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Starting on Page 7, using the phrase, "Welfare Circus Series/System" will result in mod action. It breeds negativity and it's just generally a stupid thing to say. All in all, please stop discussing the WCS system, this thread is about the disqualification. | ||
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Ja.Y.
United States253 Posts
I just hope Marinelord doesn't lose his French National spot and is able to play and win the entire thing and look smugly upon Blizzard  Also, if Snute, Nerchio, and Elazer are already qualified for Spring Championship, why are they playing in Challenger? Is it for money? Practice? Because they can? | ||
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Gwavajuice
France1810 Posts
On April 09 2016 01:51 thickertom wrote: Wait a minute. Does MarineLorD still have the opportunity of 2016 WCS Spring Circuit Championship through France National Qualifier? Could FireCake (3rd place) replace him? During 2014 WCS Season 3,  Shana replaced iAsonu due to the same reason and got 17th to 24th through the victory against Crank and Illusion.ML is already qualified, he didn't care about this ladder tournament. Thing is, if the case is proven, I don't see how he wouldn't be banned (and have his career ended cause afaik he'll back to school in september...) | ||
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Gwavajuice
France1810 Posts
On April 09 2016 01:43 SinO[Ob] wrote: Hopefully this site has damn good articles. Because between KoreanFanboys who cant think out of the box and ForeignFanboys, who can't accept the fact that players cheated. This a sad community. Still hope one day people will try to have global vision for SC2... Not only for their entertainement... Well I don't know why this thread derailed into a Korea vs Europe troll war, but personally I'm huge fan of Korean progaming and I don't accept ML cheated yet, there is too many holes in the story. When (if) we hear more about this I may change my mind, though. So all in all, I don't find your comment very relevant. | ||
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WonnaPlay
Netherlands912 Posts
On April 09 2016 00:55 travis wrote: It seems really weird that they disqualified them before they could even explain why. I read through the entire thread and *still* don't understand what is going on or why they were disqualified. It's pretty simple from an investigative point of view. Blizzard won't release these details but i'll explain it in Lehman's terms. The account of MarineLord plays on computer X with MAC address X (identification of your computer). DnS plays on computer Y with MAC address Y. MarineLord logs off on computer X and logs in on a smurf account with the same computer. DnS matches that account and wins points (the games itself are unknown variables). They may have communicated with each other on their accounts, which Blizzard would be able to recover from logs. (this would be immediate 100% proof, IF they have said anything which would prove that). DnS gets top 16 in the last minutes due to this transaction in wins. Marinelords smurf account hasn't played at all this season, yet matched up with DnS either way. Blizzard is able to pull winrates, other chatlogs from main-accounts(this may be their "further investigation"), game-history and other data like "avarage APM" or their usual build orders etc, which could indicate a false game (this is speculation). It is highly probably that Blizzard was able to conclude certain proof from a wide range of data and could immediately take a decision without having to consult the players. | ||
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FFgringo
44 Posts
On April 09 2016 01:51 thickertom wrote: Wait a minute. Does MarineLorD still have the opportunity of 2016 WCS Spring Circuit Championship through France National Qualifier? Could FireCake (3rd place) replace him? During 2014 WCS Season 3, Shana replaced iAsonu due to the same reason and got 17th to 24th through the victory against Crank and Illusion.we don't know yet the case will evolve. For now, they were only banned from challenger, not from the main event, in which MLord already qualified. Wait and see. | ||
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cutler
Germany609 Posts
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Wrath
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Hotshot
Canada184 Posts
On April 09 2016 02:30 WonnaPlay wrote: It's pretty simple from an investigative point of view. Blizzard won't release these details but i'll explain it in Lehman's terms. The account of MarineLord plays on computer X with MAC address X (identification of your computer). DnS plays on computer Y with MAC address Y. MarineLord logs off on computer X and logs in on a smurf account with the same computer. DnS matches that account and wins points (the games itself are unknown variables). They may have communicated with each other on their accounts, which Blizzard would be able to recover from logs. (this would be immediate 100% proof, IF they have said anything which would prove that). DnS gets top 16 in the last minutes due to this transaction in wins. Marinelords smurf account hasn't played at all this season, yet matched up with DnS either way. Blizzard is able to pull winrates, other chatlogs from main-accounts(this may be their "further investigation"), game-history and other data like "avarage APM" or their usual build orders etc, which could indicate a false game (this is speculation). It is highly probably that Blizzard was able to conclude certain proof from a wide range of data and could immediately take a decision without having to consult the players. This is what I am thinking too. In my +10 years of playing Blizzard games ive seen them do many stupid/annoying moves. But I got a feeling there is much more 'proof' behind this decision they have announced. They might even have an automated system that looks at this data (ip, mac, purchased of cd-key, system id, game history,etc, etc) so these accounts can be auto flagged. | ||
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Erugua
13 Posts
DnS gets top 16 in the last minutes due to this transaction in wins. @Wonnaplay If it's the case then it s cheating, but most of your other arguments are not real ones first of all they probably talk about this on skype or smthing, maybe they did the mistake to talk about it during the game but.. would they really do so ? Marinelords smurf account hasn't played at all this season, yet matched up with DnS either way. Don't you see any other reason why he took a smurf after securing top 16 on his main account ? that argument make no sense But anyway I know french pro scene and this is kind of happening everytime, and sometimes it s obvious | ||
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Circumstance
United States11403 Posts
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
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SuperHofmann
Italy1741 Posts
On April 09 2016 03:25 IntoTheheart wrote: Hey guys, I haven't followed this much, but what actually happened in the context of win-trading, did they win-trade for ladder points, or..? for ladder points so they can have a spot in the top16 and being invited in the event | ||
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DuckloadBlackra
225 Posts
I don't see how it's possible to be sure about this... | ||
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Ensiferum8
Canada103 Posts
I will stick to my GSL and PL go TY go! | ||
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oGoZenob
France1503 Posts
On April 09 2016 05:13 Ensiferum8 wrote: Good thing I was not planning on watching WCS. I will stick to my GSL and PL go TY go! Your opinion is very valuable to us. Thanks for sharing ! | ||
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DonDomingo
504 Posts
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Hurricaned
France126 Posts
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DonDomingo
504 Posts
On April 09 2016 04:48 DuckloadBlackra wrote: Can someone explain how in the world they could possibly know win trading was definitely going on between these 2 guys? I don't see how it's possible to be sure about this... Weren't you convinced by all the evidence Blizzard made public? + Show Spoiler + what a sad world we live in where transparency is frowned upon ;( | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 09 2016 06:18 DonDomingo wrote: Yet another shameful case of tournament organizers trying to do more than just organizing. Enforcing the rules and preventing cheating is shameful? On April 09 2016 06:19 Hurricaned wrote: I don't get how this win-trading thing works... If they trade win they also trade losses so their points shouldn't go up? Allegedly MarineLorD was losing games intentionally on one of his smurfs to gift points to DnS so that he'd make it to the top8. | ||
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DonDomingo
504 Posts
On April 09 2016 06:28 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Enforcing the rules and preventing cheating is shameful? Allegedly MarineLorD was losing games intentionally on one of his smurfs to gift points to DnS so that he'd make it to the top8. "cheating" hahahahahahhahaha guess we see things differently | ||
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