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Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
December 24 2015 18:45 GMT
#81
All of the team houses are in Seoul, so cost of living should be similar to NYC.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Team_House
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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10254 Posts
December 24 2015 18:45 GMT
#82
On December 25 2015 02:49 GGzerG wrote:
Interesting...time to become KeSPA Pro!!

Is there a bot-hosting position available?
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
esReveR
Profile Joined February 2010
United States567 Posts
December 24 2015 18:55 GMT
#83
On December 25 2015 03:33 Nakajin wrote:
This is better then I tough honestly, of course the fact that they left out a lot of the player probably alter the result, since I guess Kespa cut at the bottom and not at the top, but still if you leave in a team house it is not that bad.

After a quick google search it seems like average salaries in Korea is around 22 000 of course programmer work more hours then the usual person but it seems to be a pretty good job.

Someone know the cost of life in Korea?



When I was living there in 2010, the cost of living wasn't very high. When you see that Korean pro gamers make more than the average annual income in South Korea, and factor in they don't have to pay for rent... they make a lot of money.
Skill is relative.
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-24 19:01:49
December 24 2015 19:01 GMT
#84
On December 25 2015 00:03 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2015 20:16 Tien Vu wrote:
how about dota2? it's the game with the largest prize pools so its star players must be earning shit tons of money right? and does anyone know if the average professional career of a sc2 player is longer than that of a MOBA player?

Koreans are pretty bad at dota. I mean really really bad. They do have some flukes sometimes but they get destroyed by random top SEA teams alot who couldn't even normally beat a single game out of the best CN,EU,NA(ofc those top SEA teams upset top teams from time to time too but it's kinda rare)

Though they still earned ton by placing middle of the last The International ( $829,333 that's alot but remember that the first placer got $6,634,661).


This hasn't been true since early 2014, Korean Dota is easily the best in SEA and had 2 teams in The International this year despite having like 25 people in the country who play it.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45182 Posts
December 24 2015 19:02 GMT
#85
On December 25 2015 03:45 Deathstar wrote:
All of the team houses are in Seoul, so cost of living should be similar to NYC.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Team_House


Apparently NYC is much more expensive than Seoul:

http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=South Korea&city1=Seoul&country2=United States&city2=New York, NY
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
December 24 2015 19:34 GMT
#86
On December 25 2015 04:01 Heyoka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2015 00:03 goody153 wrote:
On December 24 2015 20:16 Tien Vu wrote:
how about dota2? it's the game with the largest prize pools so its star players must be earning shit tons of money right? and does anyone know if the average professional career of a sc2 player is longer than that of a MOBA player?

Koreans are pretty bad at dota. I mean really really bad. They do have some flukes sometimes but they get destroyed by random top SEA teams alot who couldn't even normally beat a single game out of the best CN,EU,NA(ofc those top SEA teams upset top teams from time to time too but it's kinda rare)

Though they still earned ton by placing middle of the last The International ( $829,333 that's alot but remember that the first placer got $6,634,661).


This hasn't been true since early 2014, Korean Dota is easily the best in SEA and had 2 teams in The International this year despite having like 25 people in the country who play it.


The Korean infrastructure shone through this year. But props to MVP for putting together the only possible teams in the entire scene.


Though the hilarious part about being a SC2 & Dota2 fan is that Alex Garfield has managed to put collect 2 TI winning teams. The guy knows how to run Western Pro-teams.
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2719 Posts
December 25 2015 00:06 GMT
#87
On December 25 2015 03:45 Deathstar wrote:
All of the team houses are in Seoul, so cost of living should be similar to NYC.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Team_House

I thought room and board is covered on top of the salaries?
very illegal and very uncool
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2719 Posts
December 25 2015 00:09 GMT
#88
anyone know how much taxes the progamers pay based on their situation?
very illegal and very uncool
Chaggi
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1936 Posts
December 25 2015 00:13 GMT
#89
On December 25 2015 09:09 argonautdice wrote:
anyone know how much taxes the progamers pay based on their situation?


I was paying about 15-17% I believe and I declared about 50K
Thouhastmail
Profile Joined March 2015
Korea (North)876 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-25 08:15:17
December 25 2015 04:24 GMT
#90
On December 25 2015 03:45 Deathstar wrote:
All of the team houses are in Seoul, so cost of living should be similar to NYC.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Team_House


I think it's wrong. 3 of them are located in suburb.

For instance, JAGW and CJ's teamhouse is in Ilsan-gu, Goyang.
"Morality is simply the attitude we adopt towards people we personally dislike"
Chaggi
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1936 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-25 06:16:54
December 25 2015 06:11 GMT
#91
On December 25 2015 03:45 Deathstar wrote:
All of the team houses are in Seoul, so cost of living should be similar to NYC.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Team_House


Not all of Seoul has the same type of rent. For example, I lived a year in Gangnam and my rent was around 2,000$ month, and then I moved to near Sinchon (near where the TechnoMart is) and my rent went down to about 500$ / month. This was always living by myself.

I was looking for apartments in NYC and unless you want to go very far out, you're still looking at least $1,000 / month

edit: My $500/month apt was down the road from IM's house ->
Thouhastmail
Profile Joined March 2015
Korea (North)876 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-25 08:48:39
December 25 2015 08:39 GMT
#92
BTW it makes me feel strange, because I remember the glory days when NaDa got $250K per year.

There was a time when S players got over 200K, while even B+ class players got $4-50K excluding prizes.

Ahhhhhh, good days are gone.

"Morality is simply the attitude we adopt towards people we personally dislike"
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44236 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-25 10:37:26
December 25 2015 09:56 GMT
#93
On December 25 2015 04:01 Heyoka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2015 00:03 goody153 wrote:
On December 24 2015 20:16 Tien Vu wrote:
how about dota2? it's the game with the largest prize pools so its star players must be earning shit tons of money right? and does anyone know if the average professional career of a sc2 player is longer than that of a MOBA player?

Koreans are pretty bad at dota. I mean really really bad. They do have some flukes sometimes but they get destroyed by random top SEA teams alot who couldn't even normally beat a single game out of the best CN,EU,NA(ofc those top SEA teams upset top teams from time to time too but it's kinda rare)

Though they still earned ton by placing middle of the last The International ( $829,333 that's alot but remember that the first placer got $6,634,661).


This hasn't been true since early 2014, Korean Dota is easily the best in SEA and had 2 teams in The International this year despite having like 25 people in the country who play it.

Yeah i'm not sure about them being the best. They've always been destroyed by rave before(though if i think about it rave can be considered as part of the korean scene so i guess that's true for at least 2014)

they are not the best on SEA for a while now .. Mineski and Fnatic is the best atm

On December 25 2015 04:34 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2015 04:01 Heyoka wrote:
On December 25 2015 00:03 goody153 wrote:
On December 24 2015 20:16 Tien Vu wrote:
how about dota2? it's the game with the largest prize pools so its star players must be earning shit tons of money right? and does anyone know if the average professional career of a sc2 player is longer than that of a MOBA player?

Koreans are pretty bad at dota. I mean really really bad. They do have some flukes sometimes but they get destroyed by random top SEA teams alot who couldn't even normally beat a single game out of the best CN,EU,NA(ofc those top SEA teams upset top teams from time to time too but it's kinda rare)

Though they still earned ton by placing middle of the last The International ( $829,333 that's alot but remember that the first placer got $6,634,661).


This hasn't been true since early 2014, Korean Dota is easily the best in SEA and had 2 teams in The International this year despite having like 25 people in the country who play it.


The Korean infrastructure shone through this year. But props to MVP for putting together the only possible teams in the entire scene.


Though the hilarious part about being a SC2 & Dota2 fan is that Alex Garfield has managed to put collect 2 TI winning teams. The guy knows how to run Western Pro-teams.

Those TI winners aren't handpicked by alex garfield. Those two rosters already formed a long time before they got picked up by alex garfield.

Everything that happens inside the team from who stays on the team and who leaves are decided by the team members. The org involvement just makes stuff like travelling, taking care of the players food, plans/schedule sponsorships etc but gameplay and team chemistry are all on the team.
this is a quote
shid0x
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)5014 Posts
December 25 2015 10:54 GMT
#94
So 3300 euros per month ?
I got less with a Master degree, kespa is pretty good then.
RIP MKP
corydoras
Profile Joined November 2013
161 Posts
December 25 2015 17:52 GMT
#95
If we compare it to the average salaries in South Korea, this seems quite decent (en.wikipedia.org).
Adun toridas!
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
December 25 2015 19:55 GMT
#96
On December 24 2015 15:17 TR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2015 15:05 BreAKerTV wrote:
Faker easily gets 200k USD a month, if not from playing for SKT, definitely for streaming.

Yeah I'm sure he makes a lot more than some average KeSPA players do, but where did you get that "$200k a month" from? Just curious.

When you have 50k people watching and you're getting .50c an add or even less than that, after like 5-10 adds it adds up real fast, hell even .01c an add up gets up there pretty fast
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Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5711 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-25 20:01:06
December 25 2015 19:59 GMT
#97
On December 25 2015 17:39 Thouhastmail wrote:
BTW it makes me feel strange, because I remember the glory days when NaDa got $250K per year.

There was a time when S players got over 200K, while even B+ class players got $4-50K excluding prizes.

Ahhhhhh, good days are gone.



Right? I feel these numbers are super low compared to BW... What happened to the good ole days lol.
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RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6261 Posts
December 25 2015 21:23 GMT
#98
On December 26 2015 04:59 Zooper31 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2015 17:39 Thouhastmail wrote:
BTW it makes me feel strange, because I remember the glory days when NaDa got $250K per year.

There was a time when S players got over 200K, while even B+ class players got $4-50K excluding prizes.

Ahhhhhh, good days are gone.



Right? I feel these numbers are super low compared to BW... What happened to the good ole days lol.

Match fixing and people moving onto LoL I guess =/.
lastride
Profile Joined April 2014
2390 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-31 19:44:26
December 31 2015 19:42 GMT
#99
On December 25 2015 17:39 Thouhastmail wrote:
BTW it makes me feel strange, because I remember the glory days when NaDa got $250K per year.

There was a time when S players got over 200K, while even B+ class players got $4-50K excluding prizes.

Ahhhhhh, good days are gone.


So true, I remember the KT players Reach NalRa Yellow having huge contracts during the years 04-06
Imagine how much Boxer was earning that time
xenonn40
Profile Joined October 2011
United States282 Posts
January 01 2016 01:09 GMT
#100
On December 24 2015 20:40 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2015 20:27 Poopi wrote:
It saddens me that SC2 players get paid way less than LoL players despite the game being much harder and even the "well paid" ones aren't given too much.

As for the practice partners, they are definitively screwed salary wise :x.

If you compare with sportsmen, that's a normal trend that team sports pay more than individual sports


Not exactly, some of the top earning sportsmen are golfers and race car drivers. I am bad with my phone and can't link evidence at the moment.
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