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On October 19 2015 17:08 Mozdk wrote:
Wow!
Most surprising is the tiny tiny amounts of money it took to fix these matches.
I've never said it before, but I am jumping aboard the dead game train. I don't really believe SC2 will survive for more than a few years max.
You're more than welcome to jump on any train you like, as far as I'm concerned, but I don't understand what this has to do with dead game. Very few people give a shit about Yoda, and nobody gives a shit about Prime. If anything, Proleague viewership might actually spike because Prime is going to be replaced by a quality team.
So far as I can make out, this is pretty close to an ideal outcome for SC2 - a harsh sentence for some easily ostracized, marginally relevant figures to keep everyone in line in the future.
Everything played into KeSPA's hands, almost as if they planned it this way from the start. #TinfoilHat
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On October 19 2015 17:08 Mozdk wrote:
Wow!
Most surprising is the tiny tiny amounts of money it took to fix these matches.
I've never said it before, but I am jumping aboard the dead game train. I don't really believe SC2 will survive for more than a few years max.
I just cant believe they (the betters) made so little money off the bets, when paying this much to the players.
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Well it took a looooooong while, but finally it's being dealt with. Good riddance Gerrard, YoDa and B4.
We knew this was going on but just stopped asking due to request of cummunity figures that said evidence was being gathered in the background. I'm thankful this was not a lie and something was being done indeed. Thanks again Olvia, TB, Pinaccle and others for speaking out and helping to put a stop to this.
It's sad new but I have this opinion.
To anybody saying we were just hurting the scene by talking about this and asking questions... well what about now?
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On October 19 2015 17:29 Musicus wrote:
We knew this was going on but just stopped asking due to request of cummunity figures that said evidence was being gathered in the background. I'm thankful this was not a lie and something was being done indeed.
why would i lie you jerk
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On October 19 2015 17:27 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 17:08 Mozdk wrote:
Wow!
Most surprising is the tiny tiny amounts of money it took to fix these matches.
I've never said it before, but I am jumping aboard the dead game train. I don't really believe SC2 will survive for more than a few years max. You're more than welcome to jump on any train you like, as far as I'm concerned, but I don't understand what this has to do with dead game. Very few people give a shit about Yoda, and nobody gives a shit about Prime. If anything, Proleague viewership might actually spike because Prime is going to be replaced by a quality team. So far as I can make out, this is pretty close to an ideal outcome for SC2 - a harsh sentence for some easily ostracized, marginally relevant figures to keep everyone in line in the future. Everything played into KeSPA's hands, almost as if they planned it this way from the start. #TinfoilHat
No really, this is terrible for the public image of the league,it also confirms that the matchfix is real and there are more players taking part.the good is that there is a new product (lotv) and it will helps a bit.
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Whoever didn't see such a thing coming is either naive or intentionally blind. So many people already told us the matchfixing was a "known secret" in Korea months and months ago.
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On October 19 2015 17:27 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 17:08 Mozdk wrote:
Wow!
Most surprising is the tiny tiny amounts of money it took to fix these matches.
I've never said it before, but I am jumping aboard the dead game train. I don't really believe SC2 will survive for more than a few years max. You're more than welcome to jump on any train you like, as far as I'm concerned, but I don't understand what this has to do with dead game. Very few people give a shit about Yoda, and nobody gives a shit about Prime. If anything, Proleague viewership might actually spike because Prime is going to be replaced by a quality team.
Probably because last time this happened, it literally sucked the life out of the Brood War scene.
This one doesn't seem as bad as before, but still it's hard not to be apprehensive about the future.
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On October 19 2015 17:31 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 17:27 pure.Wasted wrote:On October 19 2015 17:08 Mozdk wrote:
Wow!
Most surprising is the tiny tiny amounts of money it took to fix these matches.
I've never said it before, but I am jumping aboard the dead game train. I don't really believe SC2 will survive for more than a few years max. You're more than welcome to jump on any train you like, as far as I'm concerned, but I don't understand what this has to do with dead game. Very few people give a shit about Yoda, and nobody gives a shit about Prime. If anything, Proleague viewership might actually spike because Prime is going to be replaced by a quality team. So far as I can make out, this is pretty close to an ideal outcome for SC2 - a harsh sentence for some easily ostracized, marginally relevant figures to keep everyone in line in the future. Everything played into KeSPA's hands, almost as if they planned it this way from the start. #TinfoilHat No really, this is terrible for the public image of the league,it also confirms that the matchfix is real and there are more players taking part.the good is that there is a new product (lotv) and it will helps a bit.
Everybody already knew that "the matchfix is real," unless you were living with blinders on. It would have been more appropriate to call 'dead game' at the start of 2015 when these allegations first came to light, because then we had no idea what the repercussions would be.
Now we have some idea, and considering all possible alternatives, so far we've gotten off very easy. The prognosis now is 'less dead game than 6 months ago.'
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Czech Republic12134 Posts
On October 19 2015 17:31 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 17:27 pure.Wasted wrote:On October 19 2015 17:08 Mozdk wrote:
Wow!
Most surprising is the tiny tiny amounts of money it took to fix these matches.
I've never said it before, but I am jumping aboard the dead game train. I don't really believe SC2 will survive for more than a few years max. You're more than welcome to jump on any train you like, as far as I'm concerned, but I don't understand what this has to do with dead game. Very few people give a shit about Yoda, and nobody gives a shit about Prime. If anything, Proleague viewership might actually spike because Prime is going to be replaced by a quality team. So far as I can make out, this is pretty close to an ideal outcome for SC2 - a harsh sentence for some easily ostracized, marginally relevant figures to keep everyone in line in the future. Everything played into KeSPA's hands, almost as if they planned it this way from the start. #TinfoilHat No really, this is terrible for the public image of the league,it also confirms that the matchfix is real and there are more players taking part.the good is that there is a new product (lotv) and it will helps a bit.
C'mon, bad reputation is still reputation and this looks like KeSPA is doing something to stop it happening. This is just publicity. it's not bad, it's not good(there are bad news in it and good news, so it's sorta balancing itself).
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On October 19 2015 17:33 Salteador Neo wrote:
Whoever didn't see such a thing coming is either naive or intentionally blind. So many people already told us the matchfixing was a "known secret" in Korea months and months ago.
and maybe that's only the beginning
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God damnit, this is just like the Saviour scandal all over again. What the hell is wrong with these people. Ban them for life and get on with it.
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$4,400 to $17,000 USD??
I always thought that the match fixing everyone talked about couldn't be so bad since i did not see a world where the players could get enough out of it to make it worth their while. It's so sad to see that i was wrong..
Goodbye Prime, i will remember the good times.
B4 and Yoda, Fucking hell mates it shouldn't have ended like this.
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I almost never missed a major tourny from the beginning of sc2 until the last scandal happened(without mentioning names), and when I heard that this is apparently very common, I lost most of my interest very quickly. Hopefully this investigation will make a big difference so I could get excited for LOTV.
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On October 19 2015 17:30 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 17:29 Musicus wrote:
We knew this was going on but just stopped asking due to request of cummunity figures that said evidence was being gathered in the background. I'm thankful this was not a lie and something was being done indeed. why would i lie you jerk
I say ty, right?
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On October 19 2015 16:56 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 16:54 Pandemona wrote:On October 19 2015 15:56 opterown wrote:On October 19 2015 15:44 lichter wrote:
hopefully Lorning's passion doesn't die because i'm not sure i can find another LR bonjwa protege who are the new guard these days anyway Some of us originals still here ty  we didn't re roll Dota fully!
Also im glad shit is getting cleaned up. Prime always felt shady with Gerrard in charge, i have always disliked him and like Choya put, guy hasn't paid a salary in 4 years. Gets a sponsor and still has no money and doesn't seek proper help. Deserves everything he gets. you're 3rd generation you nub
who are the generations anyway
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On October 19 2015 17:13 Locke- wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 17:02 deacon.frost wrote:No one outside US cares about baseball  Baseball is huge in Japan, Korea and Taiwan. Also to a lesser extent in Central America.
lol i was just about to say this too, maybe not so much in taiwan atm since matchfixing kinda destroyed their scene for a couple years but i heard they are growing.
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On October 19 2015 17:33 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 17:31 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:On October 19 2015 17:27 pure.Wasted wrote:On October 19 2015 17:08 Mozdk wrote:
Wow!
Most surprising is the tiny tiny amounts of money it took to fix these matches.
I've never said it before, but I am jumping aboard the dead game train. I don't really believe SC2 will survive for more than a few years max. You're more than welcome to jump on any train you like, as far as I'm concerned, but I don't understand what this has to do with dead game. Very few people give a shit about Yoda, and nobody gives a shit about Prime. If anything, Proleague viewership might actually spike because Prime is going to be replaced by a quality team. So far as I can make out, this is pretty close to an ideal outcome for SC2 - a harsh sentence for some easily ostracized, marginally relevant figures to keep everyone in line in the future. Everything played into KeSPA's hands, almost as if they planned it this way from the start. #TinfoilHat No really, this is terrible for the public image of the league,it also confirms that the matchfix is real and there are more players taking part.the good is that there is a new product (lotv) and it will helps a bit. Everybody already knew that "the matchfix is real," unless you were living with blinders on. It would have been more appropriate to call 'dead game' at the start of 2015 when these allegations first came to light, because then we had no idea what the repercussions would be. Now we have some idea, and considering all possible alternatives, so far we've gotten off very easy. The prognosis now is 'less dead game than 6 months ago.' ok i didnt explain myself well, now we have faces,also i think kespa is.being really careful as i se they decided to reveal names from a team in troubles,i guess if there are other players from big teams they will be force to retirement.idk
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On October 19 2015 16:19 boxerfred wrote:
Not worth a new thread I guess so here it is:
Can someone prevent a Lorning suicide please?
I have to say I can't really be as angry at YoDa as I'd like to be. Caught on a shitty team during a career downturn with retirement imminent, no interest from sponsors or other teams, no salary paid out - I can see why he felt pressured into accepting betting money 
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Czech Republic12134 Posts
On October 19 2015 17:44 jinyung2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 17:13 Locke- wrote:On October 19 2015 17:02 deacon.frost wrote:No one outside US cares about baseball Baseball is huge in Japan, Korea and Taiwan. Also to a lesser extent in Central America. lol i was just about to say this too, maybe not so much in taiwan atm since matchfixing kinda destroyed their scene for a couple years but i heard they are growing.
... I thought that the smiley suggested well enough that it's a joke which is visible from the Moon. Well, obviously it wasn't as visible as I thought.
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On October 19 2015 17:48 Zealously wrote:I have to say I can't really be as angry at YoDa as I'd like to be. Caught on a shitty team during a career downturn with retirement imminent, no interest from sponsors or other teams, no salary paid out - I can see why he felt pressured into accepting betting money
I don't understand this. How does his shitty situation make it less infuriating? Of course nobody who is on a good team and makes enough money will ever risk doing something like this. People who do this will always be in a shitty situation. They still have to suck it up and stop the progaming dream and work at a mcdonals or anything to make a living, instead of fucking matchfixing which could potentially destroy the scene that has given them everything.
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