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Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4557 Posts
January 26 2016 12:14 GMT
#101
On January 26 2016 21:11 ProtossMasterRace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2016 20:58 Laurens wrote:
On January 26 2016 20:56 ProtossMasterRace wrote:
On January 26 2016 20:38 Mozdk wrote:
On January 26 2016 19:25 ProtossMasterRace wrote:
On January 26 2016 19:22 ETisME wrote:
These are big nerf to protoss, surprised nothing is buff to compensate other than the damage.
Protoss has to reconfigure their builds with this nerf


Protoss will have around 30-40% winrate against terran and probably single digit against zerg. The glory days of starcraft are over.


30-40% is really yelling "worst update ever". It will definately not be that bad. No one will take you seriously when you are claiming things the whole scene knows not to be true. From bronze to GM.


PvZ is already at 41% and there is a toss nerf so it can only go lower.


As long as you can win premier tournaments by beating zergs 4-1 in the finals it's all good, right?


It was really well played by the protoss obviously and bad by the zerg. There is nothing more to it.


Bly played bad? Haha.

But I'm glad you've found the solution for yourself: start playing well.
sa1Ko
Profile Joined July 2015
Argentina99 Posts
January 26 2016 12:21 GMT
#102
I am getting diabetes.... Protoss tears are too sweet :D
Next time tell players like Seed not to thank DK on a televised game for his wins ! Hahahahaha
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
January 26 2016 12:23 GMT
#103
On January 26 2016 20:56 ProtossMasterRace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2016 20:38 Mozdk wrote:
On January 26 2016 19:25 ProtossMasterRace wrote:
On January 26 2016 19:22 ETisME wrote:
These are big nerf to protoss, surprised nothing is buff to compensate other than the damage.
Protoss has to reconfigure their builds with this nerf


Protoss will have around 30-40% winrate against terran and probably single digit against zerg. The glory days of starcraft are over.


30-40% is really yelling "worst update ever". It will definately not be that bad. No one will take you seriously when you are claiming things the whole scene knows not to be true. From bronze to GM.


PvZ is already at 41% and there is a toss nerf so it can only go lower.


Yes it can. But claiming single digits is just moronic.

And alligulac balance is not the end all stats of truth. Just so you know.

We need the game to be balance at the top level. Not in gold league.
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
January 26 2016 12:24 GMT
#104
On January 26 2016 21:02 AbouSV wrote:
What is the starting energy for MSC?
What will be the energy for PO?


50 and 50
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
January 26 2016 12:25 GMT
#105
On January 26 2016 21:14 Laurens wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2016 21:11 ProtossMasterRace wrote:
On January 26 2016 20:58 Laurens wrote:
On January 26 2016 20:56 ProtossMasterRace wrote:
On January 26 2016 20:38 Mozdk wrote:
On January 26 2016 19:25 ProtossMasterRace wrote:
On January 26 2016 19:22 ETisME wrote:
These are big nerf to protoss, surprised nothing is buff to compensate other than the damage.
Protoss has to reconfigure their builds with this nerf


Protoss will have around 30-40% winrate against terran and probably single digit against zerg. The glory days of starcraft are over.


30-40% is really yelling "worst update ever". It will definately not be that bad. No one will take you seriously when you are claiming things the whole scene knows not to be true. From bronze to GM.


PvZ is already at 41% and there is a toss nerf so it can only go lower.


As long as you can win premier tournaments by beating zergs 4-1 in the finals it's all good, right?


It was really well played by the protoss obviously and bad by the zerg. There is nothing more to it.


Bly played bad? Haha.

But I'm glad you've found the solution for yourself: start playing well.


Bly did play a bad finals. Rewatch to confirm.
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
mr.food
Profile Joined January 2016
2 Posts
January 26 2016 12:27 GMT
#106
I don't understand why does it say that PO lasts for 14 sec when you play the map, but in these changes it says 15 to 20? Neither of which seem to be true
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
January 26 2016 12:28 GMT
#107
On January 26 2016 21:23 Mozdk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2016 20:56 ProtossMasterRace wrote:
On January 26 2016 20:38 Mozdk wrote:
On January 26 2016 19:25 ProtossMasterRace wrote:
On January 26 2016 19:22 ETisME wrote:
These are big nerf to protoss, surprised nothing is buff to compensate other than the damage.
Protoss has to reconfigure their builds with this nerf


Protoss will have around 30-40% winrate against terran and probably single digit against zerg. The glory days of starcraft are over.


30-40% is really yelling "worst update ever". It will definately not be that bad. No one will take you seriously when you are claiming things the whole scene knows not to be true. From bronze to GM.


PvZ is already at 41% and there is a toss nerf so it can only go lower.


Yes it can. But claiming single digits is just moronic.

And alligulac balance is not the end all stats of truth. Just so you know.

We need the game to be balance at the top level. Not in gold league.

It takes only professional games, isn't it?
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55567 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-26 12:30:49
January 26 2016 12:29 GMT
#108
On January 26 2016 21:28 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2016 21:23 Mozdk wrote:
On January 26 2016 20:56 ProtossMasterRace wrote:
On January 26 2016 20:38 Mozdk wrote:
On January 26 2016 19:25 ProtossMasterRace wrote:
On January 26 2016 19:22 ETisME wrote:
These are big nerf to protoss, surprised nothing is buff to compensate other than the damage.
Protoss has to reconfigure their builds with this nerf


Protoss will have around 30-40% winrate against terran and probably single digit against zerg. The glory days of starcraft are over.


30-40% is really yelling "worst update ever". It will definately not be that bad. No one will take you seriously when you are claiming things the whole scene knows not to be true. From bronze to GM.


PvZ is already at 41% and there is a toss nerf so it can only go lower.


Yes it can. But claiming single digits is just moronic.

And alligulac balance is not the end all stats of truth. Just so you know.

We need the game to be balance at the top level. Not in gold league.

It takes only professional games, isn't it?

The games can be of vastly different quality. It includes games from actual pro level players against amateurs and semi-pros aswell, which screws up all the numbers for things like qualifiers and even Dreamhacks.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
adamhu10
Profile Joined October 2015
4 Posts
January 26 2016 12:32 GMT
#109
Who cares about EU and NA scores? The game should be balanced only for GSL, SSL and Proleague - you know, actual top level Starcraft.
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
January 26 2016 12:32 GMT
#110
On January 26 2016 21:28 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2016 21:23 Mozdk wrote:
On January 26 2016 20:56 ProtossMasterRace wrote:
On January 26 2016 20:38 Mozdk wrote:
On January 26 2016 19:25 ProtossMasterRace wrote:
On January 26 2016 19:22 ETisME wrote:
These are big nerf to protoss, surprised nothing is buff to compensate other than the damage.
Protoss has to reconfigure their builds with this nerf


Protoss will have around 30-40% winrate against terran and probably single digit against zerg. The glory days of starcraft are over.


30-40% is really yelling "worst update ever". It will definately not be that bad. No one will take you seriously when you are claiming things the whole scene knows not to be true. From bronze to GM.


PvZ is already at 41% and there is a toss nerf so it can only go lower.


Yes it can. But claiming single digits is just moronic.

And alligulac balance is not the end all stats of truth. Just so you know.

We need the game to be balance at the top level. Not in gold league.

It takes only professional games, isn't it?


Well it doesn't say that. We don't know what data they are using. Other than top ladder. We don't know if this means diamond+ or top 20 GM.

You can't rely on stats when you don't know what pool of matches the stats are coming from. It's not a valid argument. And it wouldn't be anywhere.
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4557 Posts
January 26 2016 12:34 GMT
#111
On January 26 2016 21:32 adamhu10 wrote:
Who cares about EU and NA scores? The game should be balanced only for GSL, SSL and Proleague - you know, actual top level Starcraft.


Last I checked, Protoss players in GSL were thanking David Kim and Korean coaches were demanding nerfs. So it looks like top level starcraft agrees with this patch.
Longduzboub
Profile Joined June 2013
40 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-26 12:40:39
January 26 2016 12:34 GMT
#112
On January 26 2016 21:29 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2016 21:28 deacon.frost wrote:
On January 26 2016 21:23 Mozdk wrote:
On January 26 2016 20:56 ProtossMasterRace wrote:
On January 26 2016 20:38 Mozdk wrote:
On January 26 2016 19:25 ProtossMasterRace wrote:
On January 26 2016 19:22 ETisME wrote:
These are big nerf to protoss, surprised nothing is buff to compensate other than the damage.
Protoss has to reconfigure their builds with this nerf


Protoss will have around 30-40% winrate against terran and probably single digit against zerg. The glory days of starcraft are over.


30-40% is really yelling "worst update ever". It will definately not be that bad. No one will take you seriously when you are claiming things the whole scene knows not to be true. From bronze to GM.


PvZ is already at 41% and there is a toss nerf so it can only go lower.


Yes it can. But claiming single digits is just moronic.

And alligulac balance is not the end all stats of truth. Just so you know.

We need the game to be balance at the top level. Not in gold league.

It takes only professional games, isn't it?

The games can be of vastly different quality. It includes games from actual pro level players against amateurs and semi-pros aswell, which screws up all the numbers for things like qualifiers and even Dreamhacks.

Weird, numbers are screwed in zerg's favour every single season

On January 26 2016 21:32 Mozdk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2016 21:28 deacon.frost wrote:
On January 26 2016 21:23 Mozdk wrote:
On January 26 2016 20:56 ProtossMasterRace wrote:
On January 26 2016 20:38 Mozdk wrote:
On January 26 2016 19:25 ProtossMasterRace wrote:
On January 26 2016 19:22 ETisME wrote:
These are big nerf to protoss, surprised nothing is buff to compensate other than the damage.
Protoss has to reconfigure their builds with this nerf


Protoss will have around 30-40% winrate against terran and probably single digit against zerg. The glory days of starcraft are over.


30-40% is really yelling "worst update ever". It will definately not be that bad. No one will take you seriously when you are claiming things the whole scene knows not to be true. From bronze to GM.


PvZ is already at 41% and there is a toss nerf so it can only go lower.


Yes it can. But claiming single digits is just moronic.

And alligulac balance is not the end all stats of truth. Just so you know.

We need the game to be balance at the top level. Not in gold league.

It takes only professional games, isn't it?


Well it doesn't say that. We don't know what data they are using. Other than top ladder. We don't know if this means diamond+ or top 20 GM.

You can't rely on stats when you don't know what pool of matches the stats are coming from. It's not a valid argument. And it wouldn't be anywhere.

Aligulac is based on tournament games only, for the 'ranking' page at least. Dunno about the 'balance report' charts.
kaluro
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands760 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-26 12:42:37
January 26 2016 12:39 GMT
#113
On January 26 2016 14:21 BronzeKnee wrote:
I recommend you click the link I provided or provide me some links that show Protoss with a winning percentage.

PvZ, in terms of winrate, is in the worst place it has ever been in. Neither race has ever been favored as much as Zerg is right now. Terran is favored in PvT, in terms of winrate. I know that is hard to understand given what Seed said and the what Terrans are saying, but the facts speak clearly, Terran wins more often against Protoss than vice versa.

So I don't know what you are talking about. Ptitdrogo pulled a Fruitdealer.


In korea protosses are really extremely dominant. Korea is miles ahead of the metagame and protoss is such a dominant force there. The fact that you decide to add in non-korean statistics doesn't mean that protoss isn't in an incredible spot right now
www.twitch.tv/kaluroo - 720p60fps - Remember the name! - Don't do your best, do whatever it takes.
Kurbz
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia88 Posts
January 26 2016 12:44 GMT
#114
I don't know why anyone is surprised, the game is only ever balanced at the pro scene while the lower divisions cop the pineapple.
Never argue with an idiot, they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
rockslave
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Brazil318 Posts
January 26 2016 12:50 GMT
#115
Best patch ever!

PvT needed it a lot, just look at TY x Patience. The lesser player wins if and only if he adept rushes.

PvZ will be hard indeed, but other solutions are needed. PO is boring. The game is not supposed to symmetric. Protoss should be stronger than zerg on less bases, but have trouble expanding as much. Perhaps roach/ravager should be nerfed, not protoss buffed.
What qxc said.
cutler
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany609 Posts
January 26 2016 12:58 GMT
#116
I like this change
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12421 Posts
January 26 2016 13:02 GMT
#117
Don't go play LoL or whatever... The balance won't be changed in two months, you should try and figure out how to win under the new circumstances (it's kind of the point of the game really).
No will to live, no wish to die
TheoMikkelsen
Profile Joined June 2013
Denmark196 Posts
January 26 2016 13:07 GMT
#118
I am very afraid for the protoss race.
Any sufficiently cheesy build is indistinguishable in skill
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
January 26 2016 13:14 GMT
#119
On January 26 2016 21:44 Kurbz wrote:
I don't know why anyone is surprised, the game is only ever balanced at the pro scene while the lower divisions cop the pineapple.

SC2's equivalent to: "My teammates suck."
ProtossMasterRace
Profile Joined January 2016
57 Posts
January 26 2016 13:15 GMT
#120
On January 26 2016 21:50 rockslave wrote:
Best patch ever!

PvT needed it a lot, just look at TY x Patience. The lesser player wins if and only if he adept rushes.

PvZ will be hard indeed, but other solutions are needed. PO is boring. The game is not supposed to symmetric. Protoss should be stronger than zerg on less bases, but have trouble expanding as much. Perhaps roach/ravager should be nerfed, not protoss buffed.


TY won that game and he is the terran...don't know what you are talking about and Patience is the rank 1 on Korean GM ladder so he should be a decent enough player.
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