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On February 09 2015 22:45 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 22:33 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:29 Darkhorse wrote:On February 09 2015 22:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:21 Darkhorse wrote:On February 09 2015 22:16 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:01 Darkhorse wrote:On February 09 2015 21:43 sparklyresidue wrote:On February 09 2015 21:39 Naikonz wrote:On February 09 2015 21:37 sparklyresidue wrote:
Guys it's a TV broadcast, it's pretty reasonable in the adult world to expect people to arrive within a certain time frame. Sorry if that rustles anyone's jimmies, I wanted to see the match too, but this is pretty sensible.
Can't set a precedent where it's okay to be late, even if it's your favorite Tawainese/Korean hybrid team led by Bomber himself. This isn't like they got drunk and passed out on the subway. It was an accident. An exceptional event. If I'm late to work because of traffic, it's still my fault, not the road's. edit: Timely example. it's snowing here today, so I'm leaving an extra half hour early to make sure I get to work on time or early. If you read Wax's tweet in the OP it seems that they were literally trapped and unable to move. Dunno how you foresee that And that matters why exactly? Fact is one team didn't show up in time. WHY isn't really important at all. I understand that people here wanted to see the games and are pissed cause it didn't happen, but following the schedule is not "a stupid rule". So you're saying if someone is late the circumstances that make them late do not matter AT ALL Sweet Christ this is stupid Yeah i think you whining about kespa is stupid too, great to agree we both are stupid  It doesn't matter cause the result is that the match can't be played today. It surely isn't JinAir's fault cause they apparently were there on time. Startale wasn't, thus they get dq'ed. It's really simple and the only reasonable thing to do in the end. Or you know award one map to Jin Air for every half hour ST is late. It's really simple and is even more reasonable than the "only reasonable thing to do in the end" It's great to see you have all the inside information, maybe you should schedule spotv games ? You realize that this is a live broadcast? This event would have started at 19:00 KST, you don't think this is already pretty late so the schedule is even more important? Sry but "they should just delay it a bit" is really naive to say, i am sure Kespa (and spotv) know their stuff better than some angry fans in the TL forum On February 09 2015 22:30 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 09 2015 22:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:21 Darkhorse wrote:On February 09 2015 22:16 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:01 Darkhorse wrote:On February 09 2015 21:43 sparklyresidue wrote:On February 09 2015 21:39 Naikonz wrote:On February 09 2015 21:37 sparklyresidue wrote:
Guys it's a TV broadcast, it's pretty reasonable in the adult world to expect people to arrive within a certain time frame. Sorry if that rustles anyone's jimmies, I wanted to see the match too, but this is pretty sensible.
Can't set a precedent where it's okay to be late, even if it's your favorite Tawainese/Korean hybrid team led by Bomber himself. This isn't like they got drunk and passed out on the subway. It was an accident. An exceptional event. If I'm late to work because of traffic, it's still my fault, not the road's. edit: Timely example. it's snowing here today, so I'm leaving an extra half hour early to make sure I get to work on time or early. If you read Wax's tweet in the OP it seems that they were literally trapped and unable to move. Dunno how you foresee that And that matters why exactly? Fact is one team didn't show up in time. WHY isn't really important at all. I understand that people here wanted to see the games and are pissed cause it didn't happen, but following the schedule is not "a stupid rule". So you're saying if someone is late the circumstances that make them late do not matter AT ALL Sweet Christ this is stupid Yeah i think you whining about kespa is stupid too, great to agree we both are stupid It doesn't matter cause the result is that the match can't be played today. It surely isn't JinAir's fault cause they apparently were there on time. Startale wasn't, thus they get dq'ed. It's really simple and the only reasonable thing to do in the end. It's not the only reasonable thing because we still don't know when ST-YF would have made it to the studio. We don't know that it would have taken 5 hours. We don't know that the studio is only booked for 5 hours. This lack of transparency isn't just an annoyance, it is getting in the way of us knowing whether KeSPA is being draconic or not. And there is absolutely precedence for them being pointlessly draconic in their rulings. As i said, i agree about the transparency aspect. But i also think Kespa and Spotv know their stuff better than TL forum posters. It's easy to cry "evil kespa", and people like to do it a lot. So in short, for you, TV broadcast schedule is much more important than the competition itself? This is really what I hate about many people here, how the only thing they care about is that starcraft is "on TV" and "big" and indulge in watching glitter and show and "production" and the greatest thing ever was when BW used to sell out sport arenas. I would really appreciate much more if everyone involved was friendly to everyone else, if it were a group of people who love the game and want to create the best competition. I can't help but wonder if this coveted "growth" really makes anything better at all. Maybe it will be the best times when all of this blows over and there will be just a couple of amateur leagues to watch, where those running them will do it from pure passion and the atmosphere of something good will prevail once again.
No, but it is more important for Kespa and Spotv and i can understand why that is. I also would have loved to see Maru play Life today, but that's pretty unlikely to happen when startale simply doesn't show up.
We don't know if they would be there in the next 30 mins, but i trust Kespa and Spotv to make an informed decision if they could still play the game today (which again, is really the only reasonable option).
Some guys here rather try to make their own theories though, Startale as ex esf team obviously isn't important enough yada yada yada...
It is fine to be emotional about it cause you are passionate, but sometimes the easy explanation is the right one, Startale probably just couldn't get there in the next hour or so...
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Northern Ireland26225 Posts
EGTL got docked a map once if memory serves for being late.
Perhaps it's a cultural thing, but I think what is annoying people most is the lack of any real clear details or rationales behind the decision beyond 'rules are rules' from Kespa. As they serve the Korean scene primarily it's their prerogative to behave in a manner that is accepted by their constituents, but jesus is a less vague announcement, god forbid some kind of press release too much to ask?
Most people here would be OK with a DQ if Startale-Yoe were going to be say, 5 hours late, find it somewhat draconian if it was <1 hour. Aside from trawling Twitter and piecing together things we don't actually know, that's the frustrating part.
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On February 09 2015 23:03 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 22:45 opisska wrote:On February 09 2015 22:33 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:29 Darkhorse wrote:On February 09 2015 22:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:21 Darkhorse wrote:On February 09 2015 22:16 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:01 Darkhorse wrote:On February 09 2015 21:43 sparklyresidue wrote:On February 09 2015 21:39 Naikonz wrote:
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This isn't like they got drunk and passed out on the subway. It was an accident. An exceptional event. If I'm late to work because of traffic, it's still my fault, not the road's. edit: Timely example. it's snowing here today, so I'm leaving an extra half hour early to make sure I get to work on time or early. If you read Wax's tweet in the OP it seems that they were literally trapped and unable to move. Dunno how you foresee that And that matters why exactly? Fact is one team didn't show up in time. WHY isn't really important at all. I understand that people here wanted to see the games and are pissed cause it didn't happen, but following the schedule is not "a stupid rule". So you're saying if someone is late the circumstances that make them late do not matter AT ALL Sweet Christ this is stupid Yeah i think you whining about kespa is stupid too, great to agree we both are stupid It doesn't matter cause the result is that the match can't be played today. It surely isn't JinAir's fault cause they apparently were there on time. Startale wasn't, thus they get dq'ed. It's really simple and the only reasonable thing to do in the end. Or you know award one map to Jin Air for every half hour ST is late. It's really simple and is even more reasonable than the "only reasonable thing to do in the end" It's great to see you have all the inside information, maybe you should schedule spotv games ? You realize that this is a live broadcast? This event would have started at 19:00 KST, you don't think this is already pretty late so the schedule is even more important? Sry but "they should just delay it a bit" is really naive to say, i am sure Kespa (and spotv) know their stuff better than some angry fans in the TL forum On February 09 2015 22:30 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 09 2015 22:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:21 Darkhorse wrote:On February 09 2015 22:16 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:01 Darkhorse wrote:On February 09 2015 21:43 sparklyresidue wrote:On February 09 2015 21:39 Naikonz wrote:
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This isn't like they got drunk and passed out on the subway. It was an accident. An exceptional event. If I'm late to work because of traffic, it's still my fault, not the road's. edit: Timely example. it's snowing here today, so I'm leaving an extra half hour early to make sure I get to work on time or early. If you read Wax's tweet in the OP it seems that they were literally trapped and unable to move. Dunno how you foresee that And that matters why exactly? Fact is one team didn't show up in time. WHY isn't really important at all. I understand that people here wanted to see the games and are pissed cause it didn't happen, but following the schedule is not "a stupid rule". So you're saying if someone is late the circumstances that make them late do not matter AT ALL Sweet Christ this is stupid Yeah i think you whining about kespa is stupid too, great to agree we both are stupid It doesn't matter cause the result is that the match can't be played today. It surely isn't JinAir's fault cause they apparently were there on time. Startale wasn't, thus they get dq'ed. It's really simple and the only reasonable thing to do in the end. It's not the only reasonable thing because we still don't know when ST-YF would have made it to the studio. We don't know that it would have taken 5 hours. We don't know that the studio is only booked for 5 hours. This lack of transparency isn't just an annoyance, it is getting in the way of us knowing whether KeSPA is being draconic or not. And there is absolutely precedence for them being pointlessly draconic in their rulings. As i said, i agree about the transparency aspect. But i also think Kespa and Spotv know their stuff better than TL forum posters. It's easy to cry "evil kespa", and people like to do it a lot. So in short, for you, TV broadcast schedule is much more important than the competition itself? This is really what I hate about many people here, how the only thing they care about is that starcraft is "on TV" and "big" and indulge in watching glitter and show and "production" and the greatest thing ever was when BW used to sell out sport arenas. I would really appreciate much more if everyone involved was friendly to everyone else, if it were a group of people who love the game and want to create the best competition. I can't help but wonder if this coveted "growth" really makes anything better at all. Maybe it will be the best times when all of this blows over and there will be just a couple of amateur leagues to watch, where those running them will do it from pure passion and the atmosphere of something good will prevail once again. No, but it is more important for Kespa and Spotv and i can understand why that is. I also would have loved to see Maru play Life today, but that's pretty unlikely to happen when startale simply doesn't show up. We don't know if they would be there in the next 30 mins, but i trust Kespa and Spotv to make an informed decision if they could still play the game today (which again, is really the only reasonable option). Some guys here rather try to make their own theories though, Startale as ex esf team obviously isn't important enough yada yada yada... It is fine to be emotional about it cause you are passionate, but sometimes the easy explanation is the right one, Startale probably just couldn't get there in the next hour or so...
You still don't understand the point at all, do you? If you are a fan of SC2, you should care first and foremost about the SC2 competition, not about the convenience of some TV broadcaster.
They could have easily played the game on another time and broadcast it just online, or if they don't want to invest resources into that, just publish the results. Anything would be better for the competition than to just write off a team because they were hit by a force of nature.
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There have been late teams.
For being late you lose a map.
Giving JinAir every 30 mins a map would be fair thing, it would not delay a the event into midnight but still give em time and the fans could finally see something.
Going with this "buuuhuuu its a live event" (using red viper quotation mark style) doesnt make sense:
The game is played is called StarCraft, games tend to be arround 5 mins to 2 hours long. Just giving def lose for being late because the shedule becomes problematic is no where an argument, because the games can drag out hours more then a late team.
Also it is no argument, because this "live event" tends to be sheduled for 2-3 hours in the SpoTV shedules for this day. Now they have shown 10 mins preshow and 5 mins "winner interview". What did SpoTV did do the rest? Showing strange interviews with plastic hammers?
Maybe Legend phoned the refs and told em they will come out of the tunnel in 3 hours, so the def lose was the only way to go. But then you should tell it your fans who fucking came trough the snow in to the Nexon Arena to see great games and not the most pathetic winner interview in korean esport.
It is like people pretend KESPA doing everything right because they are KESPA. And people seem to love rules because they common sense is a bad thing.
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On February 09 2015 23:07 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 23:03 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:45 opisska wrote:On February 09 2015 22:33 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:29 Darkhorse wrote:On February 09 2015 22:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:21 Darkhorse wrote:On February 09 2015 22:16 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:01 Darkhorse wrote:On February 09 2015 21:43 sparklyresidue wrote:
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If I'm late to work because of traffic, it's still my fault, not the road's.
edit: Timely example. it's snowing here today, so I'm leaving an extra half hour early to make sure I get to work on time or early. If you read Wax's tweet in the OP it seems that they were literally trapped and unable to move. Dunno how you foresee that And that matters why exactly? Fact is one team didn't show up in time. WHY isn't really important at all. I understand that people here wanted to see the games and are pissed cause it didn't happen, but following the schedule is not "a stupid rule". So you're saying if someone is late the circumstances that make them late do not matter AT ALL Sweet Christ this is stupid Yeah i think you whining about kespa is stupid too, great to agree we both are stupid It doesn't matter cause the result is that the match can't be played today. It surely isn't JinAir's fault cause they apparently were there on time. Startale wasn't, thus they get dq'ed. It's really simple and the only reasonable thing to do in the end. Or you know award one map to Jin Air for every half hour ST is late. It's really simple and is even more reasonable than the "only reasonable thing to do in the end" It's great to see you have all the inside information, maybe you should schedule spotv games ? You realize that this is a live broadcast? This event would have started at 19:00 KST, you don't think this is already pretty late so the schedule is even more important? Sry but "they should just delay it a bit" is really naive to say, i am sure Kespa (and spotv) know their stuff better than some angry fans in the TL forum On February 09 2015 22:30 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 09 2015 22:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:21 Darkhorse wrote:On February 09 2015 22:16 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:01 Darkhorse wrote:On February 09 2015 21:43 sparklyresidue wrote:
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If I'm late to work because of traffic, it's still my fault, not the road's.
edit: Timely example. it's snowing here today, so I'm leaving an extra half hour early to make sure I get to work on time or early. If you read Wax's tweet in the OP it seems that they were literally trapped and unable to move. Dunno how you foresee that And that matters why exactly? Fact is one team didn't show up in time. WHY isn't really important at all. I understand that people here wanted to see the games and are pissed cause it didn't happen, but following the schedule is not "a stupid rule". So you're saying if someone is late the circumstances that make them late do not matter AT ALL Sweet Christ this is stupid Yeah i think you whining about kespa is stupid too, great to agree we both are stupid It doesn't matter cause the result is that the match can't be played today. It surely isn't JinAir's fault cause they apparently were there on time. Startale wasn't, thus they get dq'ed. It's really simple and the only reasonable thing to do in the end. It's not the only reasonable thing because we still don't know when ST-YF would have made it to the studio. We don't know that it would have taken 5 hours. We don't know that the studio is only booked for 5 hours. This lack of transparency isn't just an annoyance, it is getting in the way of us knowing whether KeSPA is being draconic or not. And there is absolutely precedence for them being pointlessly draconic in their rulings. As i said, i agree about the transparency aspect. But i also think Kespa and Spotv know their stuff better than TL forum posters. It's easy to cry "evil kespa", and people like to do it a lot. So in short, for you, TV broadcast schedule is much more important than the competition itself? This is really what I hate about many people here, how the only thing they care about is that starcraft is "on TV" and "big" and indulge in watching glitter and show and "production" and the greatest thing ever was when BW used to sell out sport arenas. I would really appreciate much more if everyone involved was friendly to everyone else, if it were a group of people who love the game and want to create the best competition. I can't help but wonder if this coveted "growth" really makes anything better at all. Maybe it will be the best times when all of this blows over and there will be just a couple of amateur leagues to watch, where those running them will do it from pure passion and the atmosphere of something good will prevail once again. No, but it is more important for Kespa and Spotv and i can understand why that is. I also would have loved to see Maru play Life today, but that's pretty unlikely to happen when startale simply doesn't show up. We don't know if they would be there in the next 30 mins, but i trust Kespa and Spotv to make an informed decision if they could still play the game today (which again, is really the only reasonable option). Some guys here rather try to make their own theories though, Startale as ex esf team obviously isn't important enough yada yada yada... It is fine to be emotional about it cause you are passionate, but sometimes the easy explanation is the right one, Startale probably just couldn't get there in the next hour or so... You still don't understand the point at all, do you? If you are a fan of SC2, you should care first and foremost about the SC2 competition, not about the convenience of some TV broadcaster. They could have easily played the game on another time and broadcast it just online, or if they don't want to invest resources into that, just publish the results. Anything would be better for the competition than to just write off a team because they were hit by a force of nature.
And you don't understand that we don't live in a perfect world, do you?
edit: i am already waiting for the end of proleague when startale doesn't make playoffs cause of this, it will be glorious
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On February 09 2015 23:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 23:07 opisska wrote:On February 09 2015 23:03 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:45 opisska wrote:On February 09 2015 22:33 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:29 Darkhorse wrote:On February 09 2015 22:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:21 Darkhorse wrote:On February 09 2015 22:16 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:01 Darkhorse wrote:
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If you read Wax's tweet in the OP it seems that they were literally trapped and unable to move. Dunno how you foresee that And that matters why exactly? Fact is one team didn't show up in time. WHY isn't really important at all. I understand that people here wanted to see the games and are pissed cause it didn't happen, but following the schedule is not "a stupid rule". So you're saying if someone is late the circumstances that make them late do not matter AT ALL Sweet Christ this is stupid Yeah i think you whining about kespa is stupid too, great to agree we both are stupid It doesn't matter cause the result is that the match can't be played today. It surely isn't JinAir's fault cause they apparently were there on time. Startale wasn't, thus they get dq'ed. It's really simple and the only reasonable thing to do in the end. Or you know award one map to Jin Air for every half hour ST is late. It's really simple and is even more reasonable than the "only reasonable thing to do in the end" It's great to see you have all the inside information, maybe you should schedule spotv games ? You realize that this is a live broadcast? This event would have started at 19:00 KST, you don't think this is already pretty late so the schedule is even more important? Sry but "they should just delay it a bit" is really naive to say, i am sure Kespa (and spotv) know their stuff better than some angry fans in the TL forum On February 09 2015 22:30 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 09 2015 22:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:21 Darkhorse wrote:On February 09 2015 22:16 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:01 Darkhorse wrote:
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If you read Wax's tweet in the OP it seems that they were literally trapped and unable to move. Dunno how you foresee that And that matters why exactly? Fact is one team didn't show up in time. WHY isn't really important at all. I understand that people here wanted to see the games and are pissed cause it didn't happen, but following the schedule is not "a stupid rule". So you're saying if someone is late the circumstances that make them late do not matter AT ALL Sweet Christ this is stupid Yeah i think you whining about kespa is stupid too, great to agree we both are stupid It doesn't matter cause the result is that the match can't be played today. It surely isn't JinAir's fault cause they apparently were there on time. Startale wasn't, thus they get dq'ed. It's really simple and the only reasonable thing to do in the end. It's not the only reasonable thing because we still don't know when ST-YF would have made it to the studio. We don't know that it would have taken 5 hours. We don't know that the studio is only booked for 5 hours. This lack of transparency isn't just an annoyance, it is getting in the way of us knowing whether KeSPA is being draconic or not. And there is absolutely precedence for them being pointlessly draconic in their rulings. As i said, i agree about the transparency aspect. But i also think Kespa and Spotv know their stuff better than TL forum posters. It's easy to cry "evil kespa", and people like to do it a lot. So in short, for you, TV broadcast schedule is much more important than the competition itself? This is really what I hate about many people here, how the only thing they care about is that starcraft is "on TV" and "big" and indulge in watching glitter and show and "production" and the greatest thing ever was when BW used to sell out sport arenas. I would really appreciate much more if everyone involved was friendly to everyone else, if it were a group of people who love the game and want to create the best competition. I can't help but wonder if this coveted "growth" really makes anything better at all. Maybe it will be the best times when all of this blows over and there will be just a couple of amateur leagues to watch, where those running them will do it from pure passion and the atmosphere of something good will prevail once again. No, but it is more important for Kespa and Spotv and i can understand why that is. I also would have loved to see Maru play Life today, but that's pretty unlikely to happen when startale simply doesn't show up. We don't know if they would be there in the next 30 mins, but i trust Kespa and Spotv to make an informed decision if they could still play the game today (which again, is really the only reasonable option). Some guys here rather try to make their own theories though, Startale as ex esf team obviously isn't important enough yada yada yada... It is fine to be emotional about it cause you are passionate, but sometimes the easy explanation is the right one, Startale probably just couldn't get there in the next hour or so... You still don't understand the point at all, do you? If you are a fan of SC2, you should care first and foremost about the SC2 competition, not about the convenience of some TV broadcaster. They could have easily played the game on another time and broadcast it just online, or if they don't want to invest resources into that, just publish the results. Anything would be better for the competition than to just write off a team because they were hit by a force of nature. And you don't understand that we don't live in a perfect world, do you?
Well for sure I don't understand why someone would vigorously defend the imperfections.
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On February 09 2015 23:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 23:07 opisska wrote:On February 09 2015 23:03 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:45 opisska wrote:On February 09 2015 22:33 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:29 Darkhorse wrote:On February 09 2015 22:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:21 Darkhorse wrote:On February 09 2015 22:16 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:01 Darkhorse wrote:
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If you read Wax's tweet in the OP it seems that they were literally trapped and unable to move. Dunno how you foresee that And that matters why exactly? Fact is one team didn't show up in time. WHY isn't really important at all. I understand that people here wanted to see the games and are pissed cause it didn't happen, but following the schedule is not "a stupid rule". So you're saying if someone is late the circumstances that make them late do not matter AT ALL Sweet Christ this is stupid Yeah i think you whining about kespa is stupid too, great to agree we both are stupid It doesn't matter cause the result is that the match can't be played today. It surely isn't JinAir's fault cause they apparently were there on time. Startale wasn't, thus they get dq'ed. It's really simple and the only reasonable thing to do in the end. Or you know award one map to Jin Air for every half hour ST is late. It's really simple and is even more reasonable than the "only reasonable thing to do in the end" It's great to see you have all the inside information, maybe you should schedule spotv games ? You realize that this is a live broadcast? This event would have started at 19:00 KST, you don't think this is already pretty late so the schedule is even more important? Sry but "they should just delay it a bit" is really naive to say, i am sure Kespa (and spotv) know their stuff better than some angry fans in the TL forum On February 09 2015 22:30 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 09 2015 22:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:21 Darkhorse wrote:On February 09 2015 22:16 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:01 Darkhorse wrote:
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If you read Wax's tweet in the OP it seems that they were literally trapped and unable to move. Dunno how you foresee that And that matters why exactly? Fact is one team didn't show up in time. WHY isn't really important at all. I understand that people here wanted to see the games and are pissed cause it didn't happen, but following the schedule is not "a stupid rule". So you're saying if someone is late the circumstances that make them late do not matter AT ALL Sweet Christ this is stupid Yeah i think you whining about kespa is stupid too, great to agree we both are stupid It doesn't matter cause the result is that the match can't be played today. It surely isn't JinAir's fault cause they apparently were there on time. Startale wasn't, thus they get dq'ed. It's really simple and the only reasonable thing to do in the end. It's not the only reasonable thing because we still don't know when ST-YF would have made it to the studio. We don't know that it would have taken 5 hours. We don't know that the studio is only booked for 5 hours. This lack of transparency isn't just an annoyance, it is getting in the way of us knowing whether KeSPA is being draconic or not. And there is absolutely precedence for them being pointlessly draconic in their rulings. As i said, i agree about the transparency aspect. But i also think Kespa and Spotv know their stuff better than TL forum posters. It's easy to cry "evil kespa", and people like to do it a lot. So in short, for you, TV broadcast schedule is much more important than the competition itself? This is really what I hate about many people here, how the only thing they care about is that starcraft is "on TV" and "big" and indulge in watching glitter and show and "production" and the greatest thing ever was when BW used to sell out sport arenas. I would really appreciate much more if everyone involved was friendly to everyone else, if it were a group of people who love the game and want to create the best competition. I can't help but wonder if this coveted "growth" really makes anything better at all. Maybe it will be the best times when all of this blows over and there will be just a couple of amateur leagues to watch, where those running them will do it from pure passion and the atmosphere of something good will prevail once again. No, but it is more important for Kespa and Spotv and i can understand why that is. I also would have loved to see Maru play Life today, but that's pretty unlikely to happen when startale simply doesn't show up. We don't know if they would be there in the next 30 mins, but i trust Kespa and Spotv to make an informed decision if they could still play the game today (which again, is really the only reasonable option). Some guys here rather try to make their own theories though, Startale as ex esf team obviously isn't important enough yada yada yada... It is fine to be emotional about it cause you are passionate, but sometimes the easy explanation is the right one, Startale probably just couldn't get there in the next hour or so... You still don't understand the point at all, do you? If you are a fan of SC2, you should care first and foremost about the SC2 competition, not about the convenience of some TV broadcaster. They could have easily played the game on another time and broadcast it just online, or if they don't want to invest resources into that, just publish the results. Anything would be better for the competition than to just write off a team because they were hit by a force of nature. And you don't understand that we don't live in a perfect world, do you? edit: i am already waiting for the end of proleague when startale doesn't make playoffs cause of this, it will be glorious
So "we don't live in a perfect world" in your mind translates to ST can go get fucked, fans can get fucked, and KeSPA is immune from criticism?
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On February 09 2015 23:07 Clonester wrote:
There have been late teams.
For being late you lose a map.
Giving JinAir every 30 mins a map would be fair thing, it would not delay a the event into midnight but still give em time and the fans could finally see something.
Going with this "buuuhuuu its a live event" (using red viper quotation mark style) doesnt make sense:
The game is played is called StarCraft, games tend to be arround 5 mins to 2 hours long. Just giving def lose for being late because the shedule becomes problematic is no where an argument, because the games can drag out hours more then a late team.
Also it is no argument, because this "live event" tends to be sheduled for 2-3 hours in the SpoTV shedules for this day. Now they have shown 10 mins preshow and 5 mins "winner interview". What did SpoTV did do the rest? Showing strange interviews with plastic hammers?
Maybe Legend phoned the refs and told em they will come out of the tunnel in 3 hours, so the def lose was the only way to go. But then you should tell it your fans who fucking came trough the snow in to the Nexon Arena to see great games and not the most pathetic winner interview in korean esport.
It is like people pretend KESPA doing everything right because they are KESPA. And people seem to love rules because they common sense is a bad thing.
Yeah a lot of people pretend that Kespa does the right thing, the circlejerk definitely is headed in that direction here 
I still agree with the transparency concerns, but i also still think it is more reasonable to assume that Startale couldn't make it then it is that Kespa doesn't like ex esf teams and loves to show them exactly that.
Just giving def lose for being late because the shedule becomes problematic is no where an argument, because the games can drag out hours more then a late team.
Oh so cause it still could get worse in a best case scenario (starts on time), you should go for a worst case scenario (starts late) cause the games could all be 5 mins long and thus you wouldn't delay anything?
Seams reasonable.
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Oh my, that sucks. Well bad luck I guess, but KeSPA aren't the bad guys here.
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On February 09 2015 23:03 Veluvian wrote:
That's not fair... :/ What should they use next time to avoid traffic/weather problems? OVERLORDS?
San could have Blinked
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OH, GOD DAMN IT!
was really looking forward to watching this later today during lunch :/
feel so bad for ST. They had a great round and had a good chance of taking that match.
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On February 09 2015 23:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 23:07 opisska wrote:On February 09 2015 23:03 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:45 opisska wrote:On February 09 2015 22:33 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:29 Darkhorse wrote:On February 09 2015 22:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:21 Darkhorse wrote:On February 09 2015 22:16 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:01 Darkhorse wrote:
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If you read Wax's tweet in the OP it seems that they were literally trapped and unable to move. Dunno how you foresee that And that matters why exactly? Fact is one team didn't show up in time. WHY isn't really important at all. I understand that people here wanted to see the games and are pissed cause it didn't happen, but following the schedule is not "a stupid rule". So you're saying if someone is late the circumstances that make them late do not matter AT ALL Sweet Christ this is stupid Yeah i think you whining about kespa is stupid too, great to agree we both are stupid It doesn't matter cause the result is that the match can't be played today. It surely isn't JinAir's fault cause they apparently were there on time. Startale wasn't, thus they get dq'ed. It's really simple and the only reasonable thing to do in the end. Or you know award one map to Jin Air for every half hour ST is late. It's really simple and is even more reasonable than the "only reasonable thing to do in the end" It's great to see you have all the inside information, maybe you should schedule spotv games ? You realize that this is a live broadcast? This event would have started at 19:00 KST, you don't think this is already pretty late so the schedule is even more important? Sry but "they should just delay it a bit" is really naive to say, i am sure Kespa (and spotv) know their stuff better than some angry fans in the TL forum On February 09 2015 22:30 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 09 2015 22:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:21 Darkhorse wrote:On February 09 2015 22:16 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:01 Darkhorse wrote:
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If you read Wax's tweet in the OP it seems that they were literally trapped and unable to move. Dunno how you foresee that And that matters why exactly? Fact is one team didn't show up in time. WHY isn't really important at all. I understand that people here wanted to see the games and are pissed cause it didn't happen, but following the schedule is not "a stupid rule". So you're saying if someone is late the circumstances that make them late do not matter AT ALL Sweet Christ this is stupid Yeah i think you whining about kespa is stupid too, great to agree we both are stupid It doesn't matter cause the result is that the match can't be played today. It surely isn't JinAir's fault cause they apparently were there on time. Startale wasn't, thus they get dq'ed. It's really simple and the only reasonable thing to do in the end. It's not the only reasonable thing because we still don't know when ST-YF would have made it to the studio. We don't know that it would have taken 5 hours. We don't know that the studio is only booked for 5 hours. This lack of transparency isn't just an annoyance, it is getting in the way of us knowing whether KeSPA is being draconic or not. And there is absolutely precedence for them being pointlessly draconic in their rulings. As i said, i agree about the transparency aspect. But i also think Kespa and Spotv know their stuff better than TL forum posters. It's easy to cry "evil kespa", and people like to do it a lot. So in short, for you, TV broadcast schedule is much more important than the competition itself? This is really what I hate about many people here, how the only thing they care about is that starcraft is "on TV" and "big" and indulge in watching glitter and show and "production" and the greatest thing ever was when BW used to sell out sport arenas. I would really appreciate much more if everyone involved was friendly to everyone else, if it were a group of people who love the game and want to create the best competition. I can't help but wonder if this coveted "growth" really makes anything better at all. Maybe it will be the best times when all of this blows over and there will be just a couple of amateur leagues to watch, where those running them will do it from pure passion and the atmosphere of something good will prevail once again. No, but it is more important for Kespa and Spotv and i can understand why that is. I also would have loved to see Maru play Life today, but that's pretty unlikely to happen when startale simply doesn't show up. We don't know if they would be there in the next 30 mins, but i trust Kespa and Spotv to make an informed decision if they could still play the game today (which again, is really the only reasonable option). Some guys here rather try to make their own theories though, Startale as ex esf team obviously isn't important enough yada yada yada... It is fine to be emotional about it cause you are passionate, but sometimes the easy explanation is the right one, Startale probably just couldn't get there in the next hour or so... You still don't understand the point at all, do you? If you are a fan of SC2, you should care first and foremost about the SC2 competition, not about the convenience of some TV broadcaster. They could have easily played the game on another time and broadcast it just online, or if they don't want to invest resources into that, just publish the results. Anything would be better for the competition than to just write off a team because they were hit by a force of nature. And you don't understand that we don't live in a perfect world, do you? edit: i am already waiting for the end of proleague when startale doesn't make playoffs cause of this, it will be glorious
he lives in a world where illegal betting funding tournament isn't a big thing so he knows it isn't a perfect world since it doesn't curb to fit his desires.
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On February 09 2015 22:15 jellyjello wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 22:10 Darkhorse wrote:On February 09 2015 22:07 jellyjello wrote:
Yes, bend the rules only when it benefits me and my interests!! After all, this is e-sports and we should be able to do whatever we please, because we demand it!
Never mind the fact that it is supposed to be a live broadcast. One team managed to make it in time, all the spectators were there in time, but let's blame the traffic and snow because we are the e-sports mob.
Stupidity on this forum always seems to reach a new height. Yes because live esports events have never been delayed for anything or anyone! You are right, so let's delay the game until the delinquent team shows up - could be today or tomorrow, but delay it at all costs because we could careless about everything else but to watch these two teams duke it out. Nothing could be more important, right?
I hope you get shit the next time you're late for work or school due to weather conditions. Sure leaving early would have helped but that doesn't guarantee they would have arrived on time either.
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On February 09 2015 23:17 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 23:07 Clonester wrote:
There have been late teams.
For being late you lose a map.
Giving JinAir every 30 mins a map would be fair thing, it would not delay a the event into midnight but still give em time and the fans could finally see something.
Going with this "buuuhuuu its a live event" (using red viper quotation mark style) doesnt make sense:
The game is played is called StarCraft, games tend to be arround 5 mins to 2 hours long. Just giving def lose for being late because the shedule becomes problematic is no where an argument, because the games can drag out hours more then a late team.
Also it is no argument, because this "live event" tends to be sheduled for 2-3 hours in the SpoTV shedules for this day. Now they have shown 10 mins preshow and 5 mins "winner interview". What did SpoTV did do the rest? Showing strange interviews with plastic hammers?
Maybe Legend phoned the refs and told em they will come out of the tunnel in 3 hours, so the def lose was the only way to go. But then you should tell it your fans who fucking came trough the snow in to the Nexon Arena to see great games and not the most pathetic winner interview in korean esport.
It is like people pretend KESPA doing everything right because they are KESPA. And people seem to love rules because they common sense is a bad thing. Yeah a lot of people pretend that Kespa does the right thing, the circlejerk definitely is headed in that direction here I still agree with the transparency concerns, but i also still think it is more reasonable to assume that Startale couldn't make it then it is that Kespa doesn't like ex esf teams and loves to show them exactly that. Show nested quote +Just giving def lose for being late because the shedule becomes problematic is no where an argument, because the games can drag out hours more then a late team. Oh so cause it still could get worse in a best case scenario (starts on time), you should go for a worst case scenario (starts late) cause the games could all be 5 mins long and thus you wouldn't delay anything? Seams reasonable.
You still dont want to accept the point in giving def maps per time. You just dont read it or just dont accept it. If you use def maps per lost time (1 map per 30 mins ), the not so good case scenario (starting late) would never happen. After 2 hours JinAir would have 4-0. But if ST-Yoe would be 1 hour late, it would be 2-0 for ST-Yoe and fans would still see some action.
The worst case scenario is still not starting late but not starting, giving fans out at the monitors and in the Nexon Arena the amazing 5 minute show they made to show their high production value.
And when ST-Yoe told em they cant show up at all or will be late so hard that they have to sleep in the tunnel, then KESPA should fucking tell it to the people. Else they deserve standing in the shoots that are fired from SC II fans.
And when it comes to rules for players who belong to KESPA holders (Jin Air, SKT1, KT, SGK and CJ in SC II), Kespa has often been more leniend to their players/teams then to players/teams who just were part in their product to fill open competeter spots. SSL Qualification anyone?
Maybe you just must be slaped by your boss when you had to stay in front of a car crash on a highway for hours and he will just tell you: Why didnt you sleep in your buro?
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On February 09 2015 23:10 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 23:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 23:07 opisska wrote:On February 09 2015 23:03 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:45 opisska wrote:On February 09 2015 22:33 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:29 Darkhorse wrote:On February 09 2015 22:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:21 Darkhorse wrote:On February 09 2015 22:16 The_Red_Viper wrote:
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And that matters why exactly?
Fact is one team didn't show up in time. WHY isn't really important at all.
I understand that people here wanted to see the games and are pissed cause it didn't happen, but following the schedule is not "a stupid rule".
So you're saying if someone is late the circumstances that make them late do not matter AT ALL Sweet Christ this is stupid Yeah i think you whining about kespa is stupid too, great to agree we both are stupid It doesn't matter cause the result is that the match can't be played today. It surely isn't JinAir's fault cause they apparently were there on time. Startale wasn't, thus they get dq'ed. It's really simple and the only reasonable thing to do in the end. Or you know award one map to Jin Air for every half hour ST is late. It's really simple and is even more reasonable than the "only reasonable thing to do in the end" It's great to see you have all the inside information, maybe you should schedule spotv games ? You realize that this is a live broadcast? This event would have started at 19:00 KST, you don't think this is already pretty late so the schedule is even more important? Sry but "they should just delay it a bit" is really naive to say, i am sure Kespa (and spotv) know their stuff better than some angry fans in the TL forum On February 09 2015 22:30 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 09 2015 22:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:21 Darkhorse wrote:On February 09 2015 22:16 The_Red_Viper wrote:
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And that matters why exactly?
Fact is one team didn't show up in time. WHY isn't really important at all.
I understand that people here wanted to see the games and are pissed cause it didn't happen, but following the schedule is not "a stupid rule".
So you're saying if someone is late the circumstances that make them late do not matter AT ALL Sweet Christ this is stupid Yeah i think you whining about kespa is stupid too, great to agree we both are stupid It doesn't matter cause the result is that the match can't be played today. It surely isn't JinAir's fault cause they apparently were there on time. Startale wasn't, thus they get dq'ed. It's really simple and the only reasonable thing to do in the end. It's not the only reasonable thing because we still don't know when ST-YF would have made it to the studio. We don't know that it would have taken 5 hours. We don't know that the studio is only booked for 5 hours. This lack of transparency isn't just an annoyance, it is getting in the way of us knowing whether KeSPA is being draconic or not. And there is absolutely precedence for them being pointlessly draconic in their rulings. As i said, i agree about the transparency aspect. But i also think Kespa and Spotv know their stuff better than TL forum posters. It's easy to cry "evil kespa", and people like to do it a lot. So in short, for you, TV broadcast schedule is much more important than the competition itself? This is really what I hate about many people here, how the only thing they care about is that starcraft is "on TV" and "big" and indulge in watching glitter and show and "production" and the greatest thing ever was when BW used to sell out sport arenas. I would really appreciate much more if everyone involved was friendly to everyone else, if it were a group of people who love the game and want to create the best competition. I can't help but wonder if this coveted "growth" really makes anything better at all. Maybe it will be the best times when all of this blows over and there will be just a couple of amateur leagues to watch, where those running them will do it from pure passion and the atmosphere of something good will prevail once again. No, but it is more important for Kespa and Spotv and i can understand why that is. I also would have loved to see Maru play Life today, but that's pretty unlikely to happen when startale simply doesn't show up. We don't know if they would be there in the next 30 mins, but i trust Kespa and Spotv to make an informed decision if they could still play the game today (which again, is really the only reasonable option). Some guys here rather try to make their own theories though, Startale as ex esf team obviously isn't important enough yada yada yada... It is fine to be emotional about it cause you are passionate, but sometimes the easy explanation is the right one, Startale probably just couldn't get there in the next hour or so... You still don't understand the point at all, do you? If you are a fan of SC2, you should care first and foremost about the SC2 competition, not about the convenience of some TV broadcaster. They could have easily played the game on another time and broadcast it just online, or if they don't want to invest resources into that, just publish the results. Anything would be better for the competition than to just write off a team because they were hit by a force of nature. And you don't understand that we don't live in a perfect world, do you? Well for sure I don't understand why someone would vigorously defend the imperfections.
I guess it is better to pretend that there are no limiting factors? In a perfect world startale would play jinair even 5 hours from now i guess. The winning team wouldn't have a disadvantage tomorrow obviously, cause people don't need to sleep in that utopia. yada yada yada (yes i know this is childish, but so are a lot of the romantic expectations here)
On February 09 2015 23:14 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 23:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 23:07 opisska wrote:On February 09 2015 23:03 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:45 opisska wrote:On February 09 2015 22:33 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:29 Darkhorse wrote:On February 09 2015 22:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:21 Darkhorse wrote:On February 09 2015 22:16 The_Red_Viper wrote:
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And that matters why exactly?
Fact is one team didn't show up in time. WHY isn't really important at all.
I understand that people here wanted to see the games and are pissed cause it didn't happen, but following the schedule is not "a stupid rule".
So you're saying if someone is late the circumstances that make them late do not matter AT ALL Sweet Christ this is stupid Yeah i think you whining about kespa is stupid too, great to agree we both are stupid It doesn't matter cause the result is that the match can't be played today. It surely isn't JinAir's fault cause they apparently were there on time. Startale wasn't, thus they get dq'ed. It's really simple and the only reasonable thing to do in the end. Or you know award one map to Jin Air for every half hour ST is late. It's really simple and is even more reasonable than the "only reasonable thing to do in the end" It's great to see you have all the inside information, maybe you should schedule spotv games ? You realize that this is a live broadcast? This event would have started at 19:00 KST, you don't think this is already pretty late so the schedule is even more important? Sry but "they should just delay it a bit" is really naive to say, i am sure Kespa (and spotv) know their stuff better than some angry fans in the TL forum On February 09 2015 22:30 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 09 2015 22:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:21 Darkhorse wrote:On February 09 2015 22:16 The_Red_Viper wrote:
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And that matters why exactly?
Fact is one team didn't show up in time. WHY isn't really important at all.
I understand that people here wanted to see the games and are pissed cause it didn't happen, but following the schedule is not "a stupid rule".
So you're saying if someone is late the circumstances that make them late do not matter AT ALL Sweet Christ this is stupid Yeah i think you whining about kespa is stupid too, great to agree we both are stupid It doesn't matter cause the result is that the match can't be played today. It surely isn't JinAir's fault cause they apparently were there on time. Startale wasn't, thus they get dq'ed. It's really simple and the only reasonable thing to do in the end. It's not the only reasonable thing because we still don't know when ST-YF would have made it to the studio. We don't know that it would have taken 5 hours. We don't know that the studio is only booked for 5 hours. This lack of transparency isn't just an annoyance, it is getting in the way of us knowing whether KeSPA is being draconic or not. And there is absolutely precedence for them being pointlessly draconic in their rulings. As i said, i agree about the transparency aspect. But i also think Kespa and Spotv know their stuff better than TL forum posters. It's easy to cry "evil kespa", and people like to do it a lot. So in short, for you, TV broadcast schedule is much more important than the competition itself? This is really what I hate about many people here, how the only thing they care about is that starcraft is "on TV" and "big" and indulge in watching glitter and show and "production" and the greatest thing ever was when BW used to sell out sport arenas. I would really appreciate much more if everyone involved was friendly to everyone else, if it were a group of people who love the game and want to create the best competition. I can't help but wonder if this coveted "growth" really makes anything better at all. Maybe it will be the best times when all of this blows over and there will be just a couple of amateur leagues to watch, where those running them will do it from pure passion and the atmosphere of something good will prevail once again. No, but it is more important for Kespa and Spotv and i can understand why that is. I also would have loved to see Maru play Life today, but that's pretty unlikely to happen when startale simply doesn't show up. We don't know if they would be there in the next 30 mins, but i trust Kespa and Spotv to make an informed decision if they could still play the game today (which again, is really the only reasonable option). Some guys here rather try to make their own theories though, Startale as ex esf team obviously isn't important enough yada yada yada... It is fine to be emotional about it cause you are passionate, but sometimes the easy explanation is the right one, Startale probably just couldn't get there in the next hour or so... You still don't understand the point at all, do you? If you are a fan of SC2, you should care first and foremost about the SC2 competition, not about the convenience of some TV broadcaster. They could have easily played the game on another time and broadcast it just online, or if they don't want to invest resources into that, just publish the results. Anything would be better for the competition than to just write off a team because they were hit by a force of nature. And you don't understand that we don't live in a perfect world, do you? edit: i am already waiting for the end of proleague when startale doesn't make playoffs cause of this, it will be glorious So "we don't live in a perfect world" in your mind translates to ST can go get fucked, fans can get fucked, and KeSPA is immune from criticism?
ST can get fucked if they don't follow the rules, yes. The fans didn't get fucked, they would get fucked if they had to stay there for an uncertain amount of time and then the games wouldn't happen regardless. This way they at least could get home in time. Kespa isn't immune to criticism, i already stated that they should be more open about the details.
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On February 09 2015 22:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 22:39 Darkhorse wrote:On February 09 2015 22:33 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:29 Darkhorse wrote:On February 09 2015 22:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:21 Darkhorse wrote:On February 09 2015 22:16 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:01 Darkhorse wrote:On February 09 2015 21:43 sparklyresidue wrote:On February 09 2015 21:39 Naikonz wrote:
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This isn't like they got drunk and passed out on the subway. It was an accident. An exceptional event. If I'm late to work because of traffic, it's still my fault, not the road's. edit: Timely example. it's snowing here today, so I'm leaving an extra half hour early to make sure I get to work on time or early. If you read Wax's tweet in the OP it seems that they were literally trapped and unable to move. Dunno how you foresee that And that matters why exactly? Fact is one team didn't show up in time. WHY isn't really important at all. I understand that people here wanted to see the games and are pissed cause it didn't happen, but following the schedule is not "a stupid rule". So you're saying if someone is late the circumstances that make them late do not matter AT ALL Sweet Christ this is stupid Yeah i think you whining about kespa is stupid too, great to agree we both are stupid It doesn't matter cause the result is that the match can't be played today. It surely isn't JinAir's fault cause they apparently were there on time. Startale wasn't, thus they get dq'ed. It's really simple and the only reasonable thing to do in the end. Or you know award one map to Jin Air for every half hour ST is late. It's really simple and is even more reasonable than the "only reasonable thing to do in the end" It's great to see you have all the inside information, maybe you should schedule spotv games ? You realize that this is a live broadcast? This event would have started at 19:00 KST, you don't think this is already pretty late so the schedule is even more important? Sry but "they should just delay it a bit" is really naive to say, i am sure Kespa (and spotv) know their stuff better than some angry fans in the TL forum Ok so your first sentence is bullshit stalling because you don't have a counterpoint. I do realize it's a live event. Dunno how this has any bearing on what I just said You put words in quotes that I didn't say. Quotation marks are for quoting things not random bullshit conjectures that you make. Then you call whichever mystery person said that quote "naive" but I feel ok about that because I didn't say it. Explain to me again how one map awarded to Jin Air for every half hour late delays jack shit Yeah arguing with you never works, that's why i won't anymore, always the same... Also quotation marks aren't only used for direct quotation, but that isn't really the point (even though you try really hard) Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 22:39 Big J wrote:On February 09 2015 22:33 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:29 Darkhorse wrote:On February 09 2015 22:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:21 Darkhorse wrote:On February 09 2015 22:16 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 22:01 Darkhorse wrote:On February 09 2015 21:43 sparklyresidue wrote:On February 09 2015 21:39 Naikonz wrote:
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This isn't like they got drunk and passed out on the subway. It was an accident. An exceptional event. If I'm late to work because of traffic, it's still my fault, not the road's. edit: Timely example. it's snowing here today, so I'm leaving an extra half hour early to make sure I get to work on time or early. If you read Wax's tweet in the OP it seems that they were literally trapped and unable to move. Dunno how you foresee that And that matters why exactly? Fact is one team didn't show up in time. WHY isn't really important at all. I understand that people here wanted to see the games and are pissed cause it didn't happen, but following the schedule is not "a stupid rule". So you're saying if someone is late the circumstances that make them late do not matter AT ALL Sweet Christ this is stupid Yeah i think you whining about kespa is stupid too, great to agree we both are stupid It doesn't matter cause the result is that the match can't be played today. It surely isn't JinAir's fault cause they apparently were there on time. Startale wasn't, thus they get dq'ed. It's really simple and the only reasonable thing to do in the end. Or you know award one map to Jin Air for every half hour ST is late. It's really simple and is even more reasonable than the "only reasonable thing to do in the end" It's great to see you have all the inside information, maybe you should schedule spotv games ? You realize that this is a live broadcast? This event would have started at 19:00 KST, you don't think this is already pretty late so the schedule is even more important? Sry but "they should just delay it a bit" is really naive to say, i am sure Kespa (and spotv) know their stuff better than some angry fans in the TL forum If it is reasonable to postpone Champions League matches once in a while due to unexpected circumstances, I'm pretty sure there would be a way to postpone a Starcraft match. This is really just overly strict Kespa ruling. The rules are the rules I guess, but maybe they should think about changing them when they are stupid. And given that there was some referee decision involved that could have gone the other way, it is quite understandable why people (including me) are upset. People are upset cause they don't care if it runs an hour later. They simply aren't affected as much as spotv (and kespa). If starcraft would be the number one event on spotv and they would expect huge viewer rating i am sure rescheduling would have been an option, but that's apparently not the world we live in right now. So you either accept the rules (i don't think they are stupid at all), or you make a fuss about it and call Kespa evil. And yeah Kespa is so so evil, trying their hardest to make sc2 work in korea. Rules are always stupid when you are the one they are enforced upon...
I think you won't argue any more because you have still yet to counter my point from five posts ago. You made up a point to counter, I pointed that out, and now you think I'm too mean to argue with. 10/10
I think there are plenty of people on this site who can attest to the fact that my views can be changed by good arguments. You however have yet to provide any. But keep deflecting
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Kespa being Kespa 
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The term must be in their handbook for at least the duration of this round/season. Judge KeSPA however you like but rules simply cannot be changed midway
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Very unfortunate occurrence, and, unfortunately, not unfair.
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On February 09 2015 23:26 Clonester wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 23:17 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2015 23:07 Clonester wrote:
There have been late teams.
For being late you lose a map.
Giving JinAir every 30 mins a map would be fair thing, it would not delay a the event into midnight but still give em time and the fans could finally see something.
Going with this "buuuhuuu its a live event" (using red viper quotation mark style) doesnt make sense:
The game is played is called StarCraft, games tend to be arround 5 mins to 2 hours long. Just giving def lose for being late because the shedule becomes problematic is no where an argument, because the games can drag out hours more then a late team.
Also it is no argument, because this "live event" tends to be sheduled for 2-3 hours in the SpoTV shedules for this day. Now they have shown 10 mins preshow and 5 mins "winner interview". What did SpoTV did do the rest? Showing strange interviews with plastic hammers?
Maybe Legend phoned the refs and told em they will come out of the tunnel in 3 hours, so the def lose was the only way to go. But then you should tell it your fans who fucking came trough the snow in to the Nexon Arena to see great games and not the most pathetic winner interview in korean esport.
It is like people pretend KESPA doing everything right because they are KESPA. And people seem to love rules because they common sense is a bad thing. Yeah a lot of people pretend that Kespa does the right thing, the circlejerk definitely is headed in that direction here I still agree with the transparency concerns, but i also still think it is more reasonable to assume that Startale couldn't make it then it is that Kespa doesn't like ex esf teams and loves to show them exactly that. Just giving def lose for being late because the shedule becomes problematic is no where an argument, because the games can drag out hours more then a late team. Oh so cause it still could get worse in a best case scenario (starts on time), you should go for a worst case scenario (starts late) cause the games could all be 5 mins long and thus you wouldn't delay anything? Seams reasonable. You still dont want to accept the point in giving def maps per time. You just dont read it or just dont accept it. If you use def maps per lost time (1 map per 30 mins ), the not so good case scenario (starting late) would never happen. After 2 hours JinAir would have 4-0. But if ST-Yoe would be 1 hour late, it would be 2-0 for ST-Yoe and fans would still see some action. The worst case scenario is still not starting late but not starting, giving fans out at the monitors and in the Nexon Arena the amazing 5 minute show they made to show their high production value. And when ST-Yoe told em they cant show up at all or will be late so hard that they have to sleep in the tunnel, then KESPA should fucking tell it to the people. Else they deserve standing in the shoots that are fired from SC II fans. And when it comes to rules for players who belong to KESPA holders (Jin Air, SKT1, KT, SGK and CJ in SC II), Kespa has often been more leniend to their players/teams then to players/teams who just were part in their product to fill open competeter spots. SSL Qualification anyone? Maybe you just must be slaped by your boss when you had to stay in front of a car crash on a highway for hours and he will just tell you: Why didnt you sleep in your buro?
I mean this would be somewhat ok if there was a chance startale actually could show up in the next hour or so.
Right now we only can assume that this might have been the case though. I would like to believe this wasn't really a thing, other people here probably think Startale could have made it in the next 10 minutes though ^^
SSL Qualification anyone? I guess you think about creator here? I am not sure about the details anymore, but iirc creator was late and didn't call anyone before, Jinair did?
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