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Laurens
Belgium4558 Posts
On January 26 2016 21:11 ProtossMasterRace wrote: It was really well played by the protoss obviously and bad by the zerg. There is nothing more to it. Bly played bad? Haha. But I'm glad you've found the solution for yourself: start playing well. | ||
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sa1Ko
Argentina99 Posts
Next time tell players like Seed not to thank DK on a televised game for his wins ! Hahahahaha | ||
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Mozdk
Denmark6989 Posts
On January 26 2016 20:56 ProtossMasterRace wrote: PvZ is already at 41% and there is a toss nerf so it can only go lower. Yes it can. But claiming single digits is just moronic. And alligulac balance is not the end all stats of truth. Just so you know. We need the game to be balance at the top level. Not in gold league. | ||
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Mozdk
Denmark6989 Posts
On January 26 2016 21:02 AbouSV wrote: What is the starting energy for MSC? What will be the energy for PO? 50 and 50 | ||
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Mozdk
Denmark6989 Posts
On January 26 2016 21:14 Laurens wrote: Bly played bad? Haha. But I'm glad you've found the solution for yourself: start playing well. Bly did play a bad finals. Rewatch to confirm. | ||
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mr.food
2 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12134 Posts
On January 26 2016 21:23 Mozdk wrote: Yes it can. But claiming single digits is just moronic. And alligulac balance is not the end all stats of truth. Just so you know. We need the game to be balance at the top level. Not in gold league. It takes only professional games, isn't it? | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On January 26 2016 21:28 deacon.frost wrote: It takes only professional games, isn't it? The games can be of vastly different quality. It includes games from actual pro level players against amateurs and semi-pros aswell, which screws up all the numbers for things like qualifiers and even Dreamhacks. | ||
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adamhu10
4 Posts
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Mozdk
Denmark6989 Posts
On January 26 2016 21:28 deacon.frost wrote: It takes only professional games, isn't it? Well it doesn't say that. We don't know what data they are using. Other than top ladder. We don't know if this means diamond+ or top 20 GM. You can't rely on stats when you don't know what pool of matches the stats are coming from. It's not a valid argument. And it wouldn't be anywhere. | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4558 Posts
On January 26 2016 21:32 adamhu10 wrote: Who cares about EU and NA scores? The game should be balanced only for GSL, SSL and Proleague - you know, actual top level Starcraft. Last I checked, Protoss players in GSL were thanking David Kim and Korean coaches were demanding nerfs. So it looks like top level starcraft agrees with this patch. | ||
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Longduzboub
40 Posts
On January 26 2016 21:29 Elentos wrote: The games can be of vastly different quality. It includes games from actual pro level players against amateurs and semi-pros aswell, which screws up all the numbers for things like qualifiers and even Dreamhacks. Weird, numbers are screwed in zerg's favour every single season On January 26 2016 21:32 Mozdk wrote: Well it doesn't say that. We don't know what data they are using. Other than top ladder. We don't know if this means diamond+ or top 20 GM. You can't rely on stats when you don't know what pool of matches the stats are coming from. It's not a valid argument. And it wouldn't be anywhere. Aligulac is based on tournament games only, for the 'ranking' page at least. Dunno about the 'balance report' charts. | ||
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kaluro
Netherlands760 Posts
On January 26 2016 14:21 BronzeKnee wrote: I recommend you click the link I provided or provide me some links that show Protoss with a winning percentage. PvZ, in terms of winrate, is in the worst place it has ever been in. Neither race has ever been favored as much as Zerg is right now. Terran is favored in PvT, in terms of winrate. I know that is hard to understand given what Seed said and the what Terrans are saying, but the facts speak clearly, Terran wins more often against Protoss than vice versa. So I don't know what you are talking about. Ptitdrogo pulled a Fruitdealer. In korea protosses are really extremely dominant. Korea is miles ahead of the metagame and protoss is such a dominant force there. The fact that you decide to add in non-korean statistics doesn't mean that protoss isn't in an incredible spot right now  | ||
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Kurbz
Australia88 Posts
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rockslave
Brazil318 Posts
PvT needed it a lot, just look at TY x Patience. The lesser player wins if and only if he adept rushes. PvZ will be hard indeed, but other solutions are needed. PO is boring. The game is not supposed to symmetric. Protoss should be stronger than zerg on less bases, but have trouble expanding as much. Perhaps roach/ravager should be nerfed, not protoss buffed. | ||
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cutler
Germany609 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12592 Posts
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TheoMikkelsen
Denmark196 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On January 26 2016 21:44 Kurbz wrote: I don't know why anyone is surprised, the game is only ever balanced at the pro scene while the lower divisions cop the pineapple. SC2's equivalent to: "My teammates suck." | ||
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ProtossMasterRace
57 Posts
On January 26 2016 21:50 rockslave wrote: Best patch ever! PvT needed it a lot, just look at TY x Patience. The lesser player wins if and only if he adept rushes. PvZ will be hard indeed, but other solutions are needed. PO is boring. The game is not supposed to symmetric. Protoss should be stronger than zerg on less bases, but have trouble expanding as much. Perhaps roach/ravager should be nerfed, not protoss buffed. TY won that game and he is the terran...don't know what you are talking about and Patience is the rank 1 on Korean GM ladder so he should be a decent enough player. | ||
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