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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/3YombOE.jpg) As stated above, Kespa revealed the average salary for progamers in order to correct the misleading report from Korea Creative Content Agency. This excludes prizes, winning incentives and streaming incomes; considering this, the actual average income of SC2 progamers will be about $50K for a year. SC2(Jinair, SKT, KT, Samsung, CJ) players: 25 players Average incomes for 2016: $45.88K Players who get more than $100K: 0 | ||
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RoninKenshin
Canada97 Posts
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bduddy
United States1326 Posts
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Draconicfire
Canada2562 Posts
Also the discrepancy between StarCraft and League is quite interesting. | ||
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
On December 24 2015 14:58 RoninKenshin wrote: Wow, after all these years. Does anyone know if there's a minimum salary for the practice partners? I assume there's some massive wage disparity between stars and scrubs. $300 per month, at most. On December 24 2015 14:58 bduddy wrote: So only the top teams (no MVP or SBENU, let alone Prime or foreign teams), and not even all of them if there were only 25. Only counted A-teamers I guess. Great transparency, KeSPA... No. If it is 25, it includes everyone in those 5 teams. | ||
JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
There's some other info here and a link to the full report pdf. | ||
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bGr.MetHiX
Bulgaria511 Posts
ps : oops my bad, saw the following link and my numbers are off | ||
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bduddy
United States1326 Posts
On December 24 2015 15:00 Thouhastmail wrote: Huh? This isn't LoL. Player numbers according to Liquipedia:No. If it is 25, it includes everyone in those 5 teams. SKT: 8 Samsung: 11 JAGW: 6 CJ: 6 KT: 10 ...which makes 41. Get rid of the lowest-paid 40% and suddenly your numbers get a lot better... | ||
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BreAKerTV
Taiwan1658 Posts
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
On December 24 2015 15:05 bduddy wrote: Huh? This isn't LoL. Player numbers according to Liquipedia: SKT: 8 Samsung: 11 JAGW: 6 CJ: 6 KT: 10 ...which makes 41. Get rid of the lowest-paid 40% and suddenly your numbers get a lot better... It was sarcasm.. | ||
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TR
2320 Posts
On December 24 2015 15:05 BreAKerTV wrote: Faker easily gets 200k USD a month, if not from playing for SKT, definitely for streaming. Yeah I'm sure he makes a lot more than some average KeSPA players do, but where did you get that "$200k a month" from? Just curious. | ||
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J. Corsair
United States470 Posts
The sample size really hurts though... that number drops in half at least if they included ALL player's salaries. | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37024 Posts
On December 24 2015 14:54 Thouhastmail wrote: Edit: someone please add 't' before 'he'? You know you can edit your own messages right? Just look for the "Edit" button at the bottom of your posts. | ||
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partydude89
1850 Posts
On December 24 2015 15:19 J. Corsair wrote: I'm not sure how far that money goes in Korea, but that seems pretty damn nice for having all expenses paid and all the more because of how young a lot of these guys are. The sample size really hurts though... that number drops in half at least if they included ALL player's salaries. But they also get Housing, living, travel, and any prize money they win. So while the sample size may be off, the amount of value they're getting is as well. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
So this is something to both worry a bit about and, at the same time, to understand it's more complicated than the information everyone is currently presenting. | ||
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
On December 24 2015 15:21 Seeker wrote: You know you can edit your own messages right? Just look for the "Edit" button at the bottom of your posts. I know, but I cannot edit thread title. It was "Kesap revealed 'he' average..." | ||
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37024 Posts
On December 24 2015 15:24 Thouhastmail wrote: I know, but I cannot edit thread title. It was "Kesap revealed 'he' average..." Ahhhh, okay, gotcha. | ||
Liquid`Snute
Norway839 Posts
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negativedge
4279 Posts
On December 24 2015 15:17 TR wrote: Yeah I'm sure he makes a lot more than some average KeSPA players do, but where did you get that "$200k a month" from? Just curious. he got it from the same place most people get numbers from: their ass. | ||
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Wrath
3174 Posts
On December 24 2015 16:13 Liquid`Snute wrote: from a non-Korean perspective ~$3000+/month seems to be a crazy strong baseline sc2 salary, especially if it's on top of free housing etc o_o good for the 25 listed in the sample size. How much does TL pay you?  | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
Clearly Snute is fishing for a pay rise :p The top 25 will all be pro league regulars and pretty much the best of the best. The b teamers won't be on very much i imagine  | ||
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Circumstance
United States11403 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
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A_needle_jog
Korea (South)699 Posts
On December 24 2015 16:13 Liquid`Snute wrote: from a non-Korean perspective ~$3000+/month seems to be a crazy strong baseline sc2 salary, especially if it's on top of free housing etc o_o good for the 25 listed in the sample size. you should ask for a raise Snute. You are better than most Koreans  | ||
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TR
2320 Posts
On December 24 2015 16:14 negativedge wrote: he got it from the same place most people get numbers from: their ass. That's what I was thinking when I read that comment lol. | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
25% comes in a form of TL bias. Or does that only apply to writers? Oh wait, most of them don't get paid in pleb coin, so it must be in 100% bias | ||
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Wrath
3174 Posts
On December 24 2015 17:15 Noonius wrote: 25% comes in a form of TL bias. Or does that only apply to writers? Oh wait, most of them don't get paid in pleb coin, so it must be in 100% bias LOL | ||
Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
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aQuaSC
717 Posts
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AWalker9
United Kingdom7229 Posts
On December 24 2015 18:11 aQuaSC wrote: Now let's pump more money into Korea instead of scene with almost non-existent salaries /s Yeah cause all A-teamers in the non original KeSPA teams, B-teamers and new comers are retiring because of all the money they're making! | ||
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aQuaSC
717 Posts
On December 24 2015 18:15 AWalker9 wrote: Yeah cause all A-teamers in the non original KeSPA teams, B-teamers and new comers are retiring because of all the money they're making! I care about Koreans and their healthy scene is important, but how do these A-teamers going to IEMs taking top spots (they were coming abroad, not these famous B-teamers) are supposed to help lower level scene? Was it about making more room in a team house? "herO, you made that much money on IEMs, how about we switch your salary to some B-teamer in CJ?" I love herO, he's my favorite Korean beside sOs and Zest. And others  Maybe KeSPA itself should do something about it, not making it happen at the expense of foreigners who are without any real money support but themselves in most cases.They are making pretty good money with government behind their backs, and when Blizzard gives more money into scene without Koreans pretty well paid to play this game full-time it's considered "welfare", I thought "welfare" is something that you not fight for but just take every month for nothing, Korean salary to me seems to be more of a "welfare" (even though neither of these things is not and it's laughable and pathetic to consider any of them to be that) than foreign prize pool. Now let me count who can possibly be that well paid among non-Koreans... I'm just trying to make a point, not ridiculing anything but I just can't help to put it this way, not another. I believe that skill disparity between Koreans and foreigners would be lower if some foreigners were able to make that much money. That would not be the reason, but it would certainly help EDIT: of course, sample size is pretty small, but I think that even it if took B-teamers into consideration it still would be light-years away as a whole from support foreign scene has. | ||
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
On December 24 2015 15:05 BreAKerTV wrote: Faker easily gets 200k USD a month, if not from playing for SKT, definitely for streaming. Heh. Give me a good source for it and I'll get you a bottle of fine whiskey. If not, stop spreading misleading informations please. | ||
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
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Jealous
10154 Posts
On December 24 2015 18:36 -Kyo- wrote: All the people on the $300k over 3 year salaries died out Did this happen in SC2 as well as BW, or just BW? | ||
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ClanWars
United States330 Posts
Make no mistake. Lotta Korean players getting paid very little. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On December 24 2015 16:13 Liquid`Snute wrote: from a non-Korean perspective ~$3000+/month seems to be a crazy strong baseline sc2 salary, especially if it's on top of free housing etc o_o good for the 25 listed in the sample size. You really think $3000/month for someone who works every single day 12h+/day is good? According to my quick calculations it makes ~8€/hour, which is more than 1.5€/hour less than the minimum wage in France^^ edit : though I guess it's pretty good compared to many "real" athletes' salaries. | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On December 24 2015 18:59 OtherWorld wrote: You really think $3000/month for someone who works every single day 12h+/day is good? According to my quick calculations it makes ~8€/hour, which is more than 1.5€/hour less than the minimum wage in France^^ You can't really equate playing StarCraft and flying to and playing in tournaments to regular working hours. | ||
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aQuaSC
717 Posts
On December 24 2015 18:59 OtherWorld wrote: You really think $3000/month for someone who works every single day 12h+/day is good? According to my quick calculations it makes ~8€/hour, which is more than 1.5€/hour less than the minimum wage in France^^ You forgot to take free housing, food, coaches and free trips into your quick calculations, and you could support your 12h+ work day with some schedule (I believe that some play that much, but you can't compare sc2 to a regular work, or if you can, how exactly does it compare?). | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On December 24 2015 19:03 ZAiNs wrote: You can't really equate playing StarCraft and flying to and playing in tournaments to regular working hours. Yeah, on second thought I edited my post. After all, many sportsmen, even ones good enough to get Olympic medals, have salaries way below 3K$/month, and that's when they can afford not to have a job to survive On December 24 2015 19:04 aQuaSC wrote: You forgot to take free housing, food, coaches and free trips into your quick calculations, and you could support your 12h+ work day with some schedule (I believe that some play that much, but you can't compare sc2 to a regular work, or if you can, how exactly does it compare?). Yes, your points are true. For the schedule, my only source is DLO's interview with Solar (here : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/470686-solar-interview-at-msi-beat-it ), where Solar states : "Now I play like 40-50 games a day. That's around 12 hours." | ||
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aQuaSC
717 Posts
On December 24 2015 19:04 OtherWorld wrote: Yeah, on second thought I edited my post. After all, many sportsmen, even ones good enough to get Olympic medals, have salaries way below 3K$/month, and that's when they can afford not to have a job to survive Yes, your points are true. For the schedule, my only source is DLO's interview with Solar (here : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/470686-solar-interview-at-msi-beat-it ), where Solar states : "Now I play like 40-50 games a day. That's around 12 hours." I hope you didn't take my post as an attack on you or anything :s I believe that Blizzard is trying to emulate a little what was happening in Korea when BW was gaining popularity. Big prizes can draw attention and possible small infrastructure not focused on "making content" or "creating stories", but on playing the game. Good stories are created on their own. And I still hope that foreign scene can be competitive to Korean when it's developed from the bottom, not when it's about picking best local players and boosting them up in Korea like it happened in beginning of SC2 - there were tendencies to do that even with Lilbow for last Blizzcon, or at least it was mentioned, where they initially wanted to use Korean environment to let him practice for it. But in the end he didn't practice at all ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | ||
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Darkdwarf
Sweden960 Posts
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aQuaSC
717 Posts
On December 24 2015 19:23 Darkdwarf wrote: What's talked about in this thread is obviously the lower row of the table. What does the top row say? It's League of Legends players' average salary | ||
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bduddy
United States1326 Posts
On December 24 2015 19:04 aQuaSC wrote: See, this is exactly the "foreigner mindset". SC2 absolutely is their job 100%, regardless of how much they like playing it or not, and needs to be treated as such. Coaching and travel is part of that job, it's not some side benefit. Now, food and housing is a benefit, but SC2 teamhouses aren't exactly luxurious. Even in Seoul, somehow I doubt the going rate for a bunk bed is particularly high.You forgot to take free housing, food, coaches and free trips into your quick calculations, and you could support your 12h+ work day with some schedule (I believe that some play that much, but you can't compare sc2 to a regular work, or if you can, how exactly does it compare?). | ||
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aQuaSC
717 Posts
On December 24 2015 19:34 bduddy wrote: See, this is exactly the "foreigner mindset". SC2 absolutely is their job 100%, regardless of how much they like playing it or not, and needs to be treated as such. Coaching and travel is part of that job, it's not some side benefit. Now, food and housing is a benefit, but SC2 teamhouses aren't exactly luxurious. Even in Seoul, somehow I doubt the going rate for a bunk bed is particularly high. And for foreigners to be considered decent they have to treat it as their job 150%, compete with Koreans and beat them having nothing close to their competitive ladder and practice, if you compare Korean infrastructure and support they are having to what foreigners have then... well. There is a need for infrastructure - there was pretty okay infrastructure in one point in time I think and the skill disparity between two regions wasn't that huge - it's hard for me to believe that anyone can be as good as KeSPA Korean from the "luxury" of their own house. And having nothing like salary they receive. I would like to see average top foreigner salary, I'd love to be wrong about that and have my eyes opened, maybe foreigners don't deserve anything. But what do I know, I can only rely on logical (more or less) arguments | ||
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Dingodile
4133 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 24 2015 15:05 BreAKerTV wrote: Faker easily gets 200k USD a month, if not from playing for SKT, definitely for streaming. Would you like to show us any sources on that? | ||
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Welmu
Finland3295 Posts
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Tien Vu
184 Posts
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Pino
1032 Posts
On December 24 2015 20:10 Welmu wrote: Much higher avg salary than I'd have expected :o. MVP and Sbenu are propably very far from that I even wonder wether they are being paid, or just less than 10K/year | ||
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Poopi
France12885 Posts
As for the practice partners, they are definitively screwed salary wise :x. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On December 24 2015 20:27 Poopi wrote: It saddens me that SC2 players get paid way less than LoL players despite the game being much harder and even the "well paid" ones aren't given too much. As for the practice partners, they are definitively screwed salary wise :x. If you compare with sportsmen, that's a normal trend that team sports pay more than individual sports | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On December 24 2015 20:16 Tien Vu wrote: how about dota2? it's the game with the largest prize pools so its star players must be earning shit tons of money right? and does anyone know if the average professional career of a sc2 player is longer than that of a MOBA player? KeSPA isn't into Dota2. | ||
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Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
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RoomOfMush
1296 Posts
On December 24 2015 20:27 Poopi wrote: It saddens me that SC2 players get paid way less than LoL players despite the game being much harder and even the "well paid" ones aren't given too much. As for the practice partners, they are definitively screwed salary wise :x. Now compare the salaries of "real life" professional atheletes. Who do you think gets more money, people who play soccer or people who mountain climb? | ||
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Mina
109 Posts
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oGoZenob
France1503 Posts
On December 24 2015 21:43 Mina wrote: Do they get to keep 100% of their winnings? I imagine their teams want a cut. the millenium manager said that the let their players (sc2 and other games) keep everything. I have no idea for kespa tho | ||
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adymus
Romania140 Posts
So i think they are doing just fine , rly hope for 2016 the sc2 team to get good rezults too :D Kespa and other teams thath offer house living i think they keep some money , so they can send you and etc. And by the way guys dont forget thath they have gym , fun games , eating outside as a team so they dont just practice , sleep repeat all day :d PS: Sorry about my english , if i have big mistakes big sorry <3 love from Romania and Happy Holiday!!! | ||
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goody153
44125 Posts
On December 24 2015 20:16 Tien Vu wrote: how about dota2? it's the game with the largest prize pools so its star players must be earning shit tons of money right? and does anyone know if the average professional career of a sc2 player is longer than that of a MOBA player? Koreans are pretty bad at dota. I mean really really bad. They do have some flukes sometimes but they get destroyed by random top SEA teams alot who couldn't even normally beat a single game out of the best CN,EU,NA(ofc those top SEA teams upset top teams from time to time too but it's kinda rare) Though they still earned ton by placing middle of the last The International ( $829,333 that's alot but remember that the first placer got $6,634,661). | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On December 24 2015 20:27 Poopi wrote: It saddens me that SC2 players get paid way less than LoL players despite the game being much harder and even the "well paid" ones aren't given too much. As for the practice partners, they are definitively screwed salary wise :x. pro gamers don't get paid because they're talented at video games, they get paid because they entertain people. bigger audience = more entertainment = more money it's not like being good at a video game or a difficult video game means you deserve money... it's based on whether people enjoy watching you do what you do | ||
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aQuaSC
717 Posts
On December 25 2015 00:12 showstealer1829 wrote: This is a cherry picked list as has been pointed out and means basically nothing, the only question I have is did KeSPA do this to make things not seem as bad to justify the top heavy prize pools...or were they forced into it by someone else? Maybe this link will be helpful: http://krbnu.tumblr.com/post/135814946168/kespa-responds-to-kocca-pro-gamer-salary-data-10 | ||
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Ignorant prodigy
United States385 Posts
Having said that, some of these kids mortgage their future to play a computer game full time. At least with pro sports in AM the kids get a scholarship and free education out of it. Then if they can't make it they have a degree to fall back on. | ||
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ZinSinger
United Kingdom14 Posts
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
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FireCake
151 Posts
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aQuaSC
717 Posts
On December 25 2015 00:33 FireCake wrote: It's hard to feel bad for Korean players about the new WCS when you see that they have a salary 5 to 10 times better than all the European players. They were given too much opportunities abroad that were in hopes of drawing higher attention of community, but in the end it backfired - both viewer-wise and player-wise, taking away incentives of players without professional support and therefore non-Korean initial big support for the game - and now they feel hurt. It's understandable, but these "opportunities" should be avoided in the first place. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44334 Posts
On December 24 2015 15:05 BreAKerTV wrote: Faker easily gets 200k USD a month, if not from playing for SKT, definitely for streaming. Who? | ||
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Deathstar
9150 Posts
On December 25 2015 00:33 FireCake wrote: It's hard to feel bad for Korean players about the new WCS when you see that they have a salary 5 to 10 times better than all the European players. Sample size: 25 And yeah, some people make about 40k USD and so ban koreans, and only koreans, from international tournaments. | ||
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aQuaSC
717 Posts
http://lol.gamepedia.com/Faker | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44334 Posts
Oh, I thought we were talking about SC2 because of where this thread was. I assume Breaker is being sarcastic? Making over 2 million dollars each year just from streaming is impossible, right? Edit: I just Googled some Twitch salaries and stats and yeah it's sarcasm lol. | ||
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aQuaSC
717 Posts
On December 25 2015 00:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Oh, I thought we were talking about SC2 because of where this thread was. I assume Breaker is being sarcastic? Making over 2 million dollars each year just from streaming is impossible, right? Edit: I just Googled some Twitch salaries and stats and yeah it's sarcasm lol. Hard to say honestly, he definitely didn't say anything about 2 million but 200 thousand, and Faker doesn't stream on Twitch but on Azubu. No idea what the differences are unfortunately | ||
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Poopi
France12885 Posts
On December 25 2015 00:55 aQuaSC wrote: Hard to say honestly, he definitely didn't say anything about 2 million but 200 thousand, and Faker doesn't stream on Twitch but on Azubu. No idea what the differences are unfortunately 200 thousand/month makes for 2.4k*k a year so it's more than 2 millions. | ||
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aQuaSC
717 Posts
On December 25 2015 01:00 Poopi wrote: 200 thousand/month makes for 2.4k*k a year so it's more than 2 millions. Ah sorry, re-read that now, you're right, it can't be true :s | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44334 Posts
On December 25 2015 01:04 aQuaSC wrote: Ah sorry, re-read that now, you're right, it can't be true :s fwiw I think $100-200K total over a full year of streaming might be possible if he's really really popular, since LoL is a big scene, but I know nothing about LoL in general. But this OP is about SC2 I presume (not to mention salaries and not made up guesses about streaming from other games...), so I'm not sure if Breaker's comment is relevant at all. | ||
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aQuaSC
717 Posts
On December 25 2015 01:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: fwiw I think $100-200K total over a full year of streaming might be possible if he's really really popular, since LoL is a big scene, but I know nothing about LoL in general. But this OP is about SC2 I presume (not to mention salaries and not made up guesses about streaming from other games...), so I'm not sure if Breaker's comment is relevant at all. I agree the scenario you mention is possible, but anyway, the salary KeSPA pros receive is a base salary and stream income is a bonus over that sum, so I'd stop discussing streaming whatsoever. Nowadays some foreigner pros have to rely on streaming to sustain themselves, which in my opinion can hurt their commitment to practice. I'd like to see foreign player-base average salary Can be top 5 players, not 25. | ||
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Silvana
3713 Posts
On December 25 2015 01:14 aQuaSC wrote: I agree the scenario you mention is possible, but anyway, the salary KeSPA pros receive is a base salary and stream income is a bonus over that sum, so I'd stop discussing streaming whatsoever. Nowadays some foreigner pros have to rely on streaming to sustain themselves, which in my opinion can hurt their commitment to practice. I'd like to see foreign player-base average salary Can be top 5 players, not 25.Streaming, prize pools and incentives don't add much: "Additionally, when taking into consideration the amount of income from the players’ respective streaming activities, performance bonuses, and prize money which have already been provided by the association to the players for 2015, the average salary for KeSPA registered corporation founded professional eSports players is estimated to be $68,189 for League of Legends and over $42,604 for StarCraft II players." someone translated it here | ||
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TheSayo182
Italy243 Posts
This data comes from 40 players from the 8 KeSPA-registered corporation founded professional teams that have finalized their official contracts as of right now, December 2015 (KT, Samsung, SKT, CJ, Jin Air, NaJin, Longzhu, Tigers) and 25 players from 5 StarCraft II teams (KT, Samsung, SKT, CJ, Jin Air) at the moment we have only 5 teams for proleague, i don't think this is a good signal | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
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TelecoM
United States10673 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
After a quick google search it seems like average salaries in Korea is around 22 000 of course programmer work more hours then the usual person but it seems to be a pretty good job. Someone know the cost of life in Korea? | ||
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Deathstar
9150 Posts
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Team_House | ||
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Jealous
10154 Posts
On December 25 2015 02:49 GGzerG wrote: Interesting...time to become KeSPA Pro!! Is there a bot-hosting position available? | ||
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esReveR
United States567 Posts
On December 25 2015 03:33 Nakajin wrote: This is better then I tough honestly, of course the fact that they left out a lot of the player probably alter the result, since I guess Kespa cut at the bottom and not at the top, but still if you leave in a team house it is not that bad. After a quick google search it seems like average salaries in Korea is around 22 000 of course programmer work more hours then the usual person but it seems to be a pretty good job. Someone know the cost of life in Korea? When I was living there in 2010, the cost of living wasn't very high. When you see that Korean pro gamers make more than the average annual income in South Korea, and factor in they don't have to pay for rent... they make a lot of money. | ||
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Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
On December 25 2015 00:03 goody153 wrote: Koreans are pretty bad at dota. I mean really really bad. They do have some flukes sometimes but they get destroyed by random top SEA teams alot who couldn't even normally beat a single game out of the best CN,EU,NA(ofc those top SEA teams upset top teams from time to time too but it's kinda rare) Though they still earned ton by placing middle of the last The International ( $829,333 that's alot but remember that the first placer got $6,634,661). This hasn't been true since early 2014, Korean Dota is easily the best in SEA and had 2 teams in The International this year despite having like 25 people in the country who play it. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44334 Posts
On December 25 2015 03:45 Deathstar wrote: All of the team houses are in Seoul, so cost of living should be similar to NYC. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Team_House Apparently NYC is much more expensive than Seoul: http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=South Korea&city1=Seoul&country2=United States&city2=New York, NY | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On December 25 2015 04:01 Heyoka wrote: This hasn't been true since early 2014, Korean Dota is easily the best in SEA and had 2 teams in The International this year despite having like 25 people in the country who play it. The Korean infrastructure shone through this year. But props to MVP for putting together the only possible teams in the entire scene. Though the hilarious part about being a SC2 & Dota2 fan is that Alex Garfield has managed to put collect 2 TI winning teams. The guy knows how to run Western Pro-teams. | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2719 Posts
On December 25 2015 03:45 Deathstar wrote: All of the team houses are in Seoul, so cost of living should be similar to NYC. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Team_House I thought room and board is covered on top of the salaries? | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2719 Posts
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Chaggi
Korea (South)1936 Posts
On December 25 2015 09:09 argonautdice wrote: anyone know how much taxes the progamers pay based on their situation? I was paying about 15-17% I believe and I declared about 50K | ||
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
On December 25 2015 03:45 Deathstar wrote: All of the team houses are in Seoul, so cost of living should be similar to NYC. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Team_House I think it's wrong. 3 of them are located in suburb. For instance, JAGW and CJ's teamhouse is in Ilsan-gu, Goyang. | ||
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Chaggi
Korea (South)1936 Posts
On December 25 2015 03:45 Deathstar wrote: All of the team houses are in Seoul, so cost of living should be similar to NYC. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Team_House Not all of Seoul has the same type of rent. For example, I lived a year in Gangnam and my rent was around 2,000$ month, and then I moved to near Sinchon (near where the TechnoMart is) and my rent went down to about 500$ / month. This was always living by myself. I was looking for apartments in NYC and unless you want to go very far out, you're still looking at least $1,000 / month edit: My $500/month apt was down the road from IM's house -> | ||
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
There was a time when S players got over 200K, while even B+ class players got $4-50K excluding prizes. Ahhhhhh, good days are gone. | ||
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goody153
44125 Posts
On December 25 2015 04:01 Heyoka wrote: This hasn't been true since early 2014, Korean Dota is easily the best in SEA and had 2 teams in The International this year despite having like 25 people in the country who play it. Yeah i'm not sure about them being the best. They've always been destroyed by rave before(though if i think about it rave can be considered as part of the korean scene so i guess that's true for at least 2014) they are not the best on SEA for a while now .. Mineski and Fnatic is the best atm On December 25 2015 04:34 Taf the Ghost wrote: The Korean infrastructure shone through this year. But props to MVP for putting together the only possible teams in the entire scene. Though the hilarious part about being a SC2 & Dota2 fan is that Alex Garfield has managed to put collect 2 TI winning teams. The guy knows how to run Western Pro-teams. Those TI winners aren't handpicked by alex garfield. Those two rosters already formed a long time before they got picked up by alex garfield. Everything that happens inside the team from who stays on the team and who leaves are decided by the team members. The org involvement just makes stuff like travelling, taking care of the players food, plans/schedule sponsorships etc but gameplay and team chemistry are all on the team. | ||
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shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
I got less with a Master degree, kespa is pretty good then. | ||
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corydoras
161 Posts
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On December 24 2015 15:17 TR wrote: Yeah I'm sure he makes a lot more than some average KeSPA players do, but where did you get that "$200k a month" from? Just curious. When you have 50k people watching and you're getting .50c an add or even less than that, after like 5-10 adds it adds up real fast, hell even .01c an add up gets up there pretty fast | ||
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Zooper31
United States5710 Posts
On December 25 2015 17:39 Thouhastmail wrote: BTW it makes me feel strange, because I remember the glory days when NaDa got $250K per year. There was a time when S players got over 200K, while even B+ class players got $4-50K excluding prizes. Ahhhhhh, good days are gone. Right? I feel these numbers are super low compared to BW... What happened to the good ole days lol. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6209 Posts
On December 26 2015 04:59 Zooper31 wrote: Right? I feel these numbers are super low compared to BW... What happened to the good ole days lol. Match fixing and people moving onto LoL I guess =/. | ||
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lastride
2390 Posts
On December 25 2015 17:39 Thouhastmail wrote: BTW it makes me feel strange, because I remember the glory days when NaDa got $250K per year. There was a time when S players got over 200K, while even B+ class players got $4-50K excluding prizes. Ahhhhhh, good days are gone. So true, I remember the KT players Reach NalRa Yellow having huge contracts during the years 04-06 Imagine how much Boxer was earning that time | ||
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xenonn40
United States282 Posts
On December 24 2015 20:40 OtherWorld wrote: If you compare with sportsmen, that's a normal trend that team sports pay more than individual sports Not exactly, some of the top earning sportsmen are golfers and race car drivers. I am bad with my phone and can't link evidence at the moment. | ||
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Thrillz
4313 Posts
Basically it's not a great way to make a living unless you are a top dog. | ||
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Deadly Elenchus
United States21 Posts
However, I am glad that at least a few people are doing pretty well (career level salary well) for themselves in SC 2 esports in Kespa. I very much hope we are talking about the median, as that seems much more sustainable. SC2 tournaments are so top heavy already, if other money coming in is arranged similarly then it seems like we will have less of an incentive for people to become progamers. | ||
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