EPTYoDa, B4, Gerrard arrested for match-fixing - Page 50
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Based on the official Police investigation, only the above players have been implicated in matchfixing. There is no reason to further accuse other players and teams until we get more information. Incessant blind accusations will not be tolerated. Please read the thread and the updates before posting. As of page 54 we will be moderating against match fixing accusations for players who were not caught in this incident, including those using voided Pinnacle bets as evidence. | ||
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TLgowno
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Hider
Denmark9447 Posts
On October 19 2015 18:31 opisska wrote: So the whole Pinnacle nonsense is useless in discovering the real problem? hahahaha They just don't have evidence for those types (yet). On October 19 2015 18:40 rednusa wrote: I watched a few of YoDa's VODs posted in the OP. None of them looks particularly suspicious. Yes this was the same dumb argument people used to defend against the original accusations (until MKP incident). Don't you understand how insanely easy it is to lose a game of Starcraft? If you are not on your A-game you are not gonna win a game in PL. In order to lose you just need to have slightly suboptimal micro, slightly suptimal builds, slightly suptimal macro and timings. The MKP incidence was the extreme rare occurance where you can actually clearly see how MKP lost it intentional, but that was due to an extreme "unluck" of MKP unintentionally spotting the creep on the minimap. | ||
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SystemXN
China105 Posts
Gerrard never paid salaries to his players, he even prohibited players to use air-conditioner in team house during this summer (maybe to save money). Gerrard didn't care about Prime's SC2 team but paid his full attention on his LoL team. More ironically, even his LoL team cannot have five enough good computers to practice LoL, so Gerrard took iG (invictus Gaming, the Chinese pro team)'s two computers for practicing and never returned them. What's more, Gerrard took ByuN's top-class personal computer (which values about $1,200) to team house, not only never returned it, but sold it for money. It is sad to see both Gerrard and Prime as SC2 veteran come to such an shameful end. | ||
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Elentos
55586 Posts
On October 19 2015 18:44 Hider wrote: They just don't have evidence for those types (yet). Yes this was the same dumb argument people used to defend against the original accusations (until MKP incident). Don't you understand how insanely easy it is to lose a game of Starcraft? If you are not on your A-game you are not gonna win a game in PL. In order to lose you just need to have slightly suboptimal micro, slightly suptimal builds, slightly suptimal macro and timings. The MKP incidence was the extreme rare occurance where you can actually clearly see how MKP lost it intentional, but that was due to an extreme "unluck" of MKP unintentionally spotting the creep on the minimap. The difference is that MKP was cleared from the accusation for what looks like an obvious throw by KeSPA because nothing was found behind it, while YoDa made more subtle mistakes but wasn't cleared because everything behind it was uncovered. | ||
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Jarree
Finland1004 Posts
On October 19 2015 18:31 opisska wrote: So the whole Pinnacle nonsense is useless in discovering the real problem? hahahaha I think you got it backwards mate... They just got a tip about other matchfixing games, which they were able to prove from money transfers. Those Pinnacle games weren't nonsense, they were fixed as well. | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On October 19 2015 18:31 opisska wrote: So the whole Pinnacle nonsense is useless in discovering the real problem? hahahaha It's like if a guy fired a gun at his house by accident only to be investigated by the cops but then the cops smell some weird smoke from his neighbor and they discover a crackhouse there instead. | ||
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KrazyTrumpet
United States2520 Posts
On October 19 2015 18:53 Elentos wrote: The difference is that MKP was cleared from the accusation for what looks like an obvious throw by KeSPA because nothing was found behind it, while YoDa made more subtle mistakes but wasn't cleared because everything behind it was uncovered. Yeah, apparently he didn't match fix and is just really that dumb of a player. I KNEW IT. | ||
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Darrkhan
Finland1236 Posts
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_TMT_
Vietnam114 Posts
On October 19 2015 18:51 SystemXN wrote: Leifeng (the sponsor of Chinese tournament Leifeng Cup who has contact with Korean scene) revealed some facts about Prime on Chinese forum (original post in Chinese) Gerrard never paid salaries to his players, he even prohibited players to use air-conditioner in team house during this summer (maybe to save money). Gerrard didn't care about Prime's SC2 team but paid his full attention on his LoL team. More ironically, even his LoL team cannot have five enough good computers to practice LoL, so Gerrard took iG (invictus Gaming, the Chinese pro team)'s two computers for practicing and never returned them. What's more, Gerrard took ByuN's top-class personal computer (which values about $1,200) to team house, not only never returned it, but sold it for money. It is sad to see both Gerrard and Prime as SC2 veteran come to such an shameful end. That is shameful at many levels... | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
Sure YoDa was overly passive, retreated when he could have pushed forward, and had some shoddy micro at some points, but for me all of this is so YoDa it doesn't really surprise me  . It's probably a game he should have won though, sure. | ||
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xenonn40
United States282 Posts
On October 19 2015 19:02 Darrkhan wrote: Wow....Remember when YoDa used to be huge upcomer hyped by Mvp and Nestea to be best player in world? Yep. YoDa and Seed were supposed to be the future superstars. | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On October 19 2015 19:02 ZenithM wrote: I just watched the first game in the spoilered section in the OP (HerO vs YoDa). I would never have guessed in a million years that game is fixed... I hope we won't start to suspect every game that looks like this, because there are a LOT of them. Sure YoDa was overly passive, retreated when he could have pushed forward, and had some shoddy micro at some points, but for me all of this is so YoDa it doesn't really surprise me . It's probably a game he should have won though, sure.Fix doesn't necessarily mean the outcome. They could also be over/under time for games (for example, game ends before or after 15 mins). That's why the game clock was removed. If the fix was for over 15mins, for example, YoDa could have tried to stretch the game out indefinitely and then try to win at the end (which he didn't do). | ||
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KrazyTrumpet
United States2520 Posts
On October 19 2015 18:53 Elentos wrote: The difference is that MKP was cleared from the accusation for what looks like an obvious throw by KeSPA because nothing was found behind it, while YoDa made more subtle mistakes but wasn't cleared because everything behind it was uncovered. Yeah, apparently he didn't match fix and is just really that dumb of a player. I KNEW IT. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23579 Posts
Edit: On the other hand this is the case in any big sport, so it might just be a sign of growth | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On October 19 2015 19:05 lichter wrote: Fix doesn't necessarily mean the outcome. They could also be over/under time for games (for example, game ends before or after 15 mins). That's why the game clock was removed. If the fix was for over 15mins, for example, YoDa could have tried to stretch the game out indefinitely and then try to win at the end (which he didn't do). I thought about the under/over 15 min thing, yes. I still wonder about that "fixing goal" though. Both over and under 15 minutes seem really easy to do to me without even impacting your chances of victory that much .I guess people really need something to bet on. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9447 Posts
On October 19 2015 18:53 Elentos wrote: The difference is that MKP was cleared from the accusation for what looks like an obvious throw by KeSPA because nothing was found behind it, while YoDa made more subtle mistakes but wasn't cleared because everything behind it was uncovered. He wasn't cleared from anything. They just didn't find the evidence. Being cleared in my opinion, means assessing the evidence and coming to the conclusion that X wasn't guilty. | ||
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On October 19 2015 19:11 ZenithM wrote: I thought about the under/over 15 min thing, yes. I still wonder about that "fixing goal" though. Both over and under 15 minutes seem really easy to do to me without even impacting your chances of victory that much .I guess people really need something to bet on. in traditional sports it's usually over/under a certain score. for example, over 2.5 combined goals in a game of football. since there's no score in sc2 and the only available objective measure was time, they went with that. | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On October 19 2015 19:19 Hider wrote: He wasn't cleared from anything. They just didn't find the evidence, which is exactly what I wrote. You should reread Kespa's actual statement. Convicted until clear. What a noble sense of justice from our lovely TL warrior. | ||
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Brutaxilos
United States2633 Posts
On October 19 2015 19:02 ZenithM wrote: I just watched the first game in the spoilered section in the OP (HerO vs YoDa). I would never have guessed in a million years that game is fixed... I hope we won't start to suspect every game that looks like this, because there are a LOT of them. Sure YoDa was overly passive, retreated when he could have pushed forward, and had some shoddy micro at some points, but for me all of this is so YoDa it doesn't really surprise me . It's probably a game he should have won though, sure.See after watching it with some context, I can actually see how a player could TRY to lose from that position without seeming too obvious. I feel like he did a pretty good job of making it look like sloppy play, but he definitely had a pretty solid lead. | ||
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