EPTPinnacle voids ByuL vs MarineKing Match - Page 39
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Popkiller
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jellyjello
Korea (South)664 Posts
On March 26 2015 12:11 Popkiller wrote: its kind of funny, to be honest. If I think of MKP throwing a game, it makes total sense that he'd be this bad at it. I don't have the slightest clue on how the betting bussiness works, but wouldn't Pinnacle be able to trace back the source originator who skewed the betting line? | ||
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Grizvok
United States711 Posts
On March 26 2015 12:09 sage_francis wrote: Your comment shows that you are definitely not one of these... Amazing comeback. Seriously though if you have zero idea what is happening probably best to keep your opinion to yourself. Especially if you say "sounds like a big mistake" meaning you don't even have knowledge of the game. See? I'm considerably more intelligent than yourself. | ||
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Captain Peabody
United States3095 Posts
On March 26 2015 10:55 triforks wrote: Also wondering, in the case of Brood War and sAviOr, what was the conclusive proof that got him banned from the competitive scene? Did he admit it himself? Lots of other people confessed. Savior was the point man for getting players to throw games, so it was pretty easy to nail him. He denied it for quite a while. Also, there were suspicious games, coaches getting wind of things, and the whole thing was blown off by a Kespa and government investigation. | ||
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Captain Peabody
United States3095 Posts
Also, does anyone know how this looks in the Korean media world? Are a lot of people talking about it? | ||
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Grizvok
United States711 Posts
On March 26 2015 12:18 jellyjello wrote: I don't have the slightest clue on how the betting bussiness works, but wouldn't Pinnacle be able to trace back the source originator who skewed the betting line? I'm absolutely sure they have the IP where the bets were placed or what have you. But this is a BIG organization we are talking about; they aren't just going to publicly declare who the person placing these bets is. | ||
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Hellbat
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hangarninetysix
263 Posts
On March 26 2015 11:13 xongnox wrote: Well, what i find very surprising in this story, is the strange betting pattern: that doses not make sense at all, even from a match-fixing perspective. After the last episode, everyone knows Pinnacle will voids such a betting where immense amount of money throws immensely the lines just before the match. So, we can guess either : -an error (related or not with matchfixing guys ) -Some wanted to void the bets ? -other ideas ? I'd imagine Pinnacle is only one of multiple places you can bet on proleague. | ||
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jinyung2
Luxembourg1455 Posts
On March 26 2015 12:55 hangarninetysix wrote: I'd imagine Pinnacle is only one of multiple places you can bet on proleague. theres a TONNNN of illegal betting that goes on for proleague via afreeca streams. you'll see people with their kakaotalk IDs and their secret websites where you go to do your betting and they bet on just about anything lol it's rampant to the point where a lot of times the illegal betting rooms can have more viewers than the official proleague streams before they get closed down by the afreeca ban hammer but they promptly pop up again and there are just so many lol | ||
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bypLy
757 Posts
He switches games more than once (switching and coming back) He is more vain then other players (wearing the huge white glasses just as an example) His playstyle in sc is charachterised by extreme greed or extreme agression. He is a obviously a guy willing to take huge risk and gamble and I would describe this style as somewhat spongy. He is here and there, always somehow on the edge, but nothing substantial, fundamental, settled or restful. If I had to pick a player in PL from whom I was thinking that would most likely be capable to betray like that, I would pick MarineKing, not even considering the game we have all witnessed. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
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Jermius
United States13 Posts
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bypLy
757 Posts
On March 26 2015 14:55 Jermius wrote: That analysis doesn't make any sense, MarineKing is one of the most emotional players but that also makes him one of the most passionate players. He certainly takes this video game very seriously, even more than other gaming professionals. He is also one of the only players I know that publicly complained about betting and corrupt sponsors in the Korean scene. yeah sure he wants his attention. didnt he start off his career with the name of slayers boxer? later he was called Foxer for Fake Boxer before changing his name to MKP? | ||
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Jermius
United States13 Posts
On March 26 2015 15:33 bypLy wrote: yeah sure he wants his attention. didnt he start off his career with the name of slayers boxer? later he was called Foxer for Fake Boxer before changing his name to MKP? So? It was a tribute to his idol before he had his own identity lol | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On March 26 2015 10:21 BronzeKnee wrote: Ya know what really gets me about all this? These guys spend so much time perfecting build orders to a T, but when it comes to match fixing, they can't even pull it off without it looking ridiculously suspicious. Like MarineKing should have just used the Reapers to beat away at the Spine Crawler, and appear to try to do well, but end up doing a sloppy job all game. Then no one would have questioned his play. Assuming that he indeed matchfix, that he would do it wrong doesn't surprise me in the slightest tbh. First of all, it's MarineKing, he's always been nervous and shit, which probably hindered his ability to analyze how he should make it look. Additionally, if he attacks the spine, let's face it : he wins. ByuL's on one base, he has no speed, no bane nest, against a 2 OC Terran, soon to be 3, his cheese failed, there's a high chance that he GGs straight up. | ||
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Popkiller
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DJHelium
Sweden13480 Posts
On March 26 2015 12:38 Hellbat wrote: Didn't he see gas mining on 1 base with his reaper? Maybe he thought it was a baneling bust. But the problem is if he did scout that, why go 3CC? No. Seeing pool timing and no expand, marineking knows 100% its proxy hatch. The only reason for him not to scout for it is because he doesn't want to find it. | ||
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seom
South Africa491 Posts
On March 26 2015 15:33 bypLy wrote: yeah sure he wants his attention. didnt he start off his career with the name of slayers boxer? later he was called Foxer for Fake Boxer before changing his name to MKP? lol. stop dude. and to people saying MKP is match fixing because the proof is all in the betting lines. well then are we gona say San, Yoda and Inno are all in involved too now? because that is what is being insinuated. sorry but strange betting behaviour is not proof enough. its hilarious how some of the members in his fanclub have already passed judgement and labelled him a match-fixer and saying his career is over (you srsly call yourself fans?) i don't care for MKP as a player but I somehow doubt he is involved in throwing games - its not his style. i think he was just really unlucky. same scenario as the other pinnacle voided games, the only thing is MKP played really really shitty too so it looks kinda bad.when you look at the sloppy play and the betting lines together you might think that is a fair amount of proof to label him a match-fixer - but i just don't think so. only an internal investigation will provide any real answers. edit: another thing to note is MKP looked visibly distressed before the game even started. there could be any number of reason for this, however if there are personal problems or performance / expectation issues at the mvp house this could be affecting his mentality and make him play really bad. remember these are just kids, often in high pressure situations. also, its not the first time mkp has played with "tunnel vision" and missed something completely obvious. | ||
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Ketch
Netherlands7285 Posts
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Quixotic_tv
Germany130 Posts
There is manipulation in almost every sport. Yet I still hope that it's been the most epic blackout in SC2 pro history. | ||
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