EPTPinnacle voids ByuL vs MarineKing Match - Page 51
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inermis
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Deleted User 26513
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On March 27 2015 18:23 maGicc wrote: Thank god noone really cares that people like you declare the case "closed" Oh, I did ? Thank God you told me. I didn't realize it. | ||
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Penev
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As usual: Post with respect. Don't bash other posters. | ||
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bypLy
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Penev
28483 Posts
On March 27 2015 18:49 bypLy wrote: any news from the korean scene on this? None | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
On March 27 2015 18:23 maGicc wrote: At this point noone is capable of providing the reasonable counter explanation that would stand any sort of rational analysis. ![[image loading]](http://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-if-it-doesn-t-fit-you-must-acquit-johnnie-cochran-39170.jpg)  User was warned for this post | ||
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
On March 27 2015 05:35 Doodsmack wrote: If sports betting were to go away, the world would be a better place. If sports betting goes away, it just goes to illicit channels and we never have this topic in the first place, and the match fixing goes on regardless. If anything, sports betting needs legalising and regulating in more places (looking at America as well as Korea, if anything their stance is even more ridiculous) which'll give more security to everybody. It wouldn't surprise me if Kespa's not actually co-operating with this in the hopes that Pinnacle moves out of the SC2 market because fixing is endemic, and then without the blatant evidence from line shifts, it can just be ignored in the future. Much easier to brush things under the carpet than actually clean it up. edit - adjusting the prizepools for individual leagues so that lower players can actually get decent money might help a lot here | ||
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maGicc
Finland134 Posts
I was really interested when Wolf promised to translate some korean comments. But its understanable that there is a chance he would never get to it since he is probably super busy atm. | ||
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Penev
28483 Posts
On March 27 2015 20:12 maGicc wrote: I was really interested when Wolf promised to translate some korean comments. But its understanable that there is a chance he would never get to it since he is probably super busy atm. Yeah, I would like to hear from TL though, if they contacted KeSPA for this particular match (I know Lichter did for the other voided matches). | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On March 27 2015 20:08 sixfour wrote: edit - adjusting the prizepools for individual leagues so that lower players can actually get decent money might help a lot here I think that the issue is way more with salaries than with prize pool, no? I'm not sure that the ex-eSF teams pay salaries apart from Prime (and I doubt that Prime's salaries are very high compared to KT/SKT/JAGW/Khan/CJ) | ||
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TheSayo182
Italy243 Posts
On March 27 2015 20:36 OtherWorld wrote: I think that the issue is way more with salaries than with prize pool, no? I'm not sure that the ex-eSF teams pay salaries apart from Prime (and I doubt that Prime's salaries are very high compared to KT/SKT/JAGW/Khan/CJ) i think we have a point here, moreover how those ex eSF teams kept themselves alive with barely any sponsor? team mvp probably took big money from selling their LoL team, but the other two? not an accusation just a reflection | ||
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
On March 27 2015 20:36 OtherWorld wrote: I think that the issue is way more with salaries than with prize pool, no? I'm not sure that the ex-eSF teams pay salaries apart from Prime (and I doubt that Prime's salaries are very high compared to KT/SKT/JAGW/Khan/CJ) This is possibly also a significant factor, and I don't know the internal working of progaming teams in terms of salaries or if individual prize money is distributed within the team at all, but just look at the upcoming code A - drop out of it and you win all of ₩400k, good luck, see you in four months. Win through that and you double your money - you don't even break $1k unless you make the top 16. At least now there's the SSL to give another way to make cash, but they only pay the top 16, people not making the top 8 didn't make a grand, and over half the total prize pool went to Maru. If your sport is designed as such whereby such a huge proportion of prize money going into the system is going to a small amount of players, and salaries are low if they exist at all, then you really shouldn't be surprised that players either quit, move to easier markets, or be tempted to obtain money through other methods. | ||
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NEEDZMOAR
Sweden1277 Posts
On March 27 2015 03:11 Grizvok wrote: Oh come on. You can't call this a "badly played match". This transcends that to an absurd degree. are you kidding me? Do you even watch sc2? Do you know how many times pro players have fucked up beyond any reason? a lot of times. Just take Flash's game on Deadwing vs sOs, He threw it so hard that the only explanation for his actions wouldve been a) matchfixing or b) brainfart. and for all you "I dont know how to read between the lines"-guys out there, no im not saying that Flash matchfixed, im saying that brainfarts happen, even to pro players, especially to emotional ones. | ||
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Penev
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On March 27 2015 22:34 NEEDZMOAR wrote: are you kidding me? Do you even watch sc2? Do you know how many times pro players have fucked up beyond any reason? a lot of times. Just take Flash's game on Deadwing vs sOs, He threw it so hard that the only explanation for his actions wouldve been a) matchfixing or b) brainfart. and for all you "I dont know how to read between the lines"-guys out there, no im not saying that Flash matchfixed, im saying that brainfarts happen, even to pro players, especially to emotional ones. He scouted a Zerg with no natural and late pool and reacted the way he did (on top of the spine wihin vision etc).. Dude, that's really too much. Not that it matters considering we should assume people knew he was going too lose.. Face it, it's highly unlikely he didn't match fix :/ | ||
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sc2_FeaR
Canada48 Posts
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Penev
28483 Posts
On March 27 2015 22:54 sc2_FeaR wrote: Has anyone said anything about this yet besides MarineKing's absolutely ridiculous facebook post? MVP? Kespa? Nope | ||
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Grizvok
United States711 Posts
On March 27 2015 22:34 NEEDZMOAR wrote: are you kidding me? Do you even watch sc2? Do you know how many times pro players have fucked up beyond any reason? a lot of times. Just take Flash's game on Deadwing vs sOs, He threw it so hard that the only explanation for his actions wouldve been a) matchfixing or b) brainfart. and for all you "I dont know how to read between the lines"-guys out there, no im not saying that Flash matchfixed, im saying that brainfarts happen, even to pro players, especially to emotional ones. You are an idiot comparing this match to really any game out there. If you can't see the difference than I'm sorry. | ||
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TronJovolta
United States323 Posts
On March 27 2015 23:23 Grizvok wrote: You are an idiot comparing this match to really any game out there. If you can't see the difference than I'm sorry. lol too true. and he poses, "do you even watch sc2?". my question to this kid is do you even play sc2? any plat and above scouts what MK did and goes defensive. PERIOD. | ||
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
On March 27 2015 18:00 Caihead wrote: That's why the line movement is so absurd, because it is being moved that far despite people who should normally behave by putting money on MK. These huge sums of money were last minute right? Anyways, despite how ridiculous it sounds Kespa might just try and ignore this. The SC2 scene has never been widely supported in Korea. Acknowledgement of a match fixing scandal would likely dissipate the little support the game still has. It is unlikely Proleague would survive, putting all the teams' players and staff out of a job, not to mention void the sponsor deals that were pretty difficult to come by in the first place. Kespa has the responsibility to keep their leagues clean, but they also have the responsibility to protect their teams and employees. I feel the need to protect the SC2 scene overrules the cleanliness of the scene at this point, at least until LotV arrives and SC2 can get some new traction. I predict they'll let this blow over and come with a statement when things have a better chance of stabilising (aka not exploding). | ||
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pretender58
Germany713 Posts
On March 28 2015 01:04 Saechiis wrote: These huge sums of money were last minute right? Yes. | ||
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Even after all the scandal around it he didn't know...
