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On April 14 2015 01:38 Charoisaur wrote:
typical zerg whine. The foreign zergs just want their afk-hosts back so they can bore their opponents to death.
When they are forced to adapt they just cry instead and ask for David kim to solve their issues.
Mech just got a huge blow by the stupid pdd nerf and the retarded blinding cloud buff and the swarmhost didn't even get nerfed. the new swarmhost is probably even better than the old one because they force friendly fire from the tanks when they land in front of them.
But the problem is that they aren't autocast anymore so the zergs can't go afk anymore and both players have to control their units. That is firecakes problem. he refuses to adapt and instead cries for david kim to help him.
In korea mech will probably die out with the patch and we will be back to bio all day every day. So much diversity wow.
Blinding cloud is way to strong vs mech. Have your tanks a little bit stacked one time and it's instantly gg.
If david kim wants to see something else than bio in every game blinding cloud should be removed from the game immediately. It's the most retarded spell in the entire game. with one click it renders a 200 supply mech army useless and let's you instant win the game. and if it didn't work just throw a nydus in the opponents base and enjoy your freewin.
I assume you're just trolling?
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If we are at the same situation three or four months from now, sure, go ahead and buff something. Up until then I think these sorts of discussions are useless unless they turn a non-salty focus on what zerg can do instead.
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On April 14 2015 01:41 Alchemik wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 01:38 Charoisaur wrote:
typical zerg whine. The foreign zergs just want their afk-hosts back so they can bore their opponents to death.
When they are forced to adapt they just cry instead and ask for David kim to solve their issues.
Mech just got a huge blow by the stupid pdd nerf and the retarded blinding cloud buff and the swarmhost didn't even get nerfed. the new swarmhost is probably even better than the old one because they force friendly fire from the tanks when they land in front of them.
But the problem is that they aren't autocast anymore so the zergs can't go afk anymore and both players have to control their units. That is firecakes problem. he refuses to adapt and instead cries for david kim to help him.
In korea mech will probably die out with the patch and we will be back to bio all day every day. So much diversity wow.
Blinding cloud is way to strong vs mech. Have your tanks a little bit stacked one time and it's instantly gg.
If david kim wants to see something else than bio in every game blinding cloud should be removed from the game immediately. It's the most retarded spell in the entire game. with one click it renders a 200 supply mech army useless and let's you instant win the game. and if it didn't work just throw a nydus in the opponents base and enjoy your freewin. I assume you're just trolling?
I would assume so
On April 06 2015 04:05 Charoisaur wrote:
contamination is so broken...
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On April 14 2015 01:50 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 01:41 Alchemik wrote:On April 14 2015 01:38 Charoisaur wrote:
typical zerg whine. The foreign zergs just want their afk-hosts back so they can bore their opponents to death.
When they are forced to adapt they just cry instead and ask for David kim to solve their issues.
Mech just got a huge blow by the stupid pdd nerf and the retarded blinding cloud buff and the swarmhost didn't even get nerfed. the new swarmhost is probably even better than the old one because they force friendly fire from the tanks when they land in front of them.
But the problem is that they aren't autocast anymore so the zergs can't go afk anymore and both players have to control their units. That is firecakes problem. he refuses to adapt and instead cries for david kim to help him.
In korea mech will probably die out with the patch and we will be back to bio all day every day. So much diversity wow.
Blinding cloud is way to strong vs mech. Have your tanks a little bit stacked one time and it's instantly gg.
If david kim wants to see something else than bio in every game blinding cloud should be removed from the game immediately. It's the most retarded spell in the entire game. with one click it renders a 200 supply mech army useless and let's you instant win the game. and if it didn't work just throw a nydus in the opponents base and enjoy your freewin. I assume you're just trolling? I would assume so
that might be the first time I heard anyone say something like that
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I think even though zerg might be too weak in the lategame, the last thing zerg needs is a grindy slow siege unit. We saw how that worked out in heart of the swarm. A harass-oriented swarm host is much more fun to have in the game, and this is arguably the most interesting role a "free unit generator" can have in sc2. Late game zerg can be addressed through balance changes or lategame buffs to units like vipers, ultras, lurkers and ravagers, which have strong anti-deathball potential.
This early in the beta the focus should definitely not be on balance. Blizzard will balance the game eventually but it remains to be seen whether the resulting game will be dynamic and fun or slow and repetitive.
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I still don't understand why everyone on TL hates turtles. They are like the cutest non-mammals in existence. We used to have two and they were so much fun.
+ Show Spoiler +
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On April 14 2015 02:03 opisska wrote:I still don't understand why everyone on TL hates turtles. They are like the cutest non-mammals in existence. We used to have two and they were so much fun. + Show Spoiler +
Man that pic is so awesome :D
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On April 14 2015 02:03 opisska wrote:I still don't understand why everyone on TL hates turtles. They are like the cutest non-mammals in existence. We used to have two and they were so much fun. + Show Spoiler +
i kinda like having 1 race have much more, and varied "turtle options" than the other 2 races.
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On April 14 2015 02:03 opisska wrote:I still don't understand why everyone on TL hates turtles. They are like the cutest non-mammals in existence. We used to have two and they were so much fun. + Show Spoiler +
Best turtle:
+ Show Spoiler +
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On April 14 2015 01:41 Alchemik wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 01:38 Charoisaur wrote:
typical zerg whine. The foreign zergs just want their afk-hosts back so they can bore their opponents to death.
When they are forced to adapt they just cry instead and ask for David kim to solve their issues.
Mech just got a huge blow by the stupid pdd nerf and the retarded blinding cloud buff and the swarmhost didn't even get nerfed. the new swarmhost is probably even better than the old one because they force friendly fire from the tanks when they land in front of them.
But the problem is that they aren't autocast anymore so the zergs can't go afk anymore and both players have to control their units. That is firecakes problem. he refuses to adapt and instead cries for david kim to help him.
In korea mech will probably die out with the patch and we will be back to bio all day every day. So much diversity wow.
Blinding cloud is way to strong vs mech. Have your tanks a little bit stacked one time and it's instantly gg.
If david kim wants to see something else than bio in every game blinding cloud should be removed from the game immediately. It's the most retarded spell in the entire game. with one click it renders a 200 supply mech army useless and let's you instant win the game. and if it didn't work just throw a nydus in the opponents base and enjoy your freewin. I assume you're just trolling?
nah, I'm just enraged that all zergs scream that they can't win anymore and the game is completely broken 3 days after a balance change without trying anything new.
Maybe mech will dominate in the next few month but with the strengh of blinding cloud I heavily doubt it.
Zerg has so many tools to fight mech; roach hydra viper, mass ultra, BL/infestor, mass mutalisk, nydus play.
Hell the new swarmhost hasn't even been tried.
I really think zergs just don't want to adapt, especially firecake who did nothing but turtling the entire game with swarmhosts before the nerf.
the part where I said that mech is unplayable now was basically a parody of all the zergs saying they can't win anymore although I really think blinding cloud is to punishing vs mech. But obviously it can't be nerfed/removed because without it zerg could really not fight mech anymore.
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I didn't expect this interview to be translate and put on TL.
Many people assume that players need time to adapt to the change.
But in fact we already know this situation, at the beginning of HoTs nobody knew how to use the SH and nobody tries. It took months before zergs players started to use the SH and understand how to play the late game. Before that there were many triple SG builds where the protoss players was spamming voidrays.
These builds are coming back because now that the game has been figured out (Yes, we are playing the same game for more than 2 years...) protoss and terrans players will always win after 20 min.
If you are terran or protoss you juste have to secure a third and start creating your deathball than slowly take a fourth base. Do not forget to put a lot of canons/turrets, its worth it because the zergs players will all in on 3/4 bases.
Yes we could win without directly using SH before the patch, but now the lack of SH allow terrans and protoss to stay defensive on 3-4 bases, this was not seen before the patch because it was not viable because of the SH. Because of the SH terrans and protoss had to be aggressive on 3/4 bases and thus the zerg could attack their armies on creep.
The most important thing to understand is that many players decisions revolved around the fear of the SH (if you camp i will make free units !).
I am really angry because i know David Kim doesn't care about this and will do nothing before LoTv.
Let's imagine this patch turns into a very unfair game where zerg underperformed.
It will take months before statistics show the imbalance, and then it will take months before viewers start to realize the situation, and then it will take months before David Kim might consider to maybe do something. But guess what, Lotv will be out soon so why should he tries something ?
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On April 14 2015 02:15 Charoisaur wrote:
I really think zergs just don't want to adapt, especially firecake who did nothing but turtling the entire game with swarmhosts before the nerf.
Wow you watched one of my game, i guess it was my game against Mana 2 years ago, and you assume i do this in every games.
You are a clever man.
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SH games were terrible to watch. Just horrible. I don't really care if it tunes the game somewhat out of balance because no one would look forward to seeing a SH vs turtle stall fest. I'm still impressed they actually took the reigns of the game and made a significant patch since we had to deal with 1.5 years of BL/Inf stupidity at the end of WoL's lifecycle.
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On April 14 2015 02:15 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 01:41 Alchemik wrote:On April 14 2015 01:38 Charoisaur wrote:
typical zerg whine. The foreign zergs just want their afk-hosts back so they can bore their opponents to death.
When they are forced to adapt they just cry instead and ask for David kim to solve their issues.
Mech just got a huge blow by the stupid pdd nerf and the retarded blinding cloud buff and the swarmhost didn't even get nerfed. the new swarmhost is probably even better than the old one because they force friendly fire from the tanks when they land in front of them.
But the problem is that they aren't autocast anymore so the zergs can't go afk anymore and both players have to control their units. That is firecakes problem. he refuses to adapt and instead cries for david kim to help him.
In korea mech will probably die out with the patch and we will be back to bio all day every day. So much diversity wow.
Blinding cloud is way to strong vs mech. Have your tanks a little bit stacked one time and it's instantly gg.
If david kim wants to see something else than bio in every game blinding cloud should be removed from the game immediately. It's the most retarded spell in the entire game. with one click it renders a 200 supply mech army useless and let's you instant win the game. and if it didn't work just throw a nydus in the opponents base and enjoy your freewin. I assume you're just trolling? nah, I'm just enraged that all zergs scream that they can't win anymore and the game is completely broken 3 days after a balance change without trying anything new. Maybe mech will dominate in the next few month but with the strengh of blinding cloud I heavily doubt it. Zerg has so many tools to fight mech; roach hydra viper, mass ultra, BL/infestor, mass mutalisk, nydus play. I really think zergs just don't want to adapt, especially firecake who did nothing but turtling the entire game with swarmhosts before the nerf. the part where I said that mech is unplayable now was basically a parody of all the zergs saying they can't win anymore although I really think blinding cloud is to punishing vs mech. But obviously it can't be nerfed/removed because without it zerg could really not fight mech anymore.
those "tools" are mostly all-ins that can work, sure, but are not consistent and consistency is what we are looking for - SH's were a consistent late game unit and a balanced one at that. I don't think anyone actually liked the games that SH's and mech/Protoss could create (even though most of them ZvP's were fun to watch, there were some boring and stalemate ones), but at least it was balanced, which it isn't now - and people are "crying" to make Blizzard not do the same thing they did at the end of WoL and leave it imbalanced because the game's gonna end soon - we still have good half a year of HotS
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On April 14 2015 02:20 FireCake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 02:15 Charoisaur wrote:
I really think zergs just don't want to adapt, especially firecake who did nothing but turtling the entire game with swarmhosts before the nerf. Wow you watched one of my game, i guess it was my game against Mana 2 years ago, and you assume i do this in every games. You are a clever man.
Hi FireCake, I see you have just 14 posts which means you probably aren't very active on TL - which is a shame in my opinion because you are one of the very top EU players. And I would presume that one of the reasons why pros like you aren't very active here are idiots like Charoisaur who just spew nonsense because they feel they are the most clever person on Earth.
I would like to suggest that you consider just ignoring these blatantly offensive comments. There are actually many people here who care deeply about the game and who understand it a lot (the second is not exactly my case, I admit) and the more pros come here, the better for the discussion. So just please don't get discouraged by the few vocal shitheads, most of us have true admiration for the determination and sacrifice it takes to become a pro player!
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On April 14 2015 02:17 FireCake wrote:
I am really angry because i know David Kim doesn't care about this and will do nothing before LoTv.
Let's imagine this patch turns into a very unfair game where zerg underperformed.
It will take months before statistics show the imbalance, and then it will take months before viewers start to realize the situation, and then it will take months before David Kim might consider to maybe do something. But guess what, Lotv will be out soon so why should he tries something ?
realizing all this. and also knowing things are going to remain this way with LotV regarding months of lag time between realization... common knowledge and eventually change by Blizz/D.Kim.... are you considering leaving pro SC2 ?
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On April 14 2015 02:23 Alchemik wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 02:15 Charoisaur wrote:On April 14 2015 01:41 Alchemik wrote:On April 14 2015 01:38 Charoisaur wrote:
typical zerg whine. The foreign zergs just want their afk-hosts back so they can bore their opponents to death.
When they are forced to adapt they just cry instead and ask for David kim to solve their issues.
Mech just got a huge blow by the stupid pdd nerf and the retarded blinding cloud buff and the swarmhost didn't even get nerfed. the new swarmhost is probably even better than the old one because they force friendly fire from the tanks when they land in front of them.
But the problem is that they aren't autocast anymore so the zergs can't go afk anymore and both players have to control their units. That is firecakes problem. he refuses to adapt and instead cries for david kim to help him.
In korea mech will probably die out with the patch and we will be back to bio all day every day. So much diversity wow.
Blinding cloud is way to strong vs mech. Have your tanks a little bit stacked one time and it's instantly gg.
If david kim wants to see something else than bio in every game blinding cloud should be removed from the game immediately. It's the most retarded spell in the entire game. with one click it renders a 200 supply mech army useless and let's you instant win the game. and if it didn't work just throw a nydus in the opponents base and enjoy your freewin. I assume you're just trolling? nah, I'm just enraged that all zergs scream that they can't win anymore and the game is completely broken 3 days after a balance change without trying anything new. Maybe mech will dominate in the next few month but with the strengh of blinding cloud I heavily doubt it. Zerg has so many tools to fight mech; roach hydra viper, mass ultra, BL/infestor, mass mutalisk, nydus play. I really think zergs just don't want to adapt, especially firecake who did nothing but turtling the entire game with swarmhosts before the nerf. the part where I said that mech is unplayable now was basically a parody of all the zergs saying they can't win anymore although I really think blinding cloud is to punishing vs mech. But obviously it can't be nerfed/removed because without it zerg could really not fight mech anymore. those "tools" are mostly all-ins that can work, sure, but are not consistent and consistency is what we are looking for - SH's were a consistent late game unit and a balanced one at that. I don't think anyone actually liked the games that SH's and mech/Protoss could create (even though most of them ZvP's were fun to watch, there were some boring and stalemate ones), but at least it was balanced, which it isn't now - and people are "crying" to make Blizzard not do the same thing they did at the end of WoL and leave it imbalanced because the game's gonna end soon - we still have good half a year of HotS
Huh, it's imbalanced now? please show me the statistics from the highest level of play that show mech is imba.
Until mech dominates gsl and proleague I don't believe that.
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On April 14 2015 02:28 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
realizing all this. and also knowing things are going to remain this way with LotV. are you considering leaving pro SC2 ?
I am not a pro, i am a full time engineer.
To be honest i thought about becoming a full time pro player in 5 months. After losing Polt in WCS i was really motivated to become a lot better and get good results.
But 3 days ago i got demolished by David Kim, in my eyes he ruined the game (again ?). I still can win games, everybody can steal games with stupid all ins, but at this moment the game is a big joke in my opinion.
If i was not in the WCS system i would have leave the game for sure.
@opisska :
Thanks for the tip, there is also an other reason why i don't post here very often : my english :D
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Blah blah blah. First of all FireCake lost to Happy not because of mech. Secondly we had WoL where zergs were able to win against mech without sh, nowdays you have vipers to help you and ravens were nerfed (not only pdd, but also how seeker shoots). Stop crying - start practising.
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On April 14 2015 02:35 FireCake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 02:28 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
realizing all this. and also knowing things are going to remain this way with LotV. are you considering leaving pro SC2 ?
I am not a pro, i am a full time engineer. To be honest i thought about becoming a full time pro player in 5 months. After losing Polt in WCS i was really motivated to become a lot better and get good results. But 3 days ago i got demolished by David Kim, in my eyes he ruined the game (again ?). I still can win games, everybody can steal games with stupid all ins, but at this moment the game is a big joke in my opinion. If i was not in the WCS system i would have leave the game for sure. @opisska : Thanks for the tip, there is also an other reason why i don't post here very often : my english :D
thanks for your detailed reply.
your english is not perfect, but it is very easy to figure out what you mean.
if someone gets angry with you about your english then they are being pedantic 
its pretty impressive if u can work full time and compete in WCS.
also, even if some of your opinions are only partially correct, or "not Code S level meta" i'd rather hear them any way.
when it comes to criticizing Blizzard and David Kim be really precise with exactly what they are doing wrong and try to avoid some kind of vast generalization such as "David Kim is very dumb" or "Blizzard sucks balls".
again, thanks for posting.
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