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On October 19 2015 18:11 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 17:52 Musicus wrote:On October 19 2015 17:48 Zealously wrote:On October 19 2015 16:19 boxerfred wrote:
Not worth a new thread I guess so here it is:
Can someone prevent a Lorning suicide please? I have to say I can't really be as angry at YoDa as I'd like to be. Caught on a shitty team during a career downturn with retirement imminent, no interest from sponsors or other teams, no salary paid out - I can see why he felt pressured into accepting betting money  I don't understand this. How does his shitty situation make it less infuriating? Of course nobody who is on a good team and makes enough money will ever risk doing something like this. People who do this will always be in a shitty situation. They still have to suck it up and stop the progaming dream and work at a mcdonals or anything to make a living, instead of fucking matchfixing which could potentially destroy the scene that has given them everything. People do bad things. That doesn't make them bad people. (Gerrard sounds like a piece of work, though, but I'm sure that even he, from his perspective, was the good guy trying to do the right thing.)
Of course not. But I don't only get angry at bad people. And not all criminals are bad people. What's right by the law isn't always good, what's wrong by the law isn't always bad. But with the history of starcraft matchfixing in Korea and their involvement in the scene, this was the one crime that makes me extremely angry at them. They could've robbed a bank (without hurting anybody), I wouldn't care.
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It is sad to see something like this happens over and over again although savior should have been a lesson for everyone.
Especially with StarCraft having a hard time atm, players retire, teams disband, SC2 losing so much attention and this feels like giving StarCraft the ultimate kill. I know many people are still watching SC2, me included ofc, but seriously who still wants to hire players, and esp. if things like these happen over and over again in the StarCraft scene.
Unfortunately these guys will never receive such a hard punishment like savior got.......
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Wow.
I don't see MarineKing's name. I hope I won't have to see it soon. Better not see him play again than reading his name in a match-fixing scandal article.
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On October 19 2015 18:11 Lorning wrote:
yeah it's over
Now it's official.
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Mute City2363 Posts
On October 19 2015 18:11 Lorning wrote:
yeah it's over
*hugs Lorning
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On October 19 2015 17:29 Musicus wrote:
Well it took a looooooong while, but finally it's being dealt with. Good riddance Gerrard, YoDa and B4.
We knew this was going on but just stopped asking due to request of cummunity figures that said evidence was being gathered in the background. I'm thankful this was not a lie and something was being done indeed. Thanks again Olvia, TB, Pinaccle and others for speaking out and helping to put a stop to this.
Were any of these particular games flagged up by Pinnacle?
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On October 19 2015 18:22 thecrazymunchkin wrote:*hugs Lorning
I doubt even his best bud Spunxtain could cheer Lorning up now
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I wonder if this has implications on the "legit" players' ability to find new teams. Creator was on Prime for so long, surely he knew, right? Then do I want him on my team?
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Look who is red faced now.
RIP B4
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On October 19 2015 18:24 rednusa wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 17:29 Musicus wrote:
Well it took a looooooong while, but finally it's being dealt with. Good riddance Gerrard, YoDa and B4.
We knew this was going on but just stopped asking due to request of cummunity figures that said evidence was being gathered in the background. I'm thankful this was not a lie and something was being done indeed. Thanks again Olvia, TB, Pinaccle and others for speaking out and helping to put a stop to this. Were any of these particular games flagged up by Pinnacle?
Good question, not sure. I think the Pinnacle games were mostly Proleague games right? I will have to go back and check.
It could also be link to this?
I think there is so much stuff, that has yet to come out.
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On October 19 2015 18:20 Furaha wrote:
It is sad to see something like this happens over and over again although savior should have been a lesson for everyone.
Especially with StarCraft having a hard time atm, players retire, teams disband, SC2 losing so much attention and this feels like giving StarCraft the ultimate kill. I know many people are still watching SC2, me included ofc, but seriously who still wants to hire players, and esp. if things like these happen over and over again in the StarCraft scene.
Unfortunately these guys will never receive such a hard punishment like savior got.......
What did he get?
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On October 19 2015 18:28 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 18:24 rednusa wrote:On October 19 2015 17:29 Musicus wrote:
Well it took a looooooong while, but finally it's being dealt with. Good riddance Gerrard, YoDa and B4.
We knew this was going on but just stopped asking due to request of cummunity figures that said evidence was being gathered in the background. I'm thankful this was not a lie and something was being done indeed. Thanks again Olvia, TB, Pinaccle and others for speaking out and helping to put a stop to this. Were any of these particular games flagged up by Pinnacle? Good question, not sure. I think the Pinnacle games were mostly Proleague games right? I will have to go back and check. It could also be link to this? https://twitter.com/SaintSnorlax/status/656036919495794688I think there is so much stuff, that has yet to come out.
I don't think any of these were among the Pinnacle games.
On October 19 2015 18:30 Za7oX wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 18:20 Furaha wrote:
It is sad to see something like this happens over and over again although savior should have been a lesson for everyone.
Especially with StarCraft having a hard time atm, players retire, teams disband, SC2 losing so much attention and this feels like giving StarCraft the ultimate kill. I know many people are still watching SC2, me included ofc, but seriously who still wants to hire players, and esp. if things like these happen over and over again in the StarCraft scene.
Unfortunately these guys will never receive such a hard punishment like savior got.......
What did he get?
Permanent ban from KeSPA competition, 120 hours of community service, 2 year probation and he was stripped of all his Korean titles (3 MSLs and 1 OSL vacated I believe).
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So the whole Pinnacle nonsense is useless in discovering the real problem? hahahaha
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On October 19 2015 18:30 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 18:28 Musicus wrote:On October 19 2015 18:24 rednusa wrote:On October 19 2015 17:29 Musicus wrote:
Well it took a looooooong while, but finally it's being dealt with. Good riddance Gerrard, YoDa and B4.
We knew this was going on but just stopped asking due to request of cummunity figures that said evidence was being gathered in the background. I'm thankful this was not a lie and something was being done indeed. Thanks again Olvia, TB, Pinaccle and others for speaking out and helping to put a stop to this. Were any of these particular games flagged up by Pinnacle? Good question, not sure. I think the Pinnacle games were mostly Proleague games right? I will have to go back and check. It could also be link to this? https://twitter.com/SaintSnorlax/status/656036919495794688I think there is so much stuff, that has yet to come out. I don't think any of these were among the Pinnacle games. Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 18:30 Za7oX wrote:On October 19 2015 18:20 Furaha wrote:
It is sad to see something like this happens over and over again although savior should have been a lesson for everyone.
Especially with StarCraft having a hard time atm, players retire, teams disband, SC2 losing so much attention and this feels like giving StarCraft the ultimate kill. I know many people are still watching SC2, me included ofc, but seriously who still wants to hire players, and esp. if things like these happen over and over again in the StarCraft scene.
Unfortunately these guys will never receive such a hard punishment like savior got.......
What did he get? Permanent ban from KeSPA competition, 120 hours of community service, 2 year probation and he was stripped of all his Korean titles (3 MSLs and 1 OSL vacated I believe).
But this time, KeSPA has no hands over the SSL and GSL...
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Czech Republic12131 Posts
On October 19 2015 18:30 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 18:28 Musicus wrote:On October 19 2015 18:24 rednusa wrote:On October 19 2015 17:29 Musicus wrote:
Well it took a looooooong while, but finally it's being dealt with. Good riddance Gerrard, YoDa and B4.
We knew this was going on but just stopped asking due to request of cummunity figures that said evidence was being gathered in the background. I'm thankful this was not a lie and something was being done indeed. Thanks again Olvia, TB, Pinaccle and others for speaking out and helping to put a stop to this. Were any of these particular games flagged up by Pinnacle? Good question, not sure. I think the Pinnacle games were mostly Proleague games right? I will have to go back and check. It could also be link to this? https://twitter.com/SaintSnorlax/status/656036919495794688I think there is so much stuff, that has yet to come out. I don't think any of these were among the Pinnacle games. Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 18:30 Za7oX wrote:On October 19 2015 18:20 Furaha wrote:
It is sad to see something like this happens over and over again although savior should have been a lesson for everyone.
Especially with StarCraft having a hard time atm, players retire, teams disband, SC2 losing so much attention and this feels like giving StarCraft the ultimate kill. I know many people are still watching SC2, me included ofc, but seriously who still wants to hire players, and esp. if things like these happen over and over again in the StarCraft scene.
Unfortunately these guys will never receive such a hard punishment like savior got.......
What did he get? Permanent ban from KeSPA competition, 120 hours of community service, 2 year probation and he was stripped of all his Korean titles (3 MSLs and 1 OSL vacated I believe).
Ehm, that's punishment from KeSPA or from a court? Because I cannot believe some association can force you into probation and community service when it bans you for life 
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On October 19 2015 18:36 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 18:30 Elentos wrote:On October 19 2015 18:28 Musicus wrote:On October 19 2015 18:24 rednusa wrote:On October 19 2015 17:29 Musicus wrote:
Well it took a looooooong while, but finally it's being dealt with. Good riddance Gerrard, YoDa and B4.
We knew this was going on but just stopped asking due to request of cummunity figures that said evidence was being gathered in the background. I'm thankful this was not a lie and something was being done indeed. Thanks again Olvia, TB, Pinaccle and others for speaking out and helping to put a stop to this. Were any of these particular games flagged up by Pinnacle? Good question, not sure. I think the Pinnacle games were mostly Proleague games right? I will have to go back and check. It could also be link to this? https://twitter.com/SaintSnorlax/status/656036919495794688I think there is so much stuff, that has yet to come out. I don't think any of these were among the Pinnacle games. On October 19 2015 18:30 Za7oX wrote:On October 19 2015 18:20 Furaha wrote:
It is sad to see something like this happens over and over again although savior should have been a lesson for everyone.
Especially with StarCraft having a hard time atm, players retire, teams disband, SC2 losing so much attention and this feels like giving StarCraft the ultimate kill. I know many people are still watching SC2, me included ofc, but seriously who still wants to hire players, and esp. if things like these happen over and over again in the StarCraft scene.
Unfortunately these guys will never receive such a hard punishment like savior got.......
What did he get? Permanent ban from KeSPA competition, 120 hours of community service, 2 year probation and he was stripped of all his Korean titles (3 MSLs and 1 OSL vacated I believe). Ehm, that's punishment from KeSPA or from a court? Because I cannot believe some association can force you into probation and community service when it bans you for life
Well, I just included everything he got. Plus it ruined his reputation and legend.
Anyway, still wondering if any KeSPA team actually wants a "legit" Prime player (KeeN or Creator) if they were in the know.
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I watched a few of YoDa's VODs posted in the OP. None of them looks particularly suspicious.
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So how much of Code S is actually believable?
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EPT
