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On April 08 2016 23:48 Gwavajuice wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2016 23:33 boxerfred wrote:On April 08 2016 23:31 Incognoto wrote:On April 08 2016 23:29 boxerfred wrote:On April 08 2016 23:26 deacon.frost wrote:On April 08 2016 23:23 boxerfred wrote: StarCraft 2016: Best players banned from competing internationally, formerly irrelevant players cheat the fuck out of the system. Acknowledge the system by adopting new meaning of the WCS letters. Welfare Circus Series  This is so good  I;m so much smiling  The sad thing is: if I wouldn't care, I would just stop visiting teamliquid.net. I care so much since I loved this game and devoted so much play time and viewing time to it. What this game has become, what the WCS series has become just makes me sad. It's like watching an old friend die slowly from a wound that his father inflicted. just watch the korean scene, that's the right one when it comes to starcraft blizzard killed off the foreigner scene I'm trying! But due to timezones and a normal 9 to 5 job it's really really fucking hard to catch a glimpse of Korean SC2. it's all on youtube and twitch now and in HD, you don't have any excuse  Don't know why but I never was a great VOD watcher. Gonna change that habit
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On April 08 2016 23:47 Gwavajuice wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2016 23:36 sAsImre wrote:On April 08 2016 23:31 Incognoto wrote:On April 08 2016 23:29 boxerfred wrote:On April 08 2016 23:26 deacon.frost wrote:On April 08 2016 23:23 boxerfred wrote: StarCraft 2016: Best players banned from competing internationally, formerly irrelevant players cheat the fuck out of the system. Acknowledge the system by adopting new meaning of the WCS letters. Welfare Circus Series  This is so good  I;m so much smiling  The sad thing is: if I wouldn't care, I would just stop visiting teamliquid.net. I care so much since I loved this game and devoted so much play time and viewing time to it. What this game has become, what the WCS series has become just makes me sad. It's like watching an old friend die slowly from a wound that his father inflicted. just watch the korean scene, that's the right one when it comes to starcraft blizzard killed off the foreigner scene Korean starcraft is amazing with LotV. The best it has ever been when it comes to the quality of the games. just needs a shift in TvT meta, and it's paradise :p
only, koreans are not eligible to bash foreign scrub cheaters or warcraft 4 veterans.
so they must stay in korea, like the good players they are. oh and they are not allowed to have as many tournaments as the foreign scene :/
NO KOREANS ALLOWED
let's instead try to raise the mediocre, resultless foreigners with wcs welfare. my god this is so disgusting
edit: yeah for sure it's time to tune into those VODs
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WCS threads always provide the best and most creative post
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Finland926 Posts
This is really disappointing.
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Hey foreigners bashers and korean weaboo, could you go to another thread spread your hate and discuss about the topic?
I'd like to know, exactly, what is suspicious in these marinelord / dns games, plus why bly did not get dq'ed last time and what about the 20sec bunny game 4minutes before the finish.
Transparency, explanations, and equality of treatment is all i ask. And that the little princesses of korean scene spit their venom elsewhere, you are neither relevant neither interesting.
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On April 08 2016 23:57 hexhaven wrote: This is really disappointing. Yes, and some more info on what they did would be nice too. But ladder challenges without this kind of thing are rare.
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On April 08 2016 23:58 Ppjack wrote: Hey foreigners bashers and korean weaboo, could you go to another thread spread your hate and discuss about the topic?
I'd like to know, exactly, what is suspicious in these marinelord / dns games, plus why bly did not get dq'ed last time and what about the 20sec bunny game 4minutes before the finish.
Transparency, explanations, and equality of treatment is all i ask. And that the little princesses of korean scene spit their venom elsewhere, you are neither relevant neither interesting.
+1 The lack of informations is very frustating...
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On April 08 2016 23:35 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2016 23:34 Gwavajuice wrote:On April 08 2016 23:26 deacon.frost wrote:On April 08 2016 23:23 boxerfred wrote: StarCraft 2016: Best players banned from competing internationally, formerly irrelevant players cheat the fuck out of the system. Acknowledge the system by adopting new meaning of the WCS letters. Welfare Circus Series  This is so good  I;m so much smiling  ok we are all heated by the news, but it's not enough to accuse WCS of every evil. The ladder race is a nice idea but we all knew this kind of situations would eventually happen. The point now is to get out of it with a reasonable solution, so this is fixed for the future. To me, banning people while an investigation is undergoing is just bad, cause the purpose of the investigation should be to decide if they should be banned in the first place. Let's just wait and see ML, DnS and millenium team's reactions. The ladder race is not a nice idea. It's a tool to make ladder relevant. Why the ladder should be relevant in the first place is not really clear as somehow StarCraft made it through 5 years without ladder being relevant. I thought it was almost universally established that ladder qualifiers made practice 10x better in the period of the qualifier. That's been some of the most universally positive feedback we've ever gotten from pros
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On April 08 2016 23:58 Ppjack wrote: And that the little princesses of korean scene spit their venom elsewhere, you are neither relevant neither interesting.
Not really.. I actually think this is a prime example to bring back the topic of Korean discrimination to the table.
Just so you're aware, this is a topic which is constantly relevant.
It's absolutely abhorrent that Koreans are not allowed to participate in events which used to be open to all. Now Koreans are not allowed to enter these tournaments on the grounds that foreigners need to be protected.
It's especially interesting that the foreigners who are being protected are also mediocre in their game play (e.g. the welfare comparison, foreigners do not particularly deserve extra opportunities compared to Koreans) and now apparently some of them cheat.
Sorry I'm not going to shut up about it, I want Blizzard to hear what I have to say. I play the game and I watch the game as well as you do. :/
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On April 08 2016 23:58 Ppjack wrote: Hey foreigners bashers and korean weaboo, could you go to another thread spread your hate and discuss about the topic?
I'd like to know, exactly, what is suspicious in these marinelord / dns games, plus why bly did not get dq'ed last time and what about the 20sec bunny game 4minutes before the finish.
Transparency, explanations, and equality of treatment is all i ask. And that the little princesses of korean scene spit their venom elsewhere, you are neither relevant neither interesting.
"Equality of treatment" while blaming "foreigner bashers", really?
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On April 09 2016 00:03 Aocowns wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2016 23:35 boxerfred wrote:On April 08 2016 23:34 Gwavajuice wrote:On April 08 2016 23:26 deacon.frost wrote:On April 08 2016 23:23 boxerfred wrote: StarCraft 2016: Best players banned from competing internationally, formerly irrelevant players cheat the fuck out of the system. Acknowledge the system by adopting new meaning of the WCS letters. Welfare Circus Series  This is so good  I;m so much smiling  ok we are all heated by the news, but it's not enough to accuse WCS of every evil. The ladder race is a nice idea but we all knew this kind of situations would eventually happen. The point now is to get out of it with a reasonable solution, so this is fixed for the future. To me, banning people while an investigation is undergoing is just bad, cause the purpose of the investigation should be to decide if they should be banned in the first place. Let's just wait and see ML, DnS and millenium team's reactions. The ladder race is not a nice idea. It's a tool to make ladder relevant. Why the ladder should be relevant in the first place is not really clear as somehow StarCraft made it through 5 years without ladder being relevant. I thought it was almost universally established that ladder qualifiers made practice 10x better in the period of the qualifier. That's been some of the most universally positive feedback we've ever gotten from pros Good point then. Missed this.
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Goddamn matchfixers let's string them up!
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On April 08 2016 23:47 Gwavajuice wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2016 23:36 sAsImre wrote:On April 08 2016 23:31 Incognoto wrote:On April 08 2016 23:29 boxerfred wrote:On April 08 2016 23:26 deacon.frost wrote:On April 08 2016 23:23 boxerfred wrote: StarCraft 2016: Best players banned from competing internationally, formerly irrelevant players cheat the fuck out of the system. Acknowledge the system by adopting new meaning of the WCS letters. Welfare Circus Series  This is so good  I;m so much smiling  The sad thing is: if I wouldn't care, I would just stop visiting teamliquid.net. I care so much since I loved this game and devoted so much play time and viewing time to it. What this game has become, what the WCS series has become just makes me sad. It's like watching an old friend die slowly from a wound that his father inflicted. just watch the korean scene, that's the right one when it comes to starcraft blizzard killed off the foreigner scene Korean starcraft is amazing with LotV. The best it has ever been when it comes to the quality of the games. just needs a shift in TvT meta, and it's paradise :p
The shift is slowly taking place with the addition of numerous viking that reduces a bit the tankivac silliness in the early game.
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Something I don't get is why Blizzard is even putting millions of dollars into sc2 tournaments in the first place? Is sc2 tournaments actually making them significant amount money (directly or indirectly)? Why don't they just withdraw investment altogether from tourneys and just license out permissions to let enthusiasts fund their own tournaments (Kespa, Dreamhack, etc.) and let them establish their own rules of who can compete and who can't based on their own judgment?
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On April 09 2016 00:08 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2016 23:58 Ppjack wrote: And that the little princesses of korean scene spit their venom elsewhere, you are neither relevant neither interesting.
Not really.. I actually think this is a prime example to bring back the topic of Korean discrimination to the table. Just so you're aware, this is a topic which is constantly relevant. It's absolutely abhorrent that Koreans are not allowed to participate in events which used to be open to all. Now Koreans are not allowed to enter these tournaments on the grounds that foreigners need to be protected. It's especially interesting that the foreigners who are being protected are also mediocre in their game play (e.g. the welfare comparison, foreigners do not particularly deserve extra opportunities compared to Koreans) and now apparently some of them cheat. Sorry I'm not going to shut up about it, I want Blizzard to hear what I have to say. I play the game and I watch the game as well as you do. :/
You are damn right. As long as we voice our opinions in appropriate manner, I don't see why we should stfu.
Ironic that people demand us to stop the hate but keep using derogatory remarks.
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On April 09 2016 00:25 Silvana wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2016 00:08 Incognoto wrote:On April 08 2016 23:58 Ppjack wrote: And that the little princesses of korean scene spit their venom elsewhere, you are neither relevant neither interesting.
Not really.. I actually think this is a prime example to bring back the topic of Korean discrimination to the table. Just so you're aware, this is a topic which is constantly relevant. It's absolutely abhorrent that Koreans are not allowed to participate in events which used to be open to all. Now Koreans are not allowed to enter these tournaments on the grounds that foreigners need to be protected. It's especially interesting that the foreigners who are being protected are also mediocre in their game play (e.g. the welfare comparison, foreigners do not particularly deserve extra opportunities compared to Koreans) and now apparently some of them cheat. Sorry I'm not going to shut up about it, I want Blizzard to hear what I have to say. I play the game and I watch the game as well as you do. :/ You are damn right. As long as we voice our opinions in appropriate manner, I don't see why we should stfu. Ironic that people demand us to stop the hate but keep using derogatory remarks. What about adding Korean slots into the WCS? Would that help? For example right now there are 1 slot for China 1 slot for latin america etc. What if we added 4 slots for Korea? Would that be more "international"?
*Oh right and allow third party tournaments to let Koreans compete.
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On April 09 2016 00:30 argonautdice wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2016 00:25 Silvana wrote:On April 09 2016 00:08 Incognoto wrote:On April 08 2016 23:58 Ppjack wrote: And that the little princesses of korean scene spit their venom elsewhere, you are neither relevant neither interesting.
Not really.. I actually think this is a prime example to bring back the topic of Korean discrimination to the table. Just so you're aware, this is a topic which is constantly relevant. It's absolutely abhorrent that Koreans are not allowed to participate in events which used to be open to all. Now Koreans are not allowed to enter these tournaments on the grounds that foreigners need to be protected. It's especially interesting that the foreigners who are being protected are also mediocre in their game play (e.g. the welfare comparison, foreigners do not particularly deserve extra opportunities compared to Koreans) and now apparently some of them cheat. Sorry I'm not going to shut up about it, I want Blizzard to hear what I have to say. I play the game and I watch the game as well as you do. :/ You are damn right. As long as we voice our opinions in appropriate manner, I don't see why we should stfu. Ironic that people demand us to stop the hate but keep using derogatory remarks. What about adding Korean slots into the WCS? Would that help? For example right now there are 1 slot for China 1 slot for latin america etc. What if we added 4 slots for Korea? Would that be more "international"?
Imo the system is a mess as a whole. Patching it even more won't solve it. They should work on something else from scratch, with clear and as few rules as possible.
But I don't think Blizzard needs or would accept any ideas, because they like to do things their way. What I do think we must do is to be clear about what we like and what we don't. If I don't like this Korean segregation from the rest of the world but I don't let Blizzard know, they will keep pushing this foreigner privileges more and more...
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France12762 Posts
Shit that sucks, I admit I thought DnS was getting a freepass somehow, but more like someone else playing for him.
No way I'm gonna watch Guru & Bly tho :x
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On April 09 2016 00:36 Silvana wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2016 00:30 argonautdice wrote:On April 09 2016 00:25 Silvana wrote:On April 09 2016 00:08 Incognoto wrote:On April 08 2016 23:58 Ppjack wrote: And that the little princesses of korean scene spit their venom elsewhere, you are neither relevant neither interesting.
Not really.. I actually think this is a prime example to bring back the topic of Korean discrimination to the table. Just so you're aware, this is a topic which is constantly relevant. It's absolutely abhorrent that Koreans are not allowed to participate in events which used to be open to all. Now Koreans are not allowed to enter these tournaments on the grounds that foreigners need to be protected. It's especially interesting that the foreigners who are being protected are also mediocre in their game play (e.g. the welfare comparison, foreigners do not particularly deserve extra opportunities compared to Koreans) and now apparently some of them cheat. Sorry I'm not going to shut up about it, I want Blizzard to hear what I have to say. I play the game and I watch the game as well as you do. :/ You are damn right. As long as we voice our opinions in appropriate manner, I don't see why we should stfu. Ironic that people demand us to stop the hate but keep using derogatory remarks. What about adding Korean slots into the WCS? Would that help? For example right now there are 1 slot for China 1 slot for latin america etc. What if we added 4 slots for Korea? Would that be more "international"? Imo the system is a mess as a whole. Patching it even more won't solve it. They should work on something else from scratch, with clear and as few rules as possible. But I don't think Blizzard needs or would accept any ideas, because they like to do things their way. What I do think we must do is to be clear about what we like and what we don't. If I don't like this Korean segregation from the rest of the world but I don't let Blizzard know, they will keep pushing this foreigner privileges more and more... do you think we are in a kind of conspiracy ?
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