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CheddarToss
Profile Joined September 2015
534 Posts
January 30 2016 00:33 GMT
#341
On January 30 2016 08:51 Mattitude905 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2016 05:40 StarscreamG1 wrote:
On January 29 2016 12:28 Mattitude905 wrote:
On January 26 2016 13:45 StarscreamG1 wrote:
Now everybody will notice how weak lotv protoss is. Without the economic lead PO and Adepts were giving, liberayors and ravagers will demolish protoss.



People like you are just beyond ignorant to the state of the game if you think LotV protoss is weak.

Ok smart guy, let's wait for it ok? Remember my words and your words. I'm telling you, protoss is doing ok because of MACRO advantage. The adepts menace (requires cyclone and viking/lib) early on, and the PO security is allowing it on PvT/PvZ.



Protoss late game options are undisputedly the strongest.

I stopped reading after this.
oErMeNs
Profile Joined May 2010
7 Posts
January 30 2016 00:48 GMT
#342
As a random player I am totally down with these changes. I can understand that truth hurts sometimes, but some of you protoss players were just not as good as the ladder made you believe. So back to work on your 'strategy' skills if you want to maintain your positions.
Input, Output, Kaput!
HelpMeGetBetter
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States764 Posts
January 30 2016 00:52 GMT
#343
Apparently they messed up the PO change. It's 14 seconds not 20
CheddarToss
Profile Joined September 2015
534 Posts
January 30 2016 01:04 GMT
#344
On January 30 2016 09:48 oErMeNs wrote:
As a random player I am totally down with these changes. I can understand that truth hurts sometimes, but some of you protoss players were just not as good as the ladder made you believe. So back to work on your 'strategy' skills if you want to maintain your positions.

And the truth is what? That PvZ was Protoss favoured and that the PO nerf was therefore needed?
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9433 Posts
January 30 2016 01:08 GMT
#345
On January 30 2016 09:52 HelpMeGetBetter wrote:
Apparently they messed up the PO change. It's 14 seconds not 20


The numbers in the editor are still in HOTS/WOL-time. I am sure DK forgets that everytime he writes these community feedback posts.
oErMeNs
Profile Joined May 2010
7 Posts
January 30 2016 13:09 GMT
#346
On January 30 2016 10:04 CheddarToss wrote:

And the truth is what? That PvZ was Protoss favoured and that the PO nerf was therefore needed?


The truth is that Protoss should make an army to secure a 3rd base just like Zergs and Terrans. Aggresion counters greed which wasn't the case against Protoss. I know you're hurt, but dry your tears and start making some units instead.

User was warned for this post
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CheddarToss
Profile Joined September 2015
534 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-30 13:26:53
January 30 2016 13:19 GMT
#347
On January 30 2016 22:09 oErMeNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2016 10:04 CheddarToss wrote:

And the truth is what? That PvZ was Protoss favoured and that the PO nerf was therefore needed?


The truth is that Protoss should make an army to secure a 3rd base just like Zergs and Terrans. Aggresion counters greed which wasn't the case against Protoss. I know you're hurt, but dry your tears and start making some units instead.

Oh, OK, then Zerg should make X production buildings, just like Protoss and Terran, and not just plant one and build unlimited number of units. Let's see how many units Zerg can amass then. In this case I would be more than happy if MsC were removed. Especially if Terrans had no reactors but also had to build double the amount of baracks, factories and starports just like Protoss.

See what I did there? In an asymmetrical RTS different races are different. Protoss shouldn't do anything like Terran/Zerg.

Edit:

And since when does aggression counter greedy Zergs? Is there a way to prevent a Zerg from going 3 hatch before pool? Nope, in LotV Zerg is pretty much guaranteed a greedy start into the game. And that is OK as long as Protoss and Terran have mechanisms to keep up. And Protoss' mechanism was the PO. I don't think Protoss can keep up with the current patch.
PPN
Profile Joined August 2011
France248 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-30 13:36:58
January 30 2016 13:33 GMT
#348
On January 30 2016 22:09 oErMeNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2016 10:04 CheddarToss wrote:

And the truth is what? That PvZ was Protoss favoured and that the PO nerf was therefore needed?


The truth is that Protoss should make an army to secure a 3rd base just like Zergs and Terrans. Aggresion counters greed which wasn't the case against Protoss. I know you're hurt, but dry your tears and start making some units instead.


Okay then tell me how I can afford a 3rd in a timely fashion to not be outmacroed on some maps (Prion or Central for instance) when I have to make additionnal buildings and make units that cost double any of yours. There is a reason PO bandaid was introduced. You cannot split the only 2 units you have when you have to be greedy to be able to keep up with the other races' macro.
Wowed
Profile Joined December 2015
3 Posts
January 30 2016 14:52 GMT
#349
Please Nerf toss more
ProtossMasterRace
Profile Joined January 2016
57 Posts
January 30 2016 15:36 GMT
#350
On January 30 2016 23:52 Wowed wrote:
Please Nerf toss more


Please learn to play more.
parkufarku
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
882 Posts
January 31 2016 03:22 GMT
#351
Terran is undisputedly the strongest late game race, with the most cost effective supply options, and static defensive options ( good luck trying to block through several PFs that are being repaired and supported by turrets)
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16063 Posts
January 31 2016 03:26 GMT
#352
On January 31 2016 12:22 parkufarku wrote:
Terran is undisputedly the strongest late game race, with the most cost effective supply options, and static defensive options ( good luck trying to block through several PFs that are being repaired and supported by turrets)

tempest ht and broodlord viper is far superior than everything terran can make.
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BroodRood
Profile Joined January 2016
3 Posts
January 31 2016 04:09 GMT
#353
Honestly the PO overcharge for 50 energy is too much, its so much harder to take a third when they just spam lings. #Tears
MasterCynical
Profile Joined September 2012
505 Posts
January 31 2016 12:37 GMT
#354
I feel like this was a long overdue patch and there was more than enough evidence to bring this out before dreamhack/major code A games... but guess david kims just trying to be careful and scared of preemptive patching like all the fails it caused in that past like the with the widow mine...
parkufarku
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
882 Posts
February 01 2016 01:34 GMT
#355
On January 31 2016 12:26 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2016 12:22 parkufarku wrote:
Terran is undisputedly the strongest late game race, with the most cost effective supply options, and static defensive options ( good luck trying to block through several PFs that are being repaired and supported by turrets)

tempest ht and broodlord viper is far superior than everything terran can make.


lol?

Mass BCs, Ravens, Thors, Liberators will demolish anything that Protoss / Zerg throw at them.
Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2656 Posts
February 01 2016 01:37 GMT
#356
On February 01 2016 10:34 parkufarku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2016 12:26 Charoisaur wrote:
On January 31 2016 12:22 parkufarku wrote:
Terran is undisputedly the strongest late game race, with the most cost effective supply options, and static defensive options ( good luck trying to block through several PFs that are being repaired and supported by turrets)

tempest ht and broodlord viper is far superior than everything terran can make.


lol?

Mass BCs, Ravens, Thors, Liberators will demolish anything that Protoss / Zerg throw at them.


If you've said something like ghost/liberator it might have made some sense, but BCs? Thors? Ravens? These unit suck in current LotV.
plogamer
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada3132 Posts
February 01 2016 01:51 GMT
#357
On February 01 2016 10:37 Lexender wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2016 10:34 parkufarku wrote:
On January 31 2016 12:26 Charoisaur wrote:
On January 31 2016 12:22 parkufarku wrote:
Terran is undisputedly the strongest late game race, with the most cost effective supply options, and static defensive options ( good luck trying to block through several PFs that are being repaired and supported by turrets)

tempest ht and broodlord viper is far superior than everything terran can make.


lol?

Mass BCs, Ravens, Thors, Liberators will demolish anything that Protoss / Zerg throw at them.


If you've said something like ghost/liberator it might have made some sense, but BCs? Thors? Ravens? These unit suck in current LotV.


It's understandable that Parkfarku would think that way. Look at all the highest level TvZs, those units are dominating that match up. Oh wait, Korean Zergs find mid-game most challenging versus Terrans. Ignore this poster's ignorance and you'll be better off.
InfCereal
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada1759 Posts
February 01 2016 02:00 GMT
#358
On January 30 2016 22:09 oErMeNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2016 10:04 CheddarToss wrote:

And the truth is what? That PvZ was Protoss favoured and that the PO nerf was therefore needed?


The truth is that Protoss should make an army to secure a 3rd base just like Zergs and Terrans. Aggresion counters greed which wasn't the case against Protoss. I know you're hurt, but dry your tears and start making some units instead.

User was warned for this post


I dunno about you mang, but I definitely don't make an army to secure my third.

/zerg
Cereal
Beliskner
Profile Joined August 2015
111 Posts
February 01 2016 02:16 GMT
#359
On January 30 2016 22:09 oErMeNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2016 10:04 CheddarToss wrote:

And the truth is what? That PvZ was Protoss favoured and that the PO nerf was therefore needed?


The truth is that Protoss should make an army to secure a 3rd base just like Zergs and Terrans. Aggresion counters greed which wasn't the case against Protoss. I know you're hurt, but dry your tears and start making some units instead.

User was warned for this post


Because Zerg's don't go 3 hatch before pool or anything....
parkufarku
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
882 Posts
February 01 2016 02:24 GMT
#360
On February 01 2016 10:37 Lexender wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2016 10:34 parkufarku wrote:
On January 31 2016 12:26 Charoisaur wrote:
On January 31 2016 12:22 parkufarku wrote:
Terran is undisputedly the strongest late game race, with the most cost effective supply options, and static defensive options ( good luck trying to block through several PFs that are being repaired and supported by turrets)

tempest ht and broodlord viper is far superior than everything terran can make.


lol?

Mass BCs, Ravens, Thors, Liberators will demolish anything that Protoss / Zerg throw at them.


If you've said something like ghost/liberator it might have made some sense, but BCs? Thors? Ravens? These unit suck in current LotV.


I did say Libs.
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