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I also believe MarineKing would have to have been new to intentionally throwing games, at least on such a stage as this one. He looked pretty off in every way. And it just so happened to be against one of the weirder cheeses out there.
I think more than anything, before taking part in actual matchfixing, they should practice everything, including acting skills. Because, aside from MarineKing's totally derpy in-game actions (holding reapers there, building random 3rd CC, etc.), the most off thing about it was that gasp of his when he "saw" the creep.
Also very good point by pure.Wasted. When throwing a match, I think you really need to ensure that you lose that match, because I feel like the repercussions would be pretty severe. Like, if I agreed to throw a major match, and ended up winning somehow, the first thing I would do is contact the police....
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On March 26 2015 10:25 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 10:21 BronzeKnee wrote:
Ya know what really gets me about all this?
These guys spend so much time perfecting build orders to a T, but when it comes to match fixing, they can't even pull it off without it looking ridiculously suspicious.
Like MarineKing should have just used the Reapers to beat away at the Spine Crawler, and appear to try to do well, but end up doing a sloppy job all game. Then no one would have questioned his play. What happens if ByuL panics, makes a horrible play in response, and leaves the game? I don't know what the likelihood of ByuL panicking is, but is it 0%? The people MK made a deal with will have lost up to a hundred thousand dollars. You don't think there would be any repercussions against him?
Yea I was also thinking that. If MKP did somehow win the match, what would happen to him if he WAS matchfixing?
Would they extort him for the money back? Let it slide and make him fix again to fix it? The fact that it was voided on Pinnacle may make it seem like it wouldn't matter, but are other mediums being used besides Pinnacle to bet? Certainly Pinnacle isn't the ONLY Proleague betting medium.
Does anyone have any examples of a match fixing situation where the guy who is supposed to lose ends up winning and what happens to them?
I believe for MKP, looking like a noob in Proleague is almost 100% better than somehow winning the batch and pissing off a group of shady betters.
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On March 26 2015 10:50 jellyjello wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 10:25 pure.Wasted wrote:On March 26 2015 10:21 BronzeKnee wrote:
Ya know what really gets me about all this?
These guys spend so much time perfecting build orders to a T, but when it comes to match fixing, they can't even pull it off without it looking ridiculously suspicious.
Like MarineKing should have just used the Reapers to beat away at the Spine Crawler, and appear to try to do well, but end up doing a sloppy job all game. Then no one would have questioned his play. What happens if ByuL panics, makes a horrible play in response, and leaves the game? I don't know what the likelihood of ByuL panicking is, but is it 0%? The people MK made a deal with will have lost up to a hundred thousand dollars. You don't think there would be any repercussions against him? Have we already concluded that MKP is guilty as charged?
Well, pretty much 
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if you wanna go full tinfoil hat, maybe Byul got wind of the whole thing and decided to play that build exactly to put Marineking in the awkward situation of either doing something extremely suspicious or accidentally winning the game.
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Also wondering, in the case of Brood War and sAviOr, what was the conclusive proof that got him banned from the competitive scene?
Did he admit it himself?
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On March 26 2015 10:55 triforks wrote:
Also wondering, in the case of Brood War and sAviOr, what was the conclusive proof that got him banned from the competitive scene?
Did he admit it himself?
I think we need Rekrul for this
Rekrul pls
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On March 26 2015 10:55 Schelim wrote:
if you wanna go full tinfoil hat, maybe Byul got wind of the whole thing and decided to play that build exactly to put Marineking in the awkward situation of either doing something extremely suspicious or accidentally winning the game.
This was my first thought
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Byul is not totally free of suspicion. The betting pattern from his match against terror were strange too. A player who plays in two matches with suspicisous betting pattern is suspicious. MK scouted the spinecrawler because the reaper automoved too the rocks because the second cc was build. That was why he saw the spine. This is pure speculation but Byul is not free from suspiciuon.
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Well, what i find very surprising in this story, is the strange betting pattern: that doses not make sense at all, even from a match-fixing perspective. After the last episode, everyone knows Pinnacle will voids such a betting where immense amount of money throws immensely the lines just before the match.
So, we can guess either :
-an error (related or not with matchfixing guys )
-Some wanted to void the bets ?
-other ideas ?
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Nobody is free from suspicion but until a player loses a game that appears to be fixed there's no reason to believe they're involved either. Byul won both of the suspicious line move games in question he was involved in. Involving two players to fix a match is unnecessary and adds an extra person to split the proceeds into the equation for no reason. You would only need one person to try and lose the match to fix matches successfully.
A refresher course on how the Savior scandal was exposed from someone who was around to witness it would be good. From memory it was a police/kespa investigation but I could be wrong.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Match_Fixing_Scandal wiki page on the scandal
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On March 26 2015 11:10 BartCraft wrote:
Byul is not totally free of suspicion. The betting pattern from his match against terror were strange too. A player who plays in two matches with suspicisous betting pattern is suspicious. MK scouted the spinecrawler because the reaper automoved too the rocks because the second cc was build. That was why he saw the spine. This is pure speculation but Byul is not free from suspiciuon.
It could be a poor fabricated ploy from both sides; Byul messing up because of the stupidly placed spine but the panicking because of the unsuspected all in works too. It's not pretty whatever you choose..
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On March 26 2015 10:50 lord_nibbler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 10:21 BronzeKnee wrote:
These guys spend so much time perfecting build orders to a T, but when it comes to match fixing, they can't even pull it off without it looking ridiculously suspicious. That's what gets me as well. It should be so easy to lose a TvZ in a 'standard' way. Just don't split your Marines or 'react too late' to a muta switch or get yourself roach busted because the SCVs are late to the repair.
I'm not saying MarineKing threw or didn't throw the game either way, but I think MarineKing not splitting his Marines would be just as suspicious as him building a 3rd CC and sitting in his base in the face of a scouted proxy Hatchery cheese. MarineKing is known just as much, if not more so, for his Marine splitting as he is for his greed/silver-league stupidity.
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On March 26 2015 11:13 xongnox wrote:
Well, what i find very surprising in this story, is the strange betting pattern: that doses not make sense at all, even from a match-fixing perspective. After the last episode, everyone knows Pinnacle will voids such a betting where immense amount of money throws immensely the lines just before the match.
So, we can guess either :
-an error (related or not with matchfixing guys )
-Some wanted to void the bets ?
-other ideas ?
Stupidity. Seriously; It's not far fetched
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I'm not saying he's guilty or not but geez I never knew those Proleague booths held 1500 people who could all see MK's PoV
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On March 26 2015 11:13 xongnox wrote:
Well, what i find very surprising in this story, is the strange betting pattern: that doses not make sense at all, even from a match-fixing perspective. After the last episode, everyone knows Pinnacle will voids such a betting where immense amount of money throws immensely the lines just before the match.
So, we can guess either :
-an error (related or not with matchfixing guys )
-Some wanted to void the bets ?
-other ideas ?
It makes way more sense than your ideas.
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To me, that sounds like a big mistake. Anyone can do big mistakes you know. There is absolutely zero evidence of matchfixing....
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Personally I think there's no match fixing going on, just MKP being MKP, we all know that he's emotional and can tilt like no one else. He looked off even before the match.
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On March 26 2015 11:55 sage_francis wrote:
To me, that sounds like a big mistake. Anyone can do big mistakes you know. There is absolutely zero evidence of matchfixing....
People way smarter than you think otherwise.
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On March 26 2015 11:01 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 10:55 triforks wrote:
Also wondering, in the case of Brood War and sAviOr, what was the conclusive proof that got him banned from the competitive scene?
Did he admit it himself? I think we need Rekrul for this Rekrul pls
I'm pretty sure when you are the broker and having every other match fixer point their fingers at you, no confession is necessary.
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On March 26 2015 11:59 Grizvok wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 11:55 sage_francis wrote:
To me, that sounds like a big mistake. Anyone can do big mistakes you know. There is absolutely zero evidence of matchfixing.... People way smarter than you think otherwise.
Your comment shows that you are definitely not one of these...
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