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ProtossMasterRace
Profile Joined January 2016
57 Posts
January 26 2016 10:25 GMT
#81
On January 26 2016 19:22 ETisME wrote:
These are big nerf to protoss, surprised nothing is buff to compensate other than the damage.
Protoss has to reconfigure their builds with this nerf


Protoss will have around 30-40% winrate against terran and probably single digit against zerg. The glory days of starcraft are over.
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4557 Posts
January 26 2016 10:27 GMT
#82
Waiting patiently to see this single digit winrate.
Zanzabarr
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada217 Posts
January 26 2016 10:42 GMT
#83
Such terrible changes. The adept may do +1 less damage to light, but that means needing 50% more attacks to kill marines / scv's without attack upgrades. A 50% nerf in killing speed is pretty massive for a match-up that isn't even Protoss favoured statistics-wise. PvZ is going to be even more of a landslide in zergs favour than before.
Nazara
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
United Kingdom235 Posts
January 26 2016 10:57 GMT
#84
A lot of people is concerned how p is going to hold his 3rd against z. I'm wondering how are they going to secure their nat with roach ling pylon sniping before msc has energy for a single overcharge.
1 base stargate into expand? 3 gate expand?
Seems like it's going to be a bad time to be a toss.
Gwavajuice
Profile Joined June 2014
France1810 Posts
January 26 2016 11:18 GMT
#85
Protoss may have hard time ahead, but it's for the best, cause adpet was hiding major flaws in their balance, now that this unit is nerfed we'll have the necessary input to analyse late game correctly and find out what to nerf/boost to make it balanced and interesting.

Now that the Seed vs Bomber bullshit is fixed (I hope so...) there's still one big crap to get rid of : tankivacs and the TvT dumbness.
Dear INno and all the former STX boys.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
January 26 2016 11:20 GMT
#86
I mostly agree with the changes, though I do think a colossus buff or a liberator nerf will be needed for Protoss to be able to play straight vs T.
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
January 26 2016 11:22 GMT
#87
On January 26 2016 13:45 StarscreamG1 wrote:
Now everybody will notice how weak lotv protoss is. Without the economic lead PO and Adepts were giving, liberayors and ravagers will demolish protoss.


Openers in both matchups have to be a fair bit safer. (Or we need a whole new map pool that is P favoured).

Vs terrans P needeed to kill like 6-8 SCVs to get to even.


I believe PvT will be close to even. Nothing huge anyway. But PvZ will be a fucking pain.
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
January 26 2016 11:33 GMT
#88
On January 26 2016 15:43 starslayer wrote:
LOVING the protoss tears in this thread its great, maybe now toss wont PO a scouting scv or an OL ( prolly still will) and maybe have to think about when to Overcharge rather then being about to spam it and make units again, also hopefully they cant just take 3 base off one unit and a couple pylons for the threat of pylon rushes or warp prism drops. It really sad how toss think its ok too be so greedy and basically defend everything. but if terran or zerg could do it, its a problem.

this patch is very much needed and hopefully toss understand you should need units to defend bases and not supply structures. and think about it if toss does go to shit that means (hopefully) blizzard will buff units and not one of the worst designed abilities ever created. (which they should've done in HOTS)

also there is still alot of work on LOTV to become a good game mass libs is just silly needs tech lab,"skill shot" ravagers still need a look at, shade increase for adepts, channeling snipe, boring infestors, cyclone are just like the reaper in that you use them early to push away banshee/ warp prisms and thats really it, tankvac is just silly, warp prism range needs to be like 3 not 6. if no tech lab for libs no upgrade. and maybe not sure yet a slight dmg nerf to distruptors but idk yet.

but ill say blizzard is listening and taking the right steps.small slow steps but were getting there.


So you are claiming Protoss bases are earlier than Zergs. Get out!
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
January 26 2016 11:38 GMT
#89
On January 26 2016 19:25 ProtossMasterRace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2016 19:22 ETisME wrote:
These are big nerf to protoss, surprised nothing is buff to compensate other than the damage.
Protoss has to reconfigure their builds with this nerf


Protoss will have around 30-40% winrate against terran and probably single digit against zerg. The glory days of starcraft are over.


30-40% is really yelling "worst update ever". It will definately not be that bad. No one will take you seriously when you are claiming things the whole scene knows not to be true. From bronze to GM.
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
DarkGamer
Profile Joined November 2012
Germany330 Posts
January 26 2016 11:48 GMT
#90
please people ... so many protoss are whining. i played A LOT of random and its obvious that adepts shouldnt 2-hit marines. thats the change. and pylon overcharge for p in pvz in the beginning was too strong (im talking of master and grandmaster level - the other levels cant compare on a high tactical level and shouldnt complain here anyway. building 2-3 more units before taking the third isnt relevant on these leagues.
please take in mind that adepts are still strong and photon overcharge as well!
SeriousLus
Profile Joined July 2012
169 Posts
January 26 2016 11:52 GMT
#91
what ridiculous changes.. wth
ProtossMasterRace
Profile Joined January 2016
57 Posts
January 26 2016 11:56 GMT
#92
On January 26 2016 20:38 Mozdk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2016 19:25 ProtossMasterRace wrote:
On January 26 2016 19:22 ETisME wrote:
These are big nerf to protoss, surprised nothing is buff to compensate other than the damage.
Protoss has to reconfigure their builds with this nerf


Protoss will have around 30-40% winrate against terran and probably single digit against zerg. The glory days of starcraft are over.


30-40% is really yelling "worst update ever". It will definately not be that bad. No one will take you seriously when you are claiming things the whole scene knows not to be true. From bronze to GM.


PvZ is already at 41% and there is a toss nerf so it can only go lower.
Ace Frehley
Profile Joined December 2012
2030 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-26 11:58:10
January 26 2016 11:56 GMT
#93
On January 26 2016 19:22 ETisME wrote:
These are big nerf to protoss, surprised nothing is buff to compensate other than the damage.
Protoss has to reconfigure their builds with this nerf


That's the point. If you are too strong and get 'compensation' after a nerf, nothing really changes.
And adepts+warp prism will still be a pain in the ass and keep terran stuck in their base for a while
...
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4557 Posts
January 26 2016 11:58 GMT
#94
On January 26 2016 20:56 ProtossMasterRace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2016 20:38 Mozdk wrote:
On January 26 2016 19:25 ProtossMasterRace wrote:
On January 26 2016 19:22 ETisME wrote:
These are big nerf to protoss, surprised nothing is buff to compensate other than the damage.
Protoss has to reconfigure their builds with this nerf


Protoss will have around 30-40% winrate against terran and probably single digit against zerg. The glory days of starcraft are over.


30-40% is really yelling "worst update ever". It will definately not be that bad. No one will take you seriously when you are claiming things the whole scene knows not to be true. From bronze to GM.


PvZ is already at 41% and there is a toss nerf so it can only go lower.


As long as you can win premier tournaments by beating zergs 4-1 in the finals it's all good, right?
AbouSV
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany1278 Posts
January 26 2016 12:02 GMT
#95
What is the starting energy for MSC?
What will be the energy for PO?
IcemanAsi
Profile Joined March 2011
Israel681 Posts
January 26 2016 12:04 GMT
#96
I wonder how relevant the Parasitic bomb nerf is to ZvP.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55585 Posts
January 26 2016 12:09 GMT
#97
On January 26 2016 21:02 AbouSV wrote:
What is the starting energy for MSC?
What will be the energy for PO?

Starting energy is 50. So it spawns with one PO ready after the patch when it spawned with energy for 2 before.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
AbouSV
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany1278 Posts
January 26 2016 12:10 GMT
#98
On January 26 2016 21:09 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2016 21:02 AbouSV wrote:
What is the starting energy for MSC?
What will be the energy for PO?

Starting energy is 50. So it spawns with one PO ready after the patch when it spawned with energy for 2 before.


To be pinned for all those arguing that you will have to wait to be able to PO for the first time when the MSC pops.
Thank you!
Skytale1i
Profile Joined January 2016
31 Posts
January 26 2016 12:11 GMT
#99
From my experience as P playing against zergs was hard. This should make it harder if the zerg goes for early aggression.
Against T something needed to change, though middle/late game will probably be hard.
ProtossMasterRace
Profile Joined January 2016
57 Posts
January 26 2016 12:11 GMT
#100
On January 26 2016 20:58 Laurens wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2016 20:56 ProtossMasterRace wrote:
On January 26 2016 20:38 Mozdk wrote:
On January 26 2016 19:25 ProtossMasterRace wrote:
On January 26 2016 19:22 ETisME wrote:
These are big nerf to protoss, surprised nothing is buff to compensate other than the damage.
Protoss has to reconfigure their builds with this nerf


Protoss will have around 30-40% winrate against terran and probably single digit against zerg. The glory days of starcraft are over.


30-40% is really yelling "worst update ever". It will definately not be that bad. No one will take you seriously when you are claiming things the whole scene knows not to be true. From bronze to GM.


PvZ is already at 41% and there is a toss nerf so it can only go lower.


As long as you can win premier tournaments by beating zergs 4-1 in the finals it's all good, right?


It was really well played by the protoss obviously and bad by the zerg. There is nothing more to it.
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