EPTMlord clearly lost on purpose to get DnS into the tournament, when he would've been out of it otherwise; Bly was already in the tourney, his loss would't gift anyone else entry, Bunny's win had nothing to do with him, he was gifted a win that, again, changed nothing since he was already qualified and Shadown wasn't anyway.
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waiting2Bbanned
United States154 Posts
Mlord clearly lost on purpose to get DnS into the tournament, when he would've been out of it otherwise; Bly was already in the tourney, his loss would't gift anyone else entry, Bunny's win had nothing to do with him, he was gifted a win that, again, changed nothing since he was already qualified and Shadown wasn't anyway. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On April 09 2016 18:53 stilt wrote: Even IF it is what really happened, this is still totally unfair for all the others players. But I guess some can get free pass and be bordeline... Even if Bunny is not responsible (and I still have some doubts), he should be DQ. This is about fair win for everybody, not freewin but as I said in my previous post, some can get free pass. Anyway, I am still wraiting for the proofs for the case of DNs and Mlord. Since 2010; I saw a lot of stupid drama in SC2 but from my pov, this is the worst. He shouldn't be disqualified for the sake of that free win. His points should be deducted if he didn't or wasn't going to win that game. Then, see what rankings are in top16. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On April 09 2016 21:13 DuckloadBlackra wrote: Only a couple people seem to care that no proof has been provided? You're just going to blindly accept it as truth? I agree with you. That's very disturbing behavior from Blizzard. | ||
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wjat
385 Posts
On April 09 2016 21:34 waiting2Bbanned wrote: Funny how all the frenchies get up in arms trying to either say Mlord wasn't cheating or that Bly or Bunny were, when it's clear to anyone with a brain the difference: Mlord clearly lost on purpose to get DnS into the tournament, when he would've been out of it otherwise; Bly was already in the tourney, his loss would't gift anyone else entry, Bunny's win had nothing to do with him, he was gifted a win that, again, changed nothing since he was already qualified and Shadown wasn't anyway. I am french. Mlord was cheating. It's not clear to me that you have a brain. | ||
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Silvana
3713 Posts
I mean it fine to have public evidence and play judge if we like, but you are not the judge so give it some decent time before complaining. .. | ||
Poopi
France12758 Posts
On April 09 2016 22:06 Silvana wrote: Why are you guys doubting Blizzard? Don't you think if the dq was unfair these 2 players would let us know by now ? I mean it fine to have public evidence and play judge if we like, but you are not the judge so give it some decent time before complaining. .. I dunno, this AND the Sioras DQ seem poorly handled. Providing evidence would be the minimum for us to be able to know if it's fair, because Bunny getting away with a freewin and the spot is weird even though it's not his fault. Why not deducing the points he got and see what the ranking looks like? | ||
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Homunculus159
Austria220 Posts
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PPN
France248 Posts
On April 09 2016 21:34 waiting2Bbanned wrote: Funny how all the frenchies get up in arms trying to either say Mlord wasn't cheating or that Bly or Bunny were, when it's clear to anyone with a brain the difference: Mlord clearly lost on purpose to get DnS into the tournament, when he would've been out of it otherwise; Bly was already in the tourney, his loss would't gift anyone else entry, Bunny's win had nothing to do with him, he was gifted a win that, again, changed nothing since he was already qualified and Shadown wasn't anyway. Mlord was cheating. Bly was cheating. DnS was cheating, Bunny at best benefited from free wins which is against the spirit of fairness in rulebook. Only Mlord and DnS are punished currently. I'd be angry regardless of who it is or which country I belong to. I don't care about the nationality of players, I'd rather watch Koreans most of the time and the few foreign players I care about are not French (we have kinda good players I guess but damn are their personnality shitty). Of course these actions always change something. Why would they do it in the first place then? Mlord allowed DnS to be in the top, Bly manipulated the seed/bracket, and why is Bunny playing at that time on ladder when he is already qualified and knows that there could be a lot of shady stuff happening? Not that I believe that Bunny did anything wrong, I just find it a terrible idea to be playing ranked at that time. And as he said there could be a lot of stuff happening (like dragging out a game until midnight) which are very much against the spirit of fairness that are left unpunished because the rules are a trainwreck. Why does it look like the game history of Shadown, Bunny, and let's be fair all the players currently qualified won't be checked to see if there are other attempt at manipulating the results? So many questions that are oddly left unanswered by Blizzard. You are the only one here that does not seem to use his brain. And yeah I'm still waiting for evidence from Blizzard, I am all saying that with the hope that they do have something. | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On April 09 2016 22:21 Homunculus159 wrote: I feel like by now either MLord or DnS would have said something if Blizzard was being unfair to them. Or they've been told to shut up until further investigation, so they cannot discredit Blizzard. There's undoubtedly something of that sense in the special snowflake rulebook. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On April 09 2016 22:06 Silvana wrote: Why are you guys doubting Blizzard? Don't you think if the dq was unfair these 2 players would let us know by now ? I mean it fine to have public evidence and play judge if we like, but you are not the judge so give it some decent time before complaining. .. If they're going to do double-standards justice, at least they should do it with transparency | ||
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Gwavajuice
France1810 Posts
On April 09 2016 22:39 SC2Toastie wrote: Or they've been told to shut up until further investigation, so they cannot discredit Blizzard. There's undoubtedly something of that sense in the special snowflake rulebook. Yeah. I know we're all about twitter and instant social media/forums update, but that's good for meaningless events of everyday life, when it comes to real stuff, such as risking to have your career abruptly ended, you just shut the fuck up and deal with the relevant people only. The last thing you wanna do is to start answering on fan forums. When ML, DnS and there team will talk, if they do, it'll mean case is closed and all important decisions are already taken. | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On April 09 2016 00:14 boxerfred wrote: "Equality of treatment" while blaming "foreigner bashers", really? I rarely agree with you, but this made me giggle  | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On April 09 2016 22:46 OtherWorld wrote: If they're going to do double-standards justice, at least they should do it with transparency Wouldn't it make more sense that double-standards justice lacks transparency? | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
insert WCS welfare comments, srsly, the thing is retarded Their career is more and more screwed every second we allow this discussion without any evidence to run rampant, yet we're somehow okay with this. I'm perfectly fine with discrediting anything WCS/Ban-Korea related, really, but at least do it in an open and fair manner. Accepting Bunny getting an unfair advantage, and not allowing other players to do the same thing sounds hypocritical. Also, you have to accept that this is something bound to happen. Additionally: How do we define wintrading? Would it have been fine in MLord went SCV rush, practicing this special tactic every game? How about blind 3 rax, with DnS knowing it and preparing? Would that have changed the situation? A qualifier this open for abuse and interpretation should not play a role in the most 'prestigious' (HAHAHAHAHA) tournament of SC2. It's ridiculous and honestly very unprofessional. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On April 09 2016 22:53 SC2Toastie wrote: I find it kinda curious though that we're allowed to have a whole thread with the assumption of two players exploiting extremely obvious flaws in one of the + Show Spoiler + insert WCS welfare comments, srsly, the thing is retarded Their career is more and more screwed every second we allow this discussion without any evidence to run rampant, yet we're somehow okay with this. I'm perfectly fine with discrediting anything WCS/Ban-Korea related, really, but at least do it in an open and fair manner. Accepting Bunny getting an unfair advantage, and not allowing other players to do the same thing sounds hypocritical. Also, you have to accept that this is something bound to happen. Additionally: How do we define wintrading? Would it have been fine in MLord went SCV rush, practicing this special tactic every game? How about blind 3 rax, with DnS knowing it and preparing? Would that have changed the situation? A qualifier this open for abuse and interpretation should not play a role in the most 'prestigious' (HAHAHAHAHA) tournament of SC2. It's ridiculous and honestly very unprofessional. Words of truth and wisdom. | ||
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WhosQuany
Germany257 Posts
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DuckloadBlackra
225 Posts
And I as well. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
 MajOr is being investigated too, and has now been disqualified from Copa AmericaBlizzard eSports LatAm Dear fans of StarCraft and Copa America, we regret to inform you that as part of an ongoing investigation by Blizzard on cases of match-fixing which affected WCS Europe, has identified the Latin American Juan "major" Tena as one of the players involved . The player has been suspended this season's Copa America which classifies the WCS Circuit Spring Championship that will be played during Dreamhack ZOWIE Tours Open in May. Because of this, the final key to this season's Copa America has been changed, and the best position will be taken by Tunico (3rd Place Group D). At the moment this punishment only applies to this season's Copa America, however malicious intervention is a serious offense results so that may have major consequences. We will keep our community informed about the progress of the investigation. Thank you very much for your understanding. Source | ||
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stilt
France2734 Posts
On April 09 2016 21:34 waiting2Bbanned wrote: Funny how all the frenchies get up in arms trying to either say Mlord wasn't cheating or that Bly or Bunny were, when it's clear to anyone with a brain the difference: Mlord clearly lost on purpose to get DnS into the tournament, when he would've been out of it otherwise; Bly was already in the tourney, his loss would't gift anyone else entry, Bunny's win had nothing to do with him, he was gifted a win that, again, changed nothing since he was already qualified and Shadown wasn't anyway. No idea from where you're from but in France, a condamnation is made with evidences and Blizzard didn't bring any of them except a historic of games. And what if the gift (I didn't count the points) would have give him the spot? This system is pretty bad. Anyway, you clearly have trouble to read the posts so I guess you have a brain but you're still an idiot. If Mlord and DNS are cheaters, well, they will enjoy their banning and this is fair but seem like some irregularities are accepted and this sounds as hypocrite as your post. User was warned for this post | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24192 Posts
The intention behind the ladder qualifier was all good as usual, but the potential consequences could be foreseen by anyone with a brain. Sadly when Blizzard see something "cool" they tend to forget about their brains. | ||
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