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Hm, what is to stop some random no name from getting high in GM and spamming every top 16 players he plays "Here is your free win! Thanks for wintrading with me earlier!!  " just to fuck with the ladder? Blizzard's attempt to make ladder legit is actually pretty funny. They need to figure out a way to make the competition fair and good. But then again, they aren't very good at making smart decisions, just "cool new ideas gais!"
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On April 10 2016 00:34 Silvana wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2016 22:16 Poopi wrote:On April 09 2016 22:06 Silvana wrote:
Why are you guys doubting Blizzard? Don't you think if the dq was unfair these 2 players would let us know by now ?
I mean it fine to have public evidence and play judge if we like, but you are not the judge so give it some decent time before complaining. .. I dunno, this AND the Sioras DQ seem poorly handled. Providing evidence would be the minimum for us to be able to know if it's fair, because Bunny getting away with a freewin and the spot is weird even though it's not his fault. Why not deducing the points he got and see what the ranking looks like? What was bad about Sioras DQ? No matter what Harstem or his manager said, he did something wrong and got punished accordingly.
It was rather clearly a joke, and Harstem confirmed it. If Flash/Hero/Snute... was trolling and faking to see Harstem replay at x1 in public, or fake to play on Harstem account etc... I bet nobody will have DQ him...
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they can always join liquids overwatch team
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On April 11 2016 02:38 Gwavajuice wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2016 14:28 Binomyo wrote:On April 10 2016 05:49 Ppjack wrote:
So... since we don't have proofs from blizzard, it seems like:
- Shadown leaving a game because he likes bunny = nothing happens
- Bunny receiving a free win, even though he does not ask for it, but profit from it = nothing happens
- Major leaving a game because sick (or any reason one could leave, phone call or whatever) = banned
- Marinelord leaving two games (edit: making less efforts causing 2 loss) because he likes Dns = banned
- Dns profiting from it, and probably asking for it = banned
- Bly convinced of abusing the system (leaving games on purpose to get a better seed) = nothing happens
Blizzard seems clueless. Not even talking about the lack of communication, the situation is handled so poorly by blizzard. MLord didn't quit the game like Shadown did, just a few seconds after start (edit: did not see your edit, but don't agree also with MLord making less effort). Even if Bunny has nothing to do, Blizz should have deduced these 9 points from his score. Bunny would have had a score of 1296 and would still be qualified but that would have seem less that they care only about certain . You can access the game stats via DnS profile and make your own opinion. Here's my analysis of the games. Game 13 min 15s DnS do a 3 gate proxy MLord do a CC 2 zealots and 8 adept vs 7 marines and all of Mlord probes, GG timing Win for DnS +19 points Game 29 min 10s MLord do a 3 barrack proxy DnS do gate, nexus, starport Dns loose the second nexus At 3:01, the production was 9 marines vs 2 adept and 1 oracle (and some probes probably). Meanwhile, DnS to have used his Oracle well as MLord income does not increase. At 3:53, DnS remade his nexus and his earnings will take over MLord's. With a better army value and better upgrade, DnS had an advantage after that first fight. Win for DnS +19 points Game 35 min 32s It seem like a mine drop. DnS seem to have loosed his nexus because he make a second at 5:17 but I can't really discern what the fuck had happened. Loose for DnS, -8 points. If it is wintrade, they don't seem to have choose the more productive way. May be the biggest mistake for MLord was to play with his smurf when the "ladder competition" was not ended (but I haven't seen rules against it). It's true it's not very obvious, but what sealed the case for me is when Yogo (caster from Millenium) was on OGTV for the tournament and his answer on the case was : "OMG! why did they do this, it's so stupid" I mean if ML was innocent, people from his own team would stand up to defend him, wouldn't they? The second important thing to me was the comparison of the outcome (+31 points) to the actual result of the ladder tournament : from Bly (18th with 1298 points,) to Happy (8th with 1308 points) you only have 10 points, so 31 points is actually a lot of points!! DnS also had 1308 points therefore, without this series against ML's smurf, he would never have made top 16.
Yogo also said that it didnt looked like marinelord. That he was a huge troll on twitter, but was super professional during tournaments.
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rofl i knew something like this would happen
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On April 11 2016 08:07 oGoZenob wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2016 02:38 Gwavajuice wrote:On April 10 2016 14:28 Binomyo wrote:On April 10 2016 05:49 Ppjack wrote:
So... since we don't have proofs from blizzard, it seems like:
- Shadown leaving a game because he likes bunny = nothing happens
- Bunny receiving a free win, even though he does not ask for it, but profit from it = nothing happens
- Major leaving a game because sick (or any reason one could leave, phone call or whatever) = banned
- Marinelord leaving two games (edit: making less efforts causing 2 loss) because he likes Dns = banned
- Dns profiting from it, and probably asking for it = banned
- Bly convinced of abusing the system (leaving games on purpose to get a better seed) = nothing happens
Blizzard seems clueless. Not even talking about the lack of communication, the situation is handled so poorly by blizzard. MLord didn't quit the game like Shadown did, just a few seconds after start (edit: did not see your edit, but don't agree also with MLord making less effort). Even if Bunny has nothing to do, Blizz should have deduced these 9 points from his score. Bunny would have had a score of 1296 and would still be qualified but that would have seem less that they care only about certain . You can access the game stats via DnS profile and make your own opinion. Here's my analysis of the games. Game 13 min 15s DnS do a 3 gate proxy MLord do a CC 2 zealots and 8 adept vs 7 marines and all of Mlord probes, GG timing Win for DnS +19 points Game 29 min 10s MLord do a 3 barrack proxy DnS do gate, nexus, starport Dns loose the second nexus At 3:01, the production was 9 marines vs 2 adept and 1 oracle (and some probes probably). Meanwhile, DnS to have used his Oracle well as MLord income does not increase. At 3:53, DnS remade his nexus and his earnings will take over MLord's. With a better army value and better upgrade, DnS had an advantage after that first fight. Win for DnS +19 points Game 35 min 32s It seem like a mine drop. DnS seem to have loosed his nexus because he make a second at 5:17 but I can't really discern what the fuck had happened. Loose for DnS, -8 points. If it is wintrade, they don't seem to have choose the more productive way. May be the biggest mistake for MLord was to play with his smurf when the "ladder competition" was not ended (but I haven't seen rules against it). It's true it's not very obvious, but what sealed the case for me is when Yogo (caster from Millenium) was on OGTV for the tournament and his answer on the case was : "OMG! why did they do this, it's so stupid" I mean if ML was innocent, people from his own team would stand up to defend him, wouldn't they? The second important thing to me was the comparison of the outcome (+31 points) to the actual result of the ladder tournament : from Bly (18th with 1298 points,) to Happy (8th with 1308 points) you only have 10 points, so 31 points is actually a lot of points!! DnS also had 1308 points therefore, without this series against ML's smurf, he would never have made top 16. Yogo also said that it didnt looked like marinelord. That he was a huge troll on twitter, but was super professional during tournaments.
That's true, so I guess there's still a chance that ML and DnS are actually innocent and are waiting to have sorted everything out with Blizzard before making any public statement...
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On April 11 2016 08:07 oGoZenob wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2016 02:38 Gwavajuice wrote:On April 10 2016 14:28 Binomyo wrote:On April 10 2016 05:49 Ppjack wrote:
So... since we don't have proofs from blizzard, it seems like:
- Shadown leaving a game because he likes bunny = nothing happens
- Bunny receiving a free win, even though he does not ask for it, but profit from it = nothing happens
- Major leaving a game because sick (or any reason one could leave, phone call or whatever) = banned
- Marinelord leaving two games (edit: making less efforts causing 2 loss) because he likes Dns = banned
- Dns profiting from it, and probably asking for it = banned
- Bly convinced of abusing the system (leaving games on purpose to get a better seed) = nothing happens
Blizzard seems clueless. Not even talking about the lack of communication, the situation is handled so poorly by blizzard. MLord didn't quit the game like Shadown did, just a few seconds after start (edit: did not see your edit, but don't agree also with MLord making less effort). Even if Bunny has nothing to do, Blizz should have deduced these 9 points from his score. Bunny would have had a score of 1296 and would still be qualified but that would have seem less that they care only about certain . You can access the game stats via DnS profile and make your own opinion. Here's my analysis of the games. Game 13 min 15s DnS do a 3 gate proxy MLord do a CC 2 zealots and 8 adept vs 7 marines and all of Mlord probes, GG timing Win for DnS +19 points Game 29 min 10s MLord do a 3 barrack proxy DnS do gate, nexus, starport Dns loose the second nexus At 3:01, the production was 9 marines vs 2 adept and 1 oracle (and some probes probably). Meanwhile, DnS to have used his Oracle well as MLord income does not increase. At 3:53, DnS remade his nexus and his earnings will take over MLord's. With a better army value and better upgrade, DnS had an advantage after that first fight. Win for DnS +19 points Game 35 min 32s It seem like a mine drop. DnS seem to have loosed his nexus because he make a second at 5:17 but I can't really discern what the fuck had happened. Loose for DnS, -8 points. If it is wintrade, they don't seem to have choose the more productive way. May be the biggest mistake for MLord was to play with his smurf when the "ladder competition" was not ended (but I haven't seen rules against it). It's true it's not very obvious, but what sealed the case for me is when Yogo (caster from Millenium) was on OGTV for the tournament and his answer on the case was : "OMG! why did they do this, it's so stupid" I mean if ML was innocent, people from his own team would stand up to defend him, wouldn't they? The second important thing to me was the comparison of the outcome (+31 points) to the actual result of the ladder tournament : from Bly (18th with 1298 points,) to Happy (8th with 1308 points) you only have 10 points, so 31 points is actually a lot of points!! DnS also had 1308 points therefore, without this series against ML's smurf, he would never have made top 16. Yogo also said that it didnt looked like marinelord. That he was a huge troll on twitter, but was super professional during tournaments.
Yes like you, I have not understood Yogo like Gwavajuice has. To me, it seemed that Yogo had no more information than the DH statement at this point.
Until Blizzard make its judgment and give us more informations, we're bound to speculations.
One thing to note is that the DQ was made before the players were asked to send their replays apparently.
Also, another thing on why the players don't state about this on tweeter. There was a precedent in France with Firecake at the Underdogs competition. O'Gaming had suspicions about matchfix for Firecake, they keep it private with the players involved but FCK tweeted about it and asked for retweet to support him not match fixing. He was cleared later but OG chose to ban him from OG competition for the rest of the year. Why if he was not matchfixing ? Because it has drawn so much bad publicity (articles, forum threads like this, ...), people criticized OG, the competition manager, ... Bad publicity is really a nightmare for public business where sponsors are a major part of it. That's why tweeting in a middle of a drama is not the best thing to do.
Guess what thread has the more pages between this one and Major's ? The one were the player try to defend himself and where a pro troll repeat again and again the same thing.
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On April 11 2016 03:58 teddyoojo wrote:
they can always join liquids overwatch team
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Only if they made PR STATEMENTS telling everyone just how sorry they are and just how much they're matured and how they will never do it again - oh and how they dont expect us to trust or respect them right away but they will try their very best to earn it with hard work and respect for the community, the game, the rules and everyone's mothers!
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Yogo also said that some years ago, Stephano used to rage quit all games when he was doing a single mistake in the first 5 minutes.
So much win trading...
They have to rethink the ladder qualification system
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On April 11 2016 17:14 FFgringo wrote:
Yogo also said that some years ago, Stephano used to rage quit all games when he was doing a single mistake in the first 5 minutes.
So much win trading...
They have to rethink the ladder qualification system
I remember this at I agree
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On April 11 2016 17:14 FFgringo wrote:
Yogo also said that some years ago, Stephano used to rage quit all games when he was doing a single mistake in the first 5 minutes.
So much win trading...
They have to rethink the ladder qualification system
at that time nobody cared about ladder position
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On April 11 2016 17:14 FFgringo wrote:
Yogo also said that some years ago, Stephano used to rage quit all games when he was doing a single mistake in the first 5 minutes.
So much win trading...
They have to rethink the ladder qualification system
Lots of people do that. I myself do it quite a lot.
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On April 11 2016 02:28 SC2Toastie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2016 22:53 SC2Toastie wrote:I find it kinda curious though that we're allowed to have a whole thread with the assumption of two players exploiting extremely obvious flaws in one of the + Show Spoiler +insert WCS welfare comments, srsly, the thing is retarded WCS qualifications. Their career is more and more screwed every second we allow this discussion without any evidence to run rampant, yet we're somehow okay with this. I'm perfectly fine with discrediting anything WCS/Ban-Korea related, really, but at least do it in an open and fair manner. Accepting Bunny getting an unfair advantage, and not allowing other players to do the same thing sounds hypocritical. Also, you have to accept that this is something bound to happen. Additionally: How do we define wintrading? Would it have been fine in MLord went SCV rush, practicing this special tactic every game? How about blind 3 rax, with DnS knowing it and preparing? Would that have changed the situation? A qualifier this open for abuse and interpretation should not play a role in the most 'prestigious' (HAHAHAHAHA) tournament of SC2. It's ridiculous and honestly very unprofessional. + Show Spoiler +On April 10 2016 14:28 Binomyo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2016 05:49 Ppjack wrote:
So... since we don't have proofs from blizzard, it seems like:
- Shadown leaving a game because he likes bunny = nothing happens
- Bunny receiving a free win, even though he does not ask for it, but profit from it = nothing happens
- Major leaving a game because sick (or any reason one could leave, phone call or whatever) = banned
- Marinelord leaving two games (edit: making less efforts causing 2 loss) because he likes Dns = banned
- Dns profiting from it, and probably asking for it = banned
- Bly convinced of abusing the system (leaving games on purpose to get a better seed) = nothing happens
Blizzard seems clueless. Not even talking about the lack of communication, the situation is handled so poorly by blizzard. MLord didn't quit the game like Shadown did, just a few seconds after start (edit: did not see your edit, but don't agree also with MLord making less effort). Even if Bunny has nothing to do, Blizz should have deduced these 9 points from his score. Bunny would have had a score of 1296 and would still be qualified but that would have seem less that they care only about certain . You can access the game stats via DnS profile and make your own opinion. Here's my analysis of the games. Game 13 min 15s DnS do a 3 gate proxy MLord do a CC 2 zealots and 8 adept vs 7 marines and all of Mlord probes, GG timing Win for DnS +19 points Game 29 min 10s MLord do a 3 barrack proxy DnS do gate, nexus, starport Dns loose the second nexus At 3:01, the production was 9 marines vs 2 adept and 1 oracle (and some probes probably). Meanwhile, DnS to have used his Oracle well as MLord income does not increase. At 3:53, DnS remade his nexus and his earnings will take over MLord's. With a better army value and better upgrade, DnS had an advantage after that first fight. Win for DnS +19 points Game 35 min 32s It seem like a mine drop. DnS seem to have loosed his nexus because he make a second at 5:17 but I can't really discern what the fuck had happened. Loose for DnS, -8 points. If it is wintrade, they don't seem to have choose the more productive way. May be the biggest mistake for MLord was to play with his smurf when the "ladder competition" was not ended (but I haven't seen rules against it). Blizzard? TL Mods? Every second you allow this thread to exist is an insult to the competitive scene. This is without taking WCS  into account. You can have your opinion on WCS, even if you are for it, this thread is hurting the reputation of players without proof, based on PURE suspicions, for now. It's degrading. Pathetic.
TL mods, do your job and protect the integrity of this website? Thanks.
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On April 11 2016 22:13 SC2Toastie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2016 02:28 SC2Toastie wrote:On April 09 2016 22:53 SC2Toastie wrote:I find it kinda curious though that we're allowed to have a whole thread with the assumption of two players exploiting extremely obvious flaws in one of the + Show Spoiler +insert WCS welfare comments, srsly, the thing is retarded WCS qualifications. Their career is more and more screwed every second we allow this discussion without any evidence to run rampant, yet we're somehow okay with this. I'm perfectly fine with discrediting anything WCS/Ban-Korea related, really, but at least do it in an open and fair manner. Accepting Bunny getting an unfair advantage, and not allowing other players to do the same thing sounds hypocritical. Also, you have to accept that this is something bound to happen. Additionally: How do we define wintrading? Would it have been fine in MLord went SCV rush, practicing this special tactic every game? How about blind 3 rax, with DnS knowing it and preparing? Would that have changed the situation? A qualifier this open for abuse and interpretation should not play a role in the most 'prestigious' (HAHAHAHAHA) tournament of SC2. It's ridiculous and honestly very unprofessional. + Show Spoiler +On April 10 2016 14:28 Binomyo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2016 05:49 Ppjack wrote:
So... since we don't have proofs from blizzard, it seems like:
- Shadown leaving a game because he likes bunny = nothing happens
- Bunny receiving a free win, even though he does not ask for it, but profit from it = nothing happens
- Major leaving a game because sick (or any reason one could leave, phone call or whatever) = banned
- Marinelord leaving two games (edit: making less efforts causing 2 loss) because he likes Dns = banned
- Dns profiting from it, and probably asking for it = banned
- Bly convinced of abusing the system (leaving games on purpose to get a better seed) = nothing happens
Blizzard seems clueless. Not even talking about the lack of communication, the situation is handled so poorly by blizzard. MLord didn't quit the game like Shadown did, just a few seconds after start (edit: did not see your edit, but don't agree also with MLord making less effort). Even if Bunny has nothing to do, Blizz should have deduced these 9 points from his score. Bunny would have had a score of 1296 and would still be qualified but that would have seem less that they care only about certain . You can access the game stats via DnS profile and make your own opinion. Here's my analysis of the games. Game 13 min 15s DnS do a 3 gate proxy MLord do a CC 2 zealots and 8 adept vs 7 marines and all of Mlord probes, GG timing Win for DnS +19 points Game 29 min 10s MLord do a 3 barrack proxy DnS do gate, nexus, starport Dns loose the second nexus At 3:01, the production was 9 marines vs 2 adept and 1 oracle (and some probes probably). Meanwhile, DnS to have used his Oracle well as MLord income does not increase. At 3:53, DnS remade his nexus and his earnings will take over MLord's. With a better army value and better upgrade, DnS had an advantage after that first fight. Win for DnS +19 points Game 35 min 32s It seem like a mine drop. DnS seem to have loosed his nexus because he make a second at 5:17 but I can't really discern what the fuck had happened. Loose for DnS, -8 points. If it is wintrade, they don't seem to have choose the more productive way. May be the biggest mistake for MLord was to play with his smurf when the "ladder competition" was not ended (but I haven't seen rules against it). Blizzard? TL Mods? Every second you allow this thread to exist is an insult to the competitive scene. This is without taking WCS into account. You can have your opinion on WCS, even if you are for it, this thread is hurting the reputation of players without proof, based on PURE suspicions, for now. It's degrading. Pathetic. TL mods, do your job and protect the integrity of this website? Thanks.
Is your post some kind of clever plot to trick someone into backseat moderating your backseat moderation?
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On April 11 2016 17:14 FFgringo wrote:
Yogo also said that some years ago, Stephano used to rage quit all games when he was doing a single mistake in the first 5 minutes.
So much win trading...
They have to rethink the ladder qualification system
Hmm Stephano leaving games 4 years before ladder competition was introduced? what the f are you talking about? why are you even posting?
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On April 11 2016 22:13 SC2Toastie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2016 02:28 SC2Toastie wrote:On April 09 2016 22:53 SC2Toastie wrote:I find it kinda curious though that we're allowed to have a whole thread with the assumption of two players exploiting extremely obvious flaws in one of the + Show Spoiler +insert WCS welfare comments, srsly, the thing is retarded WCS qualifications. Their career is more and more screwed every second we allow this discussion without any evidence to run rampant, yet we're somehow okay with this. I'm perfectly fine with discrediting anything WCS/Ban-Korea related, really, but at least do it in an open and fair manner. Accepting Bunny getting an unfair advantage, and not allowing other players to do the same thing sounds hypocritical. Also, you have to accept that this is something bound to happen. Additionally: How do we define wintrading? Would it have been fine in MLord went SCV rush, practicing this special tactic every game? How about blind 3 rax, with DnS knowing it and preparing? Would that have changed the situation? A qualifier this open for abuse and interpretation should not play a role in the most 'prestigious' (HAHAHAHAHA) tournament of SC2. It's ridiculous and honestly very unprofessional. + Show Spoiler +On April 10 2016 14:28 Binomyo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2016 05:49 Ppjack wrote:
So... since we don't have proofs from blizzard, it seems like:
- Shadown leaving a game because he likes bunny = nothing happens
- Bunny receiving a free win, even though he does not ask for it, but profit from it = nothing happens
- Major leaving a game because sick (or any reason one could leave, phone call or whatever) = banned
- Marinelord leaving two games (edit: making less efforts causing 2 loss) because he likes Dns = banned
- Dns profiting from it, and probably asking for it = banned
- Bly convinced of abusing the system (leaving games on purpose to get a better seed) = nothing happens
Blizzard seems clueless. Not even talking about the lack of communication, the situation is handled so poorly by blizzard. MLord didn't quit the game like Shadown did, just a few seconds after start (edit: did not see your edit, but don't agree also with MLord making less effort). Even if Bunny has nothing to do, Blizz should have deduced these 9 points from his score. Bunny would have had a score of 1296 and would still be qualified but that would have seem less that they care only about certain . You can access the game stats via DnS profile and make your own opinion. Here's my analysis of the games. Game 13 min 15s DnS do a 3 gate proxy MLord do a CC 2 zealots and 8 adept vs 7 marines and all of Mlord probes, GG timing Win for DnS +19 points Game 29 min 10s MLord do a 3 barrack proxy DnS do gate, nexus, starport Dns loose the second nexus At 3:01, the production was 9 marines vs 2 adept and 1 oracle (and some probes probably). Meanwhile, DnS to have used his Oracle well as MLord income does not increase. At 3:53, DnS remade his nexus and his earnings will take over MLord's. With a better army value and better upgrade, DnS had an advantage after that first fight. Win for DnS +19 points Game 35 min 32s It seem like a mine drop. DnS seem to have loosed his nexus because he make a second at 5:17 but I can't really discern what the fuck had happened. Loose for DnS, -8 points. If it is wintrade, they don't seem to have choose the more productive way. May be the biggest mistake for MLord was to play with his smurf when the "ladder competition" was not ended (but I haven't seen rules against it). Blizzard? TL Mods? Every second you allow this thread to exist is an insult to the competitive scene. This is without taking WCS into account. You can have your opinion on WCS, even if you are for it, this thread is hurting the reputation of players without proof, based on PURE suspicions, for now. It's degrading. Pathetic. TL mods, do your job and protect the integrity of this website? Thanks.
and ban/warn anybody not agreeing with you?
The fact that ML and DnS have been banned is not suspicion, it's a fact, and most post in this thread are trying to discuss and understand what happened without pitchforking anyone. Bunny's case is a hard one, but really banning him too, would have been kind of extreme, no?
And I'm sorry, discrediting WCS system is as bad as as discrediting players reputation. And anyway, how giving the actual details on the games is an offense to the players?
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On April 11 2016 09:03 Binomyo wrote:
eeter. There was a precedent in France with Firecake at the Underdogs competition. O'Gaming had suspicions about matchfix for Firecake, they keep it private with the players involved but FCK tweeted about it and asked for retweet to support him not match fixing.
Please, be carefull with what you say. It was not about match fixing. It was more about Firecake trolling by not finishing a game that he should have won for a long time. Not the same thing.
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This does not look good.
"If" marinelord and dns were doing things that were not punished in the past and no warning was given, its a scary outlook for the SC2 scene.
I say If because I dont actually know.
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On April 11 2016 22:30 Gwavajuice wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2016 22:13 SC2Toastie wrote:On April 11 2016 02:28 SC2Toastie wrote:On April 09 2016 22:53 SC2Toastie wrote:I find it kinda curious though that we're allowed to have a whole thread with the assumption of two players exploiting extremely obvious flaws in one of the + Show Spoiler +insert WCS welfare comments, srsly, the thing is retarded WCS qualifications. Their career is more and more screwed every second we allow this discussion without any evidence to run rampant, yet we're somehow okay with this. I'm perfectly fine with discrediting anything WCS/Ban-Korea related, really, but at least do it in an open and fair manner. Accepting Bunny getting an unfair advantage, and not allowing other players to do the same thing sounds hypocritical. Also, you have to accept that this is something bound to happen. Additionally: How do we define wintrading? Would it have been fine in MLord went SCV rush, practicing this special tactic every game? How about blind 3 rax, with DnS knowing it and preparing? Would that have changed the situation? A qualifier this open for abuse and interpretation should not play a role in the most 'prestigious' (HAHAHAHAHA) tournament of SC2. It's ridiculous and honestly very unprofessional. + Show Spoiler +On April 10 2016 14:28 Binomyo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2016 05:49 Ppjack wrote:
So... since we don't have proofs from blizzard, it seems like:
- Shadown leaving a game because he likes bunny = nothing happens
- Bunny receiving a free win, even though he does not ask for it, but profit from it = nothing happens
- Major leaving a game because sick (or any reason one could leave, phone call or whatever) = banned
- Marinelord leaving two games (edit: making less efforts causing 2 loss) because he likes Dns = banned
- Dns profiting from it, and probably asking for it = banned
- Bly convinced of abusing the system (leaving games on purpose to get a better seed) = nothing happens
Blizzard seems clueless. Not even talking about the lack of communication, the situation is handled so poorly by blizzard. MLord didn't quit the game like Shadown did, just a few seconds after start (edit: did not see your edit, but don't agree also with MLord making less effort). Even if Bunny has nothing to do, Blizz should have deduced these 9 points from his score. Bunny would have had a score of 1296 and would still be qualified but that would have seem less that they care only about certain . You can access the game stats via DnS profile and make your own opinion. Here's my analysis of the games. Game 13 min 15s DnS do a 3 gate proxy MLord do a CC 2 zealots and 8 adept vs 7 marines and all of Mlord probes, GG timing Win for DnS +19 points Game 29 min 10s MLord do a 3 barrack proxy DnS do gate, nexus, starport Dns loose the second nexus At 3:01, the production was 9 marines vs 2 adept and 1 oracle (and some probes probably). Meanwhile, DnS to have used his Oracle well as MLord income does not increase. At 3:53, DnS remade his nexus and his earnings will take over MLord's. With a better army value and better upgrade, DnS had an advantage after that first fight. Win for DnS +19 points Game 35 min 32s It seem like a mine drop. DnS seem to have loosed his nexus because he make a second at 5:17 but I can't really discern what the fuck had happened. Loose for DnS, -8 points. If it is wintrade, they don't seem to have choose the more productive way. May be the biggest mistake for MLord was to play with his smurf when the "ladder competition" was not ended (but I haven't seen rules against it). Blizzard? TL Mods? Every second you allow this thread to exist is an insult to the competitive scene. This is without taking WCS into account. You can have your opinion on WCS, even if you are for it, this thread is hurting the reputation of players without proof, based on PURE suspicions, for now. It's degrading. Pathetic. TL mods, do your job and protect the integrity of this website? Thanks. and ban/warn anybody not agreeing with you? The fact that ML and DnS have been banned is not suspicion, it's a fact, and most post in this thread are trying to discuss and understand what happened without pitchforking anyone. Bunny's case is a hard one, but really banning him too, would have been kind of extreme, no? And I'm sorry, discrediting WCS system is as bad as as discrediting players reputation. And anyway, how giving the actual details on the games is an offense to the players?
You don't get his point.
This is still speculation mostly and without factual evidence (being banned is not evidence, that's the sanction, lol), this is very damaging to the players' reputations without them having a say about it.
He's not asking to ban people who don't agree with him, he's asking that we don't keep slandering / potentially ruining players' career without any factual evidence. The problem with Blizzard is that they most likely have none, so basically players are seeing their careers be damaged very severely over what is so far nothing. These threads contribute to that damage.
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On April 11 2016 22:30 Gwavajuice wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2016 22:13 SC2Toastie wrote:On April 11 2016 02:28 SC2Toastie wrote:On April 09 2016 22:53 SC2Toastie wrote:I find it kinda curious though that we're allowed to have a whole thread with the assumption of two players exploiting extremely obvious flaws in one of the + Show Spoiler +insert WCS welfare comments, srsly, the thing is retarded WCS qualifications. Their career is more and more screwed every second we allow this discussion without any evidence to run rampant, yet we're somehow okay with this. I'm perfectly fine with discrediting anything WCS/Ban-Korea related, really, but at least do it in an open and fair manner. Accepting Bunny getting an unfair advantage, and not allowing other players to do the same thing sounds hypocritical. Also, you have to accept that this is something bound to happen. Additionally: How do we define wintrading? Would it have been fine in MLord went SCV rush, practicing this special tactic every game? How about blind 3 rax, with DnS knowing it and preparing? Would that have changed the situation? A qualifier this open for abuse and interpretation should not play a role in the most 'prestigious' (HAHAHAHAHA) tournament of SC2. It's ridiculous and honestly very unprofessional. + Show Spoiler +On April 10 2016 14:28 Binomyo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2016 05:49 Ppjack wrote:
So... since we don't have proofs from blizzard, it seems like:
- Shadown leaving a game because he likes bunny = nothing happens
- Bunny receiving a free win, even though he does not ask for it, but profit from it = nothing happens
- Major leaving a game because sick (or any reason one could leave, phone call or whatever) = banned
- Marinelord leaving two games (edit: making less efforts causing 2 loss) because he likes Dns = banned
- Dns profiting from it, and probably asking for it = banned
- Bly convinced of abusing the system (leaving games on purpose to get a better seed) = nothing happens
Blizzard seems clueless. Not even talking about the lack of communication, the situation is handled so poorly by blizzard. MLord didn't quit the game like Shadown did, just a few seconds after start (edit: did not see your edit, but don't agree also with MLord making less effort). Even if Bunny has nothing to do, Blizz should have deduced these 9 points from his score. Bunny would have had a score of 1296 and would still be qualified but that would have seem less that they care only about certain . You can access the game stats via DnS profile and make your own opinion. Here's my analysis of the games. Game 13 min 15s DnS do a 3 gate proxy MLord do a CC 2 zealots and 8 adept vs 7 marines and all of Mlord probes, GG timing Win for DnS +19 points Game 29 min 10s MLord do a 3 barrack proxy DnS do gate, nexus, starport Dns loose the second nexus At 3:01, the production was 9 marines vs 2 adept and 1 oracle (and some probes probably). Meanwhile, DnS to have used his Oracle well as MLord income does not increase. At 3:53, DnS remade his nexus and his earnings will take over MLord's. With a better army value and better upgrade, DnS had an advantage after that first fight. Win for DnS +19 points Game 35 min 32s It seem like a mine drop. DnS seem to have loosed his nexus because he make a second at 5:17 but I can't really discern what the fuck had happened. Loose for DnS, -8 points. If it is wintrade, they don't seem to have choose the more productive way. May be the biggest mistake for MLord was to play with his smurf when the "ladder competition" was not ended (but I haven't seen rules against it). Blizzard? TL Mods? Every second you allow this thread to exist is an insult to the competitive scene. This is without taking WCS into account. You can have your opinion on WCS, even if you are for it, this thread is hurting the reputation of players without proof, based on PURE suspicions, for now. It's degrading. Pathetic. TL mods, do your job and protect the integrity of this website? Thanks. and ban/warn anybody not agreeing with you? The fact that ML and DnS have been banned is not suspicion, it's a fact, and most post in this thread are trying to discuss and understand what happened without pitchforking anyone. Bunny's case is a hard one, but really banning him too, would have been kind of extreme, no? And I'm sorry, discrediting WCS system is as bad as as discrediting players reputation. And anyway, how giving the actual details on the games is an offense to the players?
Please read this post. Your shortsighted comment with the uncreative strawman isn't fooling anyone. You can like WCS, you can hate it. I personally think 2016 WCS is a complete joke and a disgrace to this scene. In fact, I think the phrase 'professional gamer' has been changed from 'compete and be the best like no one ever was'. However, that is completely beside the point.
On April 11 2016 23:06 Incognoto wrote:
You don't get his point.
This is still speculation mostly and without factual evidence (being banned is not evidence, that's the sanction, lol), this is very damaging to the players' reputations without them having a say about it.
He's not asking to ban people who don't agree with him, he's asking that we don't keep slandering / potentially ruining players' career without any factual evidence. The problem with Blizzard is that they most likely have none, so basically players are seeing their careers be damaged very severely over what is so far nothing. These threads contribute to that damage.
In fact, every form of 'evidence' in the matchfix case we currently have is more in favor of ML/DnS that against them. The way those games played out is not that unimaginable.
Every second this thread remains open just contributes to the 'trial by media' which is now happening and potentially screwing over the careers of two competitors. The fact that the Bunny case remains unspoken off (despite this being a similar form of manipulating ladder. Even if it is apparantly against his wishes, it's manipulation nonetheless), and nobody forsaw this coming, is extremely amateurish.
In short: the way this is handled by TL staff, Blizzard and Dreamhack is besides everything you would expect from professional organizations, and it disgusts me.
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