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Starting on Page 7, using the phrase, "Welfare Circus Series/System" will result in mod action. It breeds negativity and it's just generally a stupid thing to say. All in all, please stop discussing the WCS system, this thread is about the disqualification.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
April 08 2016 15:55 GMT
#101
It seems really weird that they disqualified them before they could even explain why.

I read through the entire thread and *still* don't understand what is going on or why they were disqualified.
SuperHofmann
Profile Joined September 2013
Italy1741 Posts
April 08 2016 15:56 GMT
#102
Lol
Vasacast always in my <3
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28522 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-08 15:58:54
April 08 2016 15:57 GMT
#103
On April 09 2016 00:36 Silvana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2016 00:30 argonautdice wrote:
On April 09 2016 00:25 Silvana wrote:
On April 09 2016 00:08 Incognoto wrote:
On April 08 2016 23:58 Ppjack wrote:
And that the little princesses of korean scene spit their venom elsewhere, you are neither relevant neither interesting.



Not really.. I actually think this is a prime example to bring back the topic of Korean discrimination to the table.

Just so you're aware, this is a topic which is constantly relevant.

It's absolutely abhorrent that Koreans are not allowed to participate in events which used to be open to all. Now Koreans are not allowed to enter these tournaments on the grounds that foreigners need to be protected.

It's especially interesting that the foreigners who are being protected are also mediocre in their game play (e.g. the welfare comparison, foreigners do not particularly deserve extra opportunities compared to Koreans) and now apparently some of them cheat.

Sorry I'm not going to shut up about it, I want Blizzard to hear what I have to say. I play the game and I watch the game as well as you do. :/


You are damn right. As long as we voice our opinions in appropriate manner, I don't see why we should stfu.

Ironic that people demand us to stop the hate but keep using derogatory remarks.

What about adding Korean slots into the WCS? Would that help? For example right now there are 1 slot for China 1 slot for latin america etc. What if we added 4 slots for Korea? Would that be more "international"?


Imo the system is a mess as a whole. Patching it even more won't solve it. They should work on something else from scratch, with clear and as few rules as possible.

But I don't think Blizzard needs or would accept any ideas, because they like to do things their way. What I do think we must do is to be clear about what we like and what we don't. If I don't like this Korean segregation from the rest of the world but I don't let Blizzard know, they will keep pushing this foreigner privileges more and more...

I would be ok with it if there were more cross over, Koreans vs the rest, tournaments. Preferably the biggest ones.

On April 09 2016 00:55 travis wrote:
It seems really weird that they disqualified them before they could even explain why.

I read through the entire thread and *still* don't understand what is going on or why they were disqualified.

Idd, maybe they have chat logs or something but if so, make it public
I Protoss winner, could it be?
PPN
Profile Joined August 2011
France248 Posts
April 08 2016 16:02 GMT
#104
Banning players for their passport and/or for being good, terrible planning, messy rules, double-standard applied to cheaters. WCS in good hands, no doubt about it.
MalditoKyo
Profile Joined October 2010
France76 Posts
April 08 2016 16:04 GMT
#105
This is getting ridiculous. Bly did it last year and no one bats an eye...MarineLord and DNS do it this time and they got disqualified. Logic 101 by Blizzard. Nice management!
Gwavajuice
Profile Joined June 2014
France1810 Posts
April 08 2016 16:12 GMT
#106
On April 09 2016 01:04 MalditoKyo wrote:
This is getting ridiculous. Bly did it last year and no one bats an eye...MarineLord and DNS do it this time and they got disqualified. Logic 101 by Blizzard. Nice management!


Is it Blizzard or is it dreamhack though? the only official statement came from DH...

Moreover, as far as we know, case is far from being prooved.
Dear INno and all the former STX boys.
Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
April 08 2016 16:13 GMT
#107
On April 09 2016 00:57 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2016 00:36 Silvana wrote:
On April 09 2016 00:30 argonautdice wrote:
On April 09 2016 00:25 Silvana wrote:
On April 09 2016 00:08 Incognoto wrote:
On April 08 2016 23:58 Ppjack wrote:
And that the little princesses of korean scene spit their venom elsewhere, you are neither relevant neither interesting.



Not really.. I actually think this is a prime example to bring back the topic of Korean discrimination to the table.

Just so you're aware, this is a topic which is constantly relevant.

It's absolutely abhorrent that Koreans are not allowed to participate in events which used to be open to all. Now Koreans are not allowed to enter these tournaments on the grounds that foreigners need to be protected.

It's especially interesting that the foreigners who are being protected are also mediocre in their game play (e.g. the welfare comparison, foreigners do not particularly deserve extra opportunities compared to Koreans) and now apparently some of them cheat.

Sorry I'm not going to shut up about it, I want Blizzard to hear what I have to say. I play the game and I watch the game as well as you do. :/


You are damn right. As long as we voice our opinions in appropriate manner, I don't see why we should stfu.

Ironic that people demand us to stop the hate but keep using derogatory remarks.

What about adding Korean slots into the WCS? Would that help? For example right now there are 1 slot for China 1 slot for latin america etc. What if we added 4 slots for Korea? Would that be more "international"?


Imo the system is a mess as a whole. Patching it even more won't solve it. They should work on something else from scratch, with clear and as few rules as possible.

But I don't think Blizzard needs or would accept any ideas, because they like to do things their way. What I do think we must do is to be clear about what we like and what we don't. If I don't like this Korean segregation from the rest of the world but I don't let Blizzard know, they will keep pushing this foreigner privileges more and more...

I would be ok with it if there were more cross over, Koreans vs the rest, tournaments. Preferably the biggest ones.


Given the current state of things, I too think this would be the best thing to do for the rest of the year.

On April 09 2016 00:46 Makro wrote:
do you think we are in a kind of conspiracy ?


It seems I'm missing the joke here Let me guess... is it related to politics??
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
April 08 2016 16:14 GMT
#108
I would imagine that it is true, because marinelord would have protested somewhere by now if it wasn't. But it's still really poor form to remove them without showing why.
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10700 Posts
April 08 2016 16:17 GMT
#109
Umm..... what happened to legit gamers lol..... new schoolers these days -_-
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
HugoBallzak
Profile Joined November 2015
700 Posts
April 08 2016 16:18 GMT
#110
lol they actually use ladder placement as a way to qualify?
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2719 Posts
April 08 2016 16:21 GMT
#111
On April 09 2016 01:18 HugoBallzak wrote:
lol they actually use ladder placement as a way to qualify?

The top 16 of ladder of EU and NA qualify for two 16-man challenger tournaments; the top 2 of challenger qualify for the actually tournament. This only takes up 4 out of the 32 available spots of the main tourney, so I think it's a pretty good idea.
very illegal and very uncool
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-08 16:33:01
April 08 2016 16:26 GMT
#112
This is unfair! So many people criticize the Welfare System in this thread and only one person is banned! While whenever I criticize WCS, I am banned! Where is the justice???
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2719 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-08 16:38:29
April 08 2016 16:36 GMT
#113
On April 09 2016 01:26 Diabolique wrote:
This is unfair! So many people criticize the Welfare System in this thread and only one person is banned! While whenever I criticize WCS, I am banned! Where is the justice???

Well now is your chance! Just repeat what deacon or boxerfred or Incognoto have been saying: e.g. "WCS = Welfare Circus Series", "I'm glad to see this welfare joke is failing", or "I will not stop loudly complaining until Blizzard hears me"

oh, also "Blizzard is racist and discriminatory against Koreans"
very illegal and very uncool
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-08 16:41:41
April 08 2016 16:38 GMT
#114
On April 09 2016 01:36 argonautdice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2016 01:26 Diabolique wrote:
This is unfair! So many people criticize the Welfare System in this thread and only one person is banned! While whenever I criticize WCS, I am banned! Where is the justice???

Well now is your chance! Just repeat what deacon or Incognoto have been saying: e.g. "WCS = Welfare Circus Series", "I'm glad to see this welfare joke is failing", or "I will not stop loudly complaining until Blizzard hears me"

Are u crazy? In the moment, I would write the word "Circus" in my post, some "clowns" would ban me for a month!
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2719 Posts
April 08 2016 16:39 GMT
#115
On April 09 2016 01:38 Diabolique wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2016 01:36 argonautdice wrote:
On April 09 2016 01:26 Diabolique wrote:
This is unfair! So many people criticize the Welfare System in this thread and only one person is banned! While whenever I criticize WCS, I am banned! Where is the justice???

Well now is your chance! Just repeat what deacon or Incognoto have been saying: e.g. "WCS = Welfare Circus Series", "I'm glad to see this welfare joke is failing", or "I will not stop loudly complaining until Blizzard hears me"

Are u crazy? In the moment, I would write the rod "Circus" in my post, some "clowns" would ban me for a month! :-)

dang that's tough, maybe you should use the red nose clownface more like they've been using to imply jest and sarcasm
very illegal and very uncool
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
April 08 2016 16:41 GMT
#116
On April 09 2016 01:39 argonautdice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2016 01:38 Diabolique wrote:
On April 09 2016 01:36 argonautdice wrote:
On April 09 2016 01:26 Diabolique wrote:
This is unfair! So many people criticize the Welfare System in this thread and only one person is banned! While whenever I criticize WCS, I am banned! Where is the justice???

Well now is your chance! Just repeat what deacon or Incognoto have been saying: e.g. "WCS = Welfare Circus Series", "I'm glad to see this welfare joke is failing", or "I will not stop loudly complaining until Blizzard hears me"

Are u crazy? In the moment, I would write the rod "Circus" in my post, some "clowns" would ban me for a month! :-)

dang that's tough, maybe you should use the red nose clownface more like they've been using to imply jest and sarcasm

Good idea, I will find out how and put it back there :-)
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
SinO[Ob]
Profile Joined October 2010
France898 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-08 16:44:06
April 08 2016 16:43 GMT
#117
Hopefully this site has damn good articles. Because between KoreanFanboys who cant think out of the box and ForeignFanboys, who can't accept the fact that players cheated. This a sad community.

Still hope one day people will try to have global vision for SC2... Not only for their entertainement...
Stephano and Clem enjoyer
RaiZ
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
2813 Posts
April 08 2016 16:48 GMT
#118
On April 09 2016 01:04 MalditoKyo wrote:
This is getting ridiculous. Bly did it last year and no one bats an eye...MarineLord and DNS do it this time and they got disqualified. Logic 101 by Blizzard. Nice management!

According to this thread, bly just removed himself from a specific spot to have a better opponent. It probably hasn't changed anything regarding the top 16 players to be qualified.
On the other hand, DNS ? He gets a free 400$ because of a freelose from a fellow friend ? It's clearly not the same degree of violation, and therefore it's probably justified.
Not to mention blizzard probably has more informations about those throwing games than we do. I'd like to think they don't want to show us how they did it in order to prevent any future rigged ladder's matches.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth. Oscar Wilde
thickertom
Profile Joined December 2014
China612 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-08 16:52:44
April 08 2016 16:51 GMT
#119
Wait a minute.
Does MarineLorD still have the opportunity of 2016 WCS Spring Circuit Championship through France National Qualifier?
Could FireCake (3rd place) replace him?
During 2014 WCS Season 3, (Wiki)Shana replaced (Wiki)iAsonu due to the same reason and got 17th to 24th through the victory against (Wiki)Crank and (Wiki)Illusion.
I love SC2
Faefae
Profile Joined June 2014
2203 Posts
April 08 2016 16:58 GMT
#120
That is so stupid to do such a thing. But DH must show proof/strong hint of that happening.
ForGG. 29/11/2014
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