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Darkdwarf
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Sweden960 Posts
December 24 2015 10:23 GMT
#41
What's talked about in this thread is obviously the lower row of the table. What does the top row say?
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aQuaSC
Profile Joined August 2011
717 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-24 10:27:14
December 24 2015 10:27 GMT
#42
On December 24 2015 19:23 Darkdwarf wrote:
What's talked about in this thread is obviously the lower row of the table. What does the top row say?

It's League of Legends players' average salary
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bduddy
Profile Joined May 2012
United States1326 Posts
December 24 2015 10:34 GMT
#43
On December 24 2015 19:04 aQuaSC wrote:
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On December 24 2015 18:59 OtherWorld wrote:
On December 24 2015 16:13 Liquid`Snute wrote:
from a non-Korean perspective ~$3000+/month seems to be a crazy strong baseline sc2 salary, especially if it's on top of free housing etc o_o good for the 25 listed in the sample size.

You really think $3000/month for someone who works every single day 12h+/day is good? According to my quick calculations it makes ~8€/hour, which is more than 1.5€/hour less than the minimum wage in France^^


You forgot to take free housing, food, coaches and free trips into your quick calculations, and you could support your 12h+ work day with some schedule (I believe that some play that much, but you can't compare sc2 to a regular work, or if you can, how exactly does it compare?).
See, this is exactly the "foreigner mindset". SC2 absolutely is their job 100%, regardless of how much they like playing it or not, and needs to be treated as such. Coaching and travel is part of that job, it's not some side benefit. Now, food and housing is a benefit, but SC2 teamhouses aren't exactly luxurious. Even in Seoul, somehow I doubt the going rate for a bunk bed is particularly high.
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aQuaSC
Profile Joined August 2011
717 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-24 10:48:09
December 24 2015 10:43 GMT
#44
On December 24 2015 19:34 bduddy wrote:
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On December 24 2015 19:04 aQuaSC wrote:
On December 24 2015 18:59 OtherWorld wrote:
On December 24 2015 16:13 Liquid`Snute wrote:
from a non-Korean perspective ~$3000+/month seems to be a crazy strong baseline sc2 salary, especially if it's on top of free housing etc o_o good for the 25 listed in the sample size.

You really think $3000/month for someone who works every single day 12h+/day is good? According to my quick calculations it makes ~8€/hour, which is more than 1.5€/hour less than the minimum wage in France^^


You forgot to take free housing, food, coaches and free trips into your quick calculations, and you could support your 12h+ work day with some schedule (I believe that some play that much, but you can't compare sc2 to a regular work, or if you can, how exactly does it compare?).
See, this is exactly the "foreigner mindset". SC2 absolutely is their job 100%, regardless of how much they like playing it or not, and needs to be treated as such. Coaching and travel is part of that job, it's not some side benefit. Now, food and housing is a benefit, but SC2 teamhouses aren't exactly luxurious. Even in Seoul, somehow I doubt the going rate for a bunk bed is particularly high.

And for foreigners to be considered decent they have to treat it as their job 150%, compete with Koreans and beat them having nothing close to their competitive ladder and practice, if you compare Korean infrastructure and support they are having to what foreigners have then... well. There is a need for infrastructure - there was pretty okay infrastructure in one point in time I think and the skill disparity between two regions wasn't that huge - it's hard for me to believe that anyone can be as good as KeSPA Korean from the "luxury" of their own house. And having nothing like salary they receive. I would like to see average top foreigner salary, I'd love to be wrong about that and have my eyes opened, maybe foreigners don't deserve anything.

But what do I know, I can only rely on logical (more or less) arguments
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Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4133 Posts
December 24 2015 10:53 GMT
#45
If you exclude the 10 LoL players, who earned +100k, Sc2 has most likely a better average income.
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
December 24 2015 11:06 GMT
#46
On December 24 2015 15:05 BreAKerTV wrote:
Faker easily gets 200k USD a month, if not from playing for SKT, definitely for streaming.


Would you like to show us any sources on that?
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Welmu
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Finland3295 Posts
December 24 2015 11:10 GMT
#47
Much higher avg salary than I'd have expected :o. MVP and Sbenu are propably very far from that
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Tien Vu
Profile Joined August 2015
184 Posts
December 24 2015 11:16 GMT
#48
how about dota2? it's the game with the largest prize pools so its star players must be earning shit tons of money right? and does anyone know if the average professional career of a sc2 player is longer than that of a MOBA player?
Pino
Profile Joined June 2013
1032 Posts
December 24 2015 11:22 GMT
#49
On December 24 2015 20:10 Welmu wrote:
Much higher avg salary than I'd have expected :o. MVP and Sbenu are propably very far from that


I even wonder wether they are being paid, or just less than 10K/year
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12884 Posts
December 24 2015 11:27 GMT
#50
It saddens me that SC2 players get paid way less than LoL players despite the game being much harder and even the "well paid" ones aren't given too much.

As for the practice partners, they are definitively screwed salary wise :x.
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
December 24 2015 11:40 GMT
#51
On December 24 2015 20:27 Poopi wrote:
It saddens me that SC2 players get paid way less than LoL players despite the game being much harder and even the "well paid" ones aren't given too much.

As for the practice partners, they are definitively screwed salary wise :x.

If you compare with sportsmen, that's a normal trend that team sports pay more than individual sports
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
December 24 2015 11:43 GMT
#52
On December 24 2015 20:16 Tien Vu wrote:
how about dota2? it's the game with the largest prize pools so its star players must be earning shit tons of money right? and does anyone know if the average professional career of a sc2 player is longer than that of a MOBA player?

KeSPA isn't into Dota2.
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Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
December 24 2015 11:53 GMT
#53
MVP's Dota teams did well with prize money this year though, Phoenix got a combined $951,419.89 between them mostly because of a 7-8th place finish at The International (~$800k). Not exactly a bright future for a Korean Dota player since there are like 15 dudes total who play the game there.
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RoomOfMush
Profile Joined March 2015
1296 Posts
December 24 2015 12:41 GMT
#54
On December 24 2015 20:27 Poopi wrote:
It saddens me that SC2 players get paid way less than LoL players despite the game being much harder and even the "well paid" ones aren't given too much.

As for the practice partners, they are definitively screwed salary wise :x.

Now compare the salaries of "real life" professional atheletes. Who do you think gets more money, people who play soccer or people who mountain climb?
Mina
Profile Joined April 2013
109 Posts
December 24 2015 12:43 GMT
#55
Do they get to keep 100% of their winnings? I imagine their teams want a cut.
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oGoZenob
Profile Joined December 2011
France1503 Posts
December 24 2015 14:11 GMT
#56
On December 24 2015 21:43 Mina wrote:
Do they get to keep 100% of their winnings? I imagine their teams want a cut.

the millenium manager said that the let their players (sc2 and other games) keep everything. I have no idea for kespa tho
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adymus
Profile Joined August 2011
Romania140 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-24 14:21:29
December 24 2015 14:17 GMT
#57
For me right now MVP has one smart owner ! They have a great sc2 team , then they get a great dota 2 team , they had league teams if i remeber thath they sold it to Samsung. Now they have 2 teams in HOTS and MVP Black just won WCA , and other events this year and got 200k in prizepool , and the second team 4k . And in november they got a CSGO team too.

So i think they are doing just fine , rly hope for 2016 the sc2 team to get good rezults too :D


Kespa and other teams thath offer house living i think they keep some money , so they can send you and etc.

And by the way guys dont forget thath they have gym , fun games , eating outside as a team so they dont just practice , sleep repeat all day :d


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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44125 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-24 15:06:39
December 24 2015 15:03 GMT
#58
On December 24 2015 20:16 Tien Vu wrote:
how about dota2? it's the game with the largest prize pools so its star players must be earning shit tons of money right? and does anyone know if the average professional career of a sc2 player is longer than that of a MOBA player?

Koreans are pretty bad at dota. I mean really really bad. They do have some flukes sometimes but they get destroyed by random top SEA teams alot who couldn't even normally beat a single game out of the best CN,EU,NA(ofc those top SEA teams upset top teams from time to time too but it's kinda rare)

Though they still earned ton by placing middle of the last The International ( $829,333 that's alot but remember that the first placer got $6,634,661).
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showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
December 24 2015 15:12 GMT
#59
This is a cherry picked list as has been pointed out and means basically nothing, the only question I have is did KeSPA do this to make things not seem as bad to justify the top heavy prize pools...or were they forced into it by someone else?
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brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
December 24 2015 15:15 GMT
#60
On December 24 2015 20:27 Poopi wrote:
It saddens me that SC2 players get paid way less than LoL players despite the game being much harder and even the "well paid" ones aren't given too much.

As for the practice partners, they are definitively screwed salary wise :x.

pro gamers don't get paid because they're talented at video games, they get paid because they entertain people. bigger audience = more entertainment = more money

it's not like being good at a video game or a difficult video game means you deserve money... it's based on whether people enjoy watching you do what you do
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