't a legit win on my side, but i wasn't even given the chance to play the game. Close to midnight a lot of strange things are bound to happen in a tournament like this.
The morning after, I talked to blizzard about it and sent them the rep of my game vs Shadown. They concluded it wasn't my fault, so I was allowed to play.
Hopefully this clears up the confusion about this match, thank you for reading


Even IF it is what really happened, this is still totally unfair for all the others players.
But I guess some can get free pass and be bordeline... Even if Bunny is not responsible (and I still have some doubts), he should be DQ. This is about fair win for everybody, not freewin but as I said in my previous post, some can get free pass.
Anyway, I am still wraiting for the proofs for the case of DNs and Mlord.
Since 2010; I saw a lot of stupid drama in SC2 but from my pov, this is the worst.
{ToT}ColmA
Profile Joined November 2007
Japan3260 Posts
April 09 2016 10:43 GMT
#171
On April 09 2016 01:04 MalditoKyo wrote:
This is getting ridiculous. Bly did it last year and no one bats an eye...MarineLord and DNS do it this time and they got disqualified. Logic 101 by Blizzard. Nice management!


i don't understand this logic - because they did wrong in the past means they should do wrong in the present/future?
The only virgins in kpop left are the fans
{ToT}ColmA
Profile Joined November 2007
Japan3260 Posts
April 09 2016 10:49 GMT
#172
On April 09 2016 18:53 stilt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2016 18:26 Inflicted wrote:
https://twitter.com/Liquid_Bunny/status/718717736625532928

Decided to make a post to clean up some of the misunderstandings I saw on reddit regarding me vs Shadown close to the end of the ladder tournament: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/4dwe2l/marinelord_and_dns_are_removed_from_wcs/d1v1e37

First off, I want to explain some of the chaos that happened close to midnight.
23:45: The points were insanely close at this time, a single win or loss would be the difference maker for a lot of players. Now at this point the games got very weird. If you're losing a game there's no reason for you to leave, you can hide buildings or turtle on 1 base to drag things out past midnight. Regardless, a lot of players decided to try and get those last few points.

It's true that I got a default win in my match against Shadown, but it wasn't planned nor did I ask him to leave the game. I guess he just thought it would be fun to mess with the standings. After the game he typed "Just because i like you" in chat. Of course this isn't a legit win on my side, but i wasn't even given the chance to play the game. Close to midnight a lot of strange things are bound to happen in a tournament like this.
The morning after, I talked to blizzard about it and sent them the rep of my game vs Shadown. They concluded it wasn't my fault, so I was allowed to play.
Hopefully this clears up the confusion about this match, thank you for reading


Even IF it is what really happened, this is still totally unfair for all the others players.
But I guess some can get free pass and be bordeline... Even if Bunny is not responsible (and I still have some doubts), he should be DQ. This is about fair win for everybody, not freewin but as I said in my previous post, some can get free pass.
Anyway, I am still wraiting for the proofs for the case of DNs and Mlord.
Since 2010; I saw a lot of stupid drama in SC2 but from my pov, this is the worst.


this just gives way to more stupid stuff like the reverse - i dont like him, i am gonna give him a freewin to get him DQ.
The only virgins in kpop left are the fans
Ppjack
Profile Joined March 2015
Belgium489 Posts
April 09 2016 11:12 GMT
#173
"because i like you" ... = freewin

I guess Marinelord did what he did (i'd still like transparency on the proofs) it is because he likes DnS
<;o)
_Croc
Profile Joined August 2013
Norway36 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-09 11:22:18
April 09 2016 11:21 GMT
#174
Hello amigas!

What is a win-trade?
~~ I am so excited for the tank buff ~~
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
April 09 2016 11:26 GMT
#175
On April 09 2016 20:21 _Croc wrote:
Hello amigas!

What is a win-trade?


Match fixing.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-09 11:36:36
April 09 2016 11:36 GMT
#176
On April 09 2016 20:21 _Croc wrote:
Hello amigas!

What is a win-trade?

Exactly what the words mean. Trading wins for wins. I let you win some, you let me win some. Basically, losing on purpose to change ladder rankings.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
DuckloadBlackra
Profile Joined July 2011
225 Posts
April 09 2016 12:13 GMT
#177
Only a couple people seem to care that no proof has been provided? You're just going to blindly accept it as truth?
PPN
Profile Joined August 2011
France248 Posts
April 09 2016 12:19 GMT
#178
On April 09 2016 08:13 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
The really weird thing that I don't get is that people are trying to justify it by saying Bly got away with it last time round. You can't just say 'oh that's unfair, let's let them off this time as well'. It should've been punished last time, and assuming that their assumptions are right, it should be punished this time


I don't think it is justifying Mlord and DnS cheating to say that Bly got away with a variant of that form of cheating last time. And who knows what the others have done without Blizzard noticing? There is a double standard applied. It is even more infuriating when the one benefiting from the standing correction this time is Bly himself. There is enough ambiguity in all iterations of rulebook to have done something yet they did not. The ladder qualification system is already flawed enough and Blizzard seems to struggle with a consistent ruling.

And there is the Bunny case: should he be punished for it like DnS? If Blizzard do not want to do things half-assedly they should ban everyone involved in any kind of discovered arrangement for this season. I am pretty sure they won't.
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
April 09 2016 12:19 GMT
#179
Drama in WCS (which abbrev. would it be kekekek). Who really cares.... Isn't this what we signed up for with this 'improved' system?

Though, is there proof. It seems like the are DQ's on a suspision, which is kinda random.
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
April 09 2016 12:24 GMT
#180
On April 09 2016 18:53 stilt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2016 18:26 Inflicted wrote:
https://twitter.com/Liquid_Bunny/status/718717736625532928

Decided to make a post to clean up some of the misunderstandings I saw on reddit regarding me vs Shadown close to the end of the ladder tournament: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/4dwe2l/marinelord_and_dns_are_removed_from_wcs/d1v1e37

First off, I want to explain some of the chaos that happened close to midnight.
23:45: The points were insanely close at this time, a single win or loss would be the difference maker for a lot of players. Now at this point the games got very weird. If you're losing a game there's no reason for you to leave, you can hide buildings or turtle on 1 base to drag things out past midnight. Regardless, a lot of players decided to try and get those last few points.

It's true that I got a default win in my match against Shadown, but it wasn't planned nor did I ask him to leave the game. I guess he just thought it would be fun to mess with the standings. After the game he typed "Just because i like you" in chat. Of course this isn't a legit win on my side, but i wasn't even given the chance to play the game. Close to midnight a lot of strange things are bound to happen in a tournament like this.
The morning after, I talked to blizzard about it and sent them the rep of my game vs Shadown. They concluded it wasn't my fault, so I was allowed to play.
Hopefully this clears up the confusion about this match, thank you for reading


Even IF it is what really happened, this is still totally unfair for all the others players.
But I guess some can get free pass and be bordeline... Even if Bunny is not responsible (and I still have some doubts), he should be DQ. This is about fair win for everybody, not freewin but as I said in my previous post, some can get free pass.
Anyway, I am still wraiting for the proofs for the case of DNs and Mlord.
Since 2010; I saw a lot of stupid drama in SC2 but from my pov, this is the worst.

Exactly. Either never allow it, or allow it. Don't make exceptions based on arbitraty reasoning.

WCS tho. Refer to the rulebook kekeke
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
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