Pinnacle voids ByuL vs MarineKing Match - Page 41

On March 26 2015 19:04 showstealer1829 wrote:
No you have circumstantial evidence, opinion and a fuckton of speculation. Were you in there in the booth with MK? Was anyone other than the kespa official? Like I said earlier, I'm amazed that proleague booths can hold 1500 people.

The opinions of those saying "Let's wait for a statement or the results of an investigation" is no less valid than those who want to be MK's judge, jury and executioner.

On March 26 2015 20:11 life617 wrote:
Long time fan of mkp. I have lost all my respect for him. If he doesn't have the strengh to stand his ground for what is morrally right there is no point in looking up to him. The only way for him to gain it back is to let the pubkic know the honest truth and face the consequences if it really is true.

On March 26 2015 20:14 DJHelium wrote:


While I'm certain he did throw that game, I still don't want to put that much blame onto Marineking. We don't know the story behind why he threw. Could be threats etc behind it.

On March 26 2015 20:20 OtherWorld wrote:

How certain are you?

On March 26 2015 20:34 DJHelium wrote:


I'd say over 99% chance. Just no way a pro player doesn't scout for the hatchery after seeing pool and gas timing. No way.

This combined with the betting patterns and some subjective feelings on how he acted is enough for me.

What I would like to see is a real statement from Marineking or MVP. It's weird that they don't say anything.

I know Marineking posted that facebook message, but what I'm looking for is something that explains why he didn't react at all to what he saw.

The spine on minimap isn't the big issue gameplay wise, it's the complete lack of reaction after scouting an obvious proxy hatch.

edit: Like I wrote earlier in the thread when someone compared it to Maru not seeing the nydus in the main. This would be like if Maru had scouted the nydus, refused to put buildings/units around his base to get vision and then refused to react to the nydus showing up on the minimap. It doesn't make sense.

On March 26 2015 20:43 OtherWorld wrote:

What if his apparent complete lack of reaction after scouting turned out to be his normal reaction against proxy hatches? Considering that he knows the timing of the pool + gas, he knows that there are no danger coming his way until much later, right?

On March 26 2015 20:50 DJHelium wrote:


You mean that he forgot there was a back door and assumed proxy hatch was like at his third?

Even if that's the case, there is no reason not to scout for it with his reaper. I doubt any pro-gamer agrees that it's a good reaction. For example, you would want to see if it's speedlings+queens+spines, roaches or even banelings coming your way.

Like I said, combined with betting patterns it sadly makes me sure Marineking threw it

On March 26 2015 20:52 Andre wrote:
It's pointless to discuss MKP's decision making in the game. Everyone's over-analyzing it. I swear if you picked up a few random SC2 games and you were convinced a certain player is throwing you'd find bunch of dumb silver-level plays in his game.

Leave it to whoever is going to conduct an official investigation, if there even will be one.

On March 26 2015 20:34 DJHelium wrote:




edit: Like I wrote earlier in the thread when someone compared it to Maru not seeing the nydus in the main. This would be like if Maru had scouted the nydus, refused to put buildings/units around his base to get vision and then refused to react to the nydus showing up on the minimap. It doesn't make sense.

On March 26 2015 20:52 Andre wrote:
It's pointless to discuss MKP's decision making in the game. Everyone's over-analyzing it. I swear if you picked up a few random SC2 games and you were convinced a certain player is throwing you'd find bunch of dumb silver-level plays in his game.

Leave it to whoever is going to conduct an official investigation, if there even will be one.

On March 26 2015 20:54 DJHelium wrote:


I don't think it's pointless. In my opinion, it clearly shows that he lost intentionally.

Of course I would LOVE an official investigation, but since we haven't heard anything from Kespa/Blizzard for a few months now I have my doubts. The more the community knows about it, the more likely it is that Kespa/Blizzard reacts.

And it's obviously not good for the scene, but watching rigged games is even worse I'd say.

edit to Otherworld: I'm not certain about the other games just because the gameplay shown wasn't necessary a throw. For example, while San's MSC loss was a big mistake, it can easily be unintentional due to him being focused elsewhere.

In Marineking's case, he had all the time and focus in the world and just choose not to do it.

And obviously I'm starting to doubt the other ones now as well. I've actually planned to rewatch the games in question to get a better idea.

It's not a personal vendetta against Marineking, I quite enjoy his play

On March 26 2015 21:06 OtherWorld wrote:
Hmm OK. I dunno though, he looks obviously extremely nervous/possibly ill/tired/mentally affected by something

On March 26 2015 21:06 OtherWorld wrote:

Hmm OK. I dunno though, he looks obviously extremely nervous/possibly ill/tired/mentally affected by something, he also leans extremely far forward when he scouts the pool timing iirc (probably in order to see precisely the % of completion), which is another indicator that he could have played the game while being not at the most of his capacity.

On March 26 2015 21:12 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:

Or he was nervous because he knew he had to throw the game and we know MK is not one to hide his emotions well. Anyway nothing is certain but he sure didn't play to win during the game.

On March 26 2015 21:11 maGicc wrote:


I am not sure how can you ignore the most simpliest and most probable explanation that he is about the throw the game on camera and just nervous as hell about it.

On March 26 2015 20:59 maGicc wrote:


Its not the only issue here. Maru's game was way different. In MKP"s game there was NOTHING going on, he was sitting on 1 base without getting harassed, or doing a harass. There is no way he can sell the fact that he was "macroing" for 2 minutes without noticing anything.

Its not like he can say "well i was looking somewhere else", because at that point in the game there was nothing else to look at. The only legit cop out he can use in this case is that he had a 2nd monitor in the booth and was watching a movie instead.




1. Explain how its pointless and point out the "over-analyzation"? I dont see how its pointless to analyze the game that does not make sense and looks like a blatant throw.
2. "I swear if you picked up a few random SC2 games and you were convinced a certain player is throwing" No thats just you throwing the random stuff out without any truth behind it. I challenge you to find a game that looks like a throw to the level of this one, espessily just using a "few random games" as an example.

So far Nathanias, Moonglade and Wolf all said that they've "Never seen anything like that in the competetive match"


So no, discussing and analyzing it is not pointless at all. If anything, it can finally convience enough of the community that will result in enough pressure on Kespa to finally do something instead pretending that nothing ever happened.

The fact that at the moment both Kespa and Blizzard are ignoring it is heavily linked with the fact that not enough of the community cares. We only have a burried reddit post and this thread. That is all.

If it would be all over the reddit/twitter it would finally put the officials in the position where they simply had to say something.

But now its explainable why they wont, they are just hoping it all just goes away somehow.