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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
February 09 2015 13:26 GMT
#101
On February 09 2015 22:21 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 22:16 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:01 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 09 2015 21:43 sparklyresidue wrote:
On February 09 2015 21:39 Naikonz wrote:
On February 09 2015 21:37 sparklyresidue wrote:
Guys it's a TV broadcast, it's pretty reasonable in the adult world to expect people to arrive within a certain time frame. Sorry if that rustles anyone's jimmies, I wanted to see the match too, but this is pretty sensible.

Can't set a precedent where it's okay to be late, even if it's your favorite Tawainese/Korean hybrid team led by Bomber himself.


This isn't like they got drunk and passed out on the subway. It was an accident. An exceptional event.

If I'm late to work because of traffic, it's still my fault, not the road's.

edit: Timely example. it's snowing here today, so I'm leaving an extra half hour early to make sure I get to work on time or early.

If you read Wax's tweet in the OP it seems that they were literally trapped and unable to move. Dunno how you foresee that

And that matters why exactly?
Fact is one team didn't show up in time. WHY isn't really important at all.
I understand that people here wanted to see the games and are pissed cause it didn't happen, but following the schedule is not "a stupid rule".

So you're saying if someone is late the circumstances that make them late do not matter AT ALL

Sweet Christ this is stupid

Yeah i think you whining about kespa is stupid too, great to agree we both are stupid
It doesn't matter cause the result is that the match can't be played today. It surely isn't JinAir's fault cause they apparently were there on time. Startale wasn't, thus they get dq'ed. It's really simple and the only reasonable thing to do in the end.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
SFDuality
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1318 Posts
February 09 2015 13:27 GMT
#102
This sucks so much.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 09 2015 13:29 GMT
#103
On February 09 2015 22:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 22:21 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:16 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:01 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 09 2015 21:43 sparklyresidue wrote:
On February 09 2015 21:39 Naikonz wrote:
On February 09 2015 21:37 sparklyresidue wrote:
Guys it's a TV broadcast, it's pretty reasonable in the adult world to expect people to arrive within a certain time frame. Sorry if that rustles anyone's jimmies, I wanted to see the match too, but this is pretty sensible.

Can't set a precedent where it's okay to be late, even if it's your favorite Tawainese/Korean hybrid team led by Bomber himself.


This isn't like they got drunk and passed out on the subway. It was an accident. An exceptional event.

If I'm late to work because of traffic, it's still my fault, not the road's.

edit: Timely example. it's snowing here today, so I'm leaving an extra half hour early to make sure I get to work on time or early.

If you read Wax's tweet in the OP it seems that they were literally trapped and unable to move. Dunno how you foresee that

And that matters why exactly?
Fact is one team didn't show up in time. WHY isn't really important at all.
I understand that people here wanted to see the games and are pissed cause it didn't happen, but following the schedule is not "a stupid rule".

So you're saying if someone is late the circumstances that make them late do not matter AT ALL

Sweet Christ this is stupid

Yeah i think you whining about kespa is stupid too, great to agree we both are stupid
It doesn't matter cause the result is that the match can't be played today. It surely isn't JinAir's fault cause they apparently were there on time. Startale wasn't, thus they get dq'ed. It's really simple and the only reasonable thing to do in the end.

Or you know award one map to Jin Air for every half hour ST is late. It's really simple and is even more reasonable than the "only reasonable thing to do in the end"
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
February 09 2015 13:29 GMT
#104
On February 09 2015 22:23 pure.Wasted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 22:16 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:01 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 09 2015 21:43 sparklyresidue wrote:
On February 09 2015 21:39 Naikonz wrote:
On February 09 2015 21:37 sparklyresidue wrote:
Guys it's a TV broadcast, it's pretty reasonable in the adult world to expect people to arrive within a certain time frame. Sorry if that rustles anyone's jimmies, I wanted to see the match too, but this is pretty sensible.

Can't set a precedent where it's okay to be late, even if it's your favorite Tawainese/Korean hybrid team led by Bomber himself.


This isn't like they got drunk and passed out on the subway. It was an accident. An exceptional event.

If I'm late to work because of traffic, it's still my fault, not the road's.

edit: Timely example. it's snowing here today, so I'm leaving an extra half hour early to make sure I get to work on time or early.

If you read Wax's tweet in the OP it seems that they were literally trapped and unable to move. Dunno how you foresee that

And that matters why exactly?
Fact is one team didn't show up in time. WHY isn't really important at all.
I understand that people here wanted to see the games and are pissed cause it didn't happen, but following the schedule is not "a stupid rule".


It matters because "integrity of competition" isn't a measurable fact, it's a subjective perception. And right now, the majority of viewers - not to mention flabbergasted Korean players, if their tweets are any indication - subjectively perceive the integrity of the playoffs to have been compromised.

Whether KeSPA will care is up to them.

The integrity would only be harmed if Jinair was late as well and Startale would be dq'ed. Or if tomorrow this happens again but they wait. Otherwise there is nothign wrong and people who think otherwise are probably just butthurt their team didn't get "the chance to play". Which is completely wrong
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
February 09 2015 13:30 GMT
#105
On February 09 2015 22:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 22:21 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:16 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:01 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 09 2015 21:43 sparklyresidue wrote:
On February 09 2015 21:39 Naikonz wrote:
On February 09 2015 21:37 sparklyresidue wrote:
Guys it's a TV broadcast, it's pretty reasonable in the adult world to expect people to arrive within a certain time frame. Sorry if that rustles anyone's jimmies, I wanted to see the match too, but this is pretty sensible.

Can't set a precedent where it's okay to be late, even if it's your favorite Tawainese/Korean hybrid team led by Bomber himself.


This isn't like they got drunk and passed out on the subway. It was an accident. An exceptional event.

If I'm late to work because of traffic, it's still my fault, not the road's.

edit: Timely example. it's snowing here today, so I'm leaving an extra half hour early to make sure I get to work on time or early.

If you read Wax's tweet in the OP it seems that they were literally trapped and unable to move. Dunno how you foresee that

And that matters why exactly?
Fact is one team didn't show up in time. WHY isn't really important at all.
I understand that people here wanted to see the games and are pissed cause it didn't happen, but following the schedule is not "a stupid rule".

So you're saying if someone is late the circumstances that make them late do not matter AT ALL

Sweet Christ this is stupid

Yeah i think you whining about kespa is stupid too, great to agree we both are stupid
It doesn't matter cause the result is that the match can't be played today. It surely isn't JinAir's fault cause they apparently were there on time. Startale wasn't, thus they get dq'ed. It's really simple and the only reasonable thing to do in the end.


It's not the only reasonable thing because we still don't know when ST-YF would have made it to the studio. We don't know that it would have taken 5 hours. We don't know that the studio is only booked for 5 hours. This lack of transparency isn't just an annoyance, it is getting in the way of us knowing whether KeSPA is being draconic or not. And there is absolutely precedence for them being pointlessly draconic in their rulings.
INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
Veriol
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic502 Posts
February 09 2015 13:32 GMT
#106
Forfeit is way too harsh reschedule would be much sensible. To the people saying its their fault and should have gone earlier just to make sure they arrive on time .. Good luck foreseeing a traffic accident that can result into tailback and trap you for several hours theres just nothing you can do.
Its not like proleague is on tight schedule and one day postpone (with maybe minor punishment such as map loss) would be end of the world. There is likely to be a one/two week break inbetween the rounds anyway
"When you play, you have to start off with a mind to turn the game into a rape." -iloveoov
TBO
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1350 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-09 13:34:12
February 09 2015 13:32 GMT
#107
On February 09 2015 22:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 22:21 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:16 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:01 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 09 2015 21:43 sparklyresidue wrote:
On February 09 2015 21:39 Naikonz wrote:
On February 09 2015 21:37 sparklyresidue wrote:
Guys it's a TV broadcast, it's pretty reasonable in the adult world to expect people to arrive within a certain time frame. Sorry if that rustles anyone's jimmies, I wanted to see the match too, but this is pretty sensible.

Can't set a precedent where it's okay to be late, even if it's your favorite Tawainese/Korean hybrid team led by Bomber himself.


This isn't like they got drunk and passed out on the subway. It was an accident. An exceptional event.

If I'm late to work because of traffic, it's still my fault, not the road's.

edit: Timely example. it's snowing here today, so I'm leaving an extra half hour early to make sure I get to work on time or early.

If you read Wax's tweet in the OP it seems that they were literally trapped and unable to move. Dunno how you foresee that

And that matters why exactly?
Fact is one team didn't show up in time. WHY isn't really important at all.
I understand that people here wanted to see the games and are pissed cause it didn't happen, but following the schedule is not "a stupid rule".

So you're saying if someone is late the circumstances that make them late do not matter AT ALL

Sweet Christ this is stupid

Yeah i think you whining about kespa is stupid too, great to agree we both are stupid
It doesn't matter cause the result is that the match can't be played today. It surely isn't JinAir's fault cause they apparently were there on time. Startale wasn't, thus they get dq'ed. It's really simple and the only reasonable thing to do in the end.


rescheduling does happen in real sports major leagues when a force majeure happens. Now I don't know if ST-Yoe had a proper buffer planned for their travel but if they had, then it is just a bad rule by kespa to not account for such events.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-09 13:36:20
February 09 2015 13:33 GMT
#108
On February 09 2015 22:29 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 22:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:21 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:16 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:01 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 09 2015 21:43 sparklyresidue wrote:
On February 09 2015 21:39 Naikonz wrote:
On February 09 2015 21:37 sparklyresidue wrote:
Guys it's a TV broadcast, it's pretty reasonable in the adult world to expect people to arrive within a certain time frame. Sorry if that rustles anyone's jimmies, I wanted to see the match too, but this is pretty sensible.

Can't set a precedent where it's okay to be late, even if it's your favorite Tawainese/Korean hybrid team led by Bomber himself.


This isn't like they got drunk and passed out on the subway. It was an accident. An exceptional event.

If I'm late to work because of traffic, it's still my fault, not the road's.

edit: Timely example. it's snowing here today, so I'm leaving an extra half hour early to make sure I get to work on time or early.

If you read Wax's tweet in the OP it seems that they were literally trapped and unable to move. Dunno how you foresee that

And that matters why exactly?
Fact is one team didn't show up in time. WHY isn't really important at all.
I understand that people here wanted to see the games and are pissed cause it didn't happen, but following the schedule is not "a stupid rule".

So you're saying if someone is late the circumstances that make them late do not matter AT ALL

Sweet Christ this is stupid

Yeah i think you whining about kespa is stupid too, great to agree we both are stupid
It doesn't matter cause the result is that the match can't be played today. It surely isn't JinAir's fault cause they apparently were there on time. Startale wasn't, thus they get dq'ed. It's really simple and the only reasonable thing to do in the end.

Or you know award one map to Jin Air for every half hour ST is late. It's really simple and is even more reasonable than the "only reasonable thing to do in the end"

It's great to see you have all the inside information, maybe you should schedule spotv games ?
You realize that this is a live broadcast? This event would have started at 19:00 KST, you don't think this is already pretty late so the schedule is even more important?
Sry but "they should just delay it a bit" is really naive to say, i am sure Kespa (and spotv) know their stuff better than some angry fans in the TL forum

On February 09 2015 22:30 pure.Wasted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 22:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:21 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:16 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:01 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 09 2015 21:43 sparklyresidue wrote:
On February 09 2015 21:39 Naikonz wrote:
On February 09 2015 21:37 sparklyresidue wrote:
Guys it's a TV broadcast, it's pretty reasonable in the adult world to expect people to arrive within a certain time frame. Sorry if that rustles anyone's jimmies, I wanted to see the match too, but this is pretty sensible.

Can't set a precedent where it's okay to be late, even if it's your favorite Tawainese/Korean hybrid team led by Bomber himself.


This isn't like they got drunk and passed out on the subway. It was an accident. An exceptional event.

If I'm late to work because of traffic, it's still my fault, not the road's.

edit: Timely example. it's snowing here today, so I'm leaving an extra half hour early to make sure I get to work on time or early.

If you read Wax's tweet in the OP it seems that they were literally trapped and unable to move. Dunno how you foresee that

And that matters why exactly?
Fact is one team didn't show up in time. WHY isn't really important at all.
I understand that people here wanted to see the games and are pissed cause it didn't happen, but following the schedule is not "a stupid rule".

So you're saying if someone is late the circumstances that make them late do not matter AT ALL

Sweet Christ this is stupid

Yeah i think you whining about kespa is stupid too, great to agree we both are stupid
It doesn't matter cause the result is that the match can't be played today. It surely isn't JinAir's fault cause they apparently were there on time. Startale wasn't, thus they get dq'ed. It's really simple and the only reasonable thing to do in the end.


It's not the only reasonable thing because we still don't know when ST-YF would have made it to the studio. We don't know that it would have taken 5 hours. We don't know that the studio is only booked for 5 hours. This lack of transparency isn't just an annoyance, it is getting in the way of us knowing whether KeSPA is being draconic or not. And there is absolutely precedence for them being pointlessly draconic in their rulings.

As i said, i agree about the transparency aspect. But i also think Kespa and Spotv know their stuff better than TL forum posters. It's easy to cry "evil kespa", and people like to do it a lot.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
polpot
Profile Joined April 2012
3002 Posts
February 09 2015 13:35 GMT
#109
This is stupid!
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
February 09 2015 13:36 GMT
#110
On February 09 2015 22:29 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 22:23 pure.Wasted wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:16 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:01 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 09 2015 21:43 sparklyresidue wrote:
On February 09 2015 21:39 Naikonz wrote:
On February 09 2015 21:37 sparklyresidue wrote:
Guys it's a TV broadcast, it's pretty reasonable in the adult world to expect people to arrive within a certain time frame. Sorry if that rustles anyone's jimmies, I wanted to see the match too, but this is pretty sensible.

Can't set a precedent where it's okay to be late, even if it's your favorite Tawainese/Korean hybrid team led by Bomber himself.


This isn't like they got drunk and passed out on the subway. It was an accident. An exceptional event.

If I'm late to work because of traffic, it's still my fault, not the road's.

edit: Timely example. it's snowing here today, so I'm leaving an extra half hour early to make sure I get to work on time or early.

If you read Wax's tweet in the OP it seems that they were literally trapped and unable to move. Dunno how you foresee that

And that matters why exactly?
Fact is one team didn't show up in time. WHY isn't really important at all.
I understand that people here wanted to see the games and are pissed cause it didn't happen, but following the schedule is not "a stupid rule".


It matters because "integrity of competition" isn't a measurable fact, it's a subjective perception. And right now, the majority of viewers - not to mention flabbergasted Korean players, if their tweets are any indication - subjectively perceive the integrity of the playoffs to have been compromised.

Whether KeSPA will care is up to them.

The integrity would only be harmed if Jinair was late as well and Startale would be dq'ed. Or if tomorrow this happens again but they wait. Otherwise there is nothign wrong and people who think otherwise are probably just butthurt their team didn't get "the chance to play". Which is completely wrong


I don't think that ST stood a chance tonight, and I'm butthurt. But I'm sure your back-up explanation is that I'm a KeSPA hater. It doesn't matter that you think the integrity wasn't harmed. Integrity isn't a measurable quality. We're not dealing with facts. We're dealing with public perception. And the public appears to disagree with you.

First PartinG gets locked out of PL, then ST-YF gets an insta-DQ. Maybe any team would have gotten DQed, maybe not. Who knows? We surely don't, because they still think transparency is a dirty word.
INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 09 2015 13:39 GMT
#111
On February 09 2015 22:33 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 22:29 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:21 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:16 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:01 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 09 2015 21:43 sparklyresidue wrote:
On February 09 2015 21:39 Naikonz wrote:
On February 09 2015 21:37 sparklyresidue wrote:
Guys it's a TV broadcast, it's pretty reasonable in the adult world to expect people to arrive within a certain time frame. Sorry if that rustles anyone's jimmies, I wanted to see the match too, but this is pretty sensible.

Can't set a precedent where it's okay to be late, even if it's your favorite Tawainese/Korean hybrid team led by Bomber himself.


This isn't like they got drunk and passed out on the subway. It was an accident. An exceptional event.

If I'm late to work because of traffic, it's still my fault, not the road's.

edit: Timely example. it's snowing here today, so I'm leaving an extra half hour early to make sure I get to work on time or early.

If you read Wax's tweet in the OP it seems that they were literally trapped and unable to move. Dunno how you foresee that

And that matters why exactly?
Fact is one team didn't show up in time. WHY isn't really important at all.
I understand that people here wanted to see the games and are pissed cause it didn't happen, but following the schedule is not "a stupid rule".

So you're saying if someone is late the circumstances that make them late do not matter AT ALL

Sweet Christ this is stupid

Yeah i think you whining about kespa is stupid too, great to agree we both are stupid
It doesn't matter cause the result is that the match can't be played today. It surely isn't JinAir's fault cause they apparently were there on time. Startale wasn't, thus they get dq'ed. It's really simple and the only reasonable thing to do in the end.

Or you know award one map to Jin Air for every half hour ST is late. It's really simple and is even more reasonable than the "only reasonable thing to do in the end"

It's great to see you have all the inside information, maybe you should schedule spotv games ?
You realize that this is a live broadcast? This event would have started at 19:00 KST, you don't think this is already pretty late so the schedule is even more important?
Sry but "they should just delay it a bit" is really naive to say, i am sure Kespa (and spotv) know their stuff better than some angry fans in the TL forum

Ok so your first sentence is bullshit stalling because you don't have a counterpoint.
I do realize it's a live event. Dunno how this has any bearing on what I just said
You put words in quotes that I didn't say. Quotation marks are for quoting things not random bullshit conjectures that you make. Then you call whichever mystery person said that quote "naive" but I feel ok about that because I didn't say it.

Explain to me again how one map awarded to Jin Air for every half hour late delays jack shit
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-09 13:41:27
February 09 2015 13:39 GMT
#112
On February 09 2015 22:33 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 22:29 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:21 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:16 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:01 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 09 2015 21:43 sparklyresidue wrote:
On February 09 2015 21:39 Naikonz wrote:
On February 09 2015 21:37 sparklyresidue wrote:
Guys it's a TV broadcast, it's pretty reasonable in the adult world to expect people to arrive within a certain time frame. Sorry if that rustles anyone's jimmies, I wanted to see the match too, but this is pretty sensible.

Can't set a precedent where it's okay to be late, even if it's your favorite Tawainese/Korean hybrid team led by Bomber himself.


This isn't like they got drunk and passed out on the subway. It was an accident. An exceptional event.

If I'm late to work because of traffic, it's still my fault, not the road's.

edit: Timely example. it's snowing here today, so I'm leaving an extra half hour early to make sure I get to work on time or early.

If you read Wax's tweet in the OP it seems that they were literally trapped and unable to move. Dunno how you foresee that

And that matters why exactly?
Fact is one team didn't show up in time. WHY isn't really important at all.
I understand that people here wanted to see the games and are pissed cause it didn't happen, but following the schedule is not "a stupid rule".

So you're saying if someone is late the circumstances that make them late do not matter AT ALL

Sweet Christ this is stupid

Yeah i think you whining about kespa is stupid too, great to agree we both are stupid
It doesn't matter cause the result is that the match can't be played today. It surely isn't JinAir's fault cause they apparently were there on time. Startale wasn't, thus they get dq'ed. It's really simple and the only reasonable thing to do in the end.

Or you know award one map to Jin Air for every half hour ST is late. It's really simple and is even more reasonable than the "only reasonable thing to do in the end"

It's great to see you have all the inside information, maybe you should schedule spotv games ?
You realize that this is a live broadcast? This event would have started at 19:00 KST, you don't think this is already pretty late so the schedule is even more important?
Sry but "they should just delay it a bit" is really naive to say, i am sure Kespa (and spotv) know their stuff better than some angry fans in the TL forum

If it is reasonable to postpone Champions League matches once in a while due to unexpected circumstances, I'm pretty sure there would be a way to postpone a Starcraft match.
This is really just overly strict Kespa ruling. The rules are the rules I guess, but maybe they should think about changing them when they are stupid. And given that there was some referee decision involved that could have gone the other way, it is quite understandable why people (including me) are upset.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
February 09 2015 13:45 GMT
#113
On February 09 2015 22:33 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 22:29 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:21 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:16 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:01 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 09 2015 21:43 sparklyresidue wrote:
On February 09 2015 21:39 Naikonz wrote:
On February 09 2015 21:37 sparklyresidue wrote:
Guys it's a TV broadcast, it's pretty reasonable in the adult world to expect people to arrive within a certain time frame. Sorry if that rustles anyone's jimmies, I wanted to see the match too, but this is pretty sensible.

Can't set a precedent where it's okay to be late, even if it's your favorite Tawainese/Korean hybrid team led by Bomber himself.


This isn't like they got drunk and passed out on the subway. It was an accident. An exceptional event.

If I'm late to work because of traffic, it's still my fault, not the road's.

edit: Timely example. it's snowing here today, so I'm leaving an extra half hour early to make sure I get to work on time or early.

If you read Wax's tweet in the OP it seems that they were literally trapped and unable to move. Dunno how you foresee that

And that matters why exactly?
Fact is one team didn't show up in time. WHY isn't really important at all.
I understand that people here wanted to see the games and are pissed cause it didn't happen, but following the schedule is not "a stupid rule".

So you're saying if someone is late the circumstances that make them late do not matter AT ALL

Sweet Christ this is stupid

Yeah i think you whining about kespa is stupid too, great to agree we both are stupid
It doesn't matter cause the result is that the match can't be played today. It surely isn't JinAir's fault cause they apparently were there on time. Startale wasn't, thus they get dq'ed. It's really simple and the only reasonable thing to do in the end.

Or you know award one map to Jin Air for every half hour ST is late. It's really simple and is even more reasonable than the "only reasonable thing to do in the end"

It's great to see you have all the inside information, maybe you should schedule spotv games ?
You realize that this is a live broadcast? This event would have started at 19:00 KST, you don't think this is already pretty late so the schedule is even more important?
Sry but "they should just delay it a bit" is really naive to say, i am sure Kespa (and spotv) know their stuff better than some angry fans in the TL forum

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On February 09 2015 22:30 pure.Wasted wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:21 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:16 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:01 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 09 2015 21:43 sparklyresidue wrote:
On February 09 2015 21:39 Naikonz wrote:
On February 09 2015 21:37 sparklyresidue wrote:
Guys it's a TV broadcast, it's pretty reasonable in the adult world to expect people to arrive within a certain time frame. Sorry if that rustles anyone's jimmies, I wanted to see the match too, but this is pretty sensible.

Can't set a precedent where it's okay to be late, even if it's your favorite Tawainese/Korean hybrid team led by Bomber himself.


This isn't like they got drunk and passed out on the subway. It was an accident. An exceptional event.

If I'm late to work because of traffic, it's still my fault, not the road's.

edit: Timely example. it's snowing here today, so I'm leaving an extra half hour early to make sure I get to work on time or early.

If you read Wax's tweet in the OP it seems that they were literally trapped and unable to move. Dunno how you foresee that

And that matters why exactly?
Fact is one team didn't show up in time. WHY isn't really important at all.
I understand that people here wanted to see the games and are pissed cause it didn't happen, but following the schedule is not "a stupid rule".

So you're saying if someone is late the circumstances that make them late do not matter AT ALL

Sweet Christ this is stupid

Yeah i think you whining about kespa is stupid too, great to agree we both are stupid
It doesn't matter cause the result is that the match can't be played today. It surely isn't JinAir's fault cause they apparently were there on time. Startale wasn't, thus they get dq'ed. It's really simple and the only reasonable thing to do in the end.


It's not the only reasonable thing because we still don't know when ST-YF would have made it to the studio. We don't know that it would have taken 5 hours. We don't know that the studio is only booked for 5 hours. This lack of transparency isn't just an annoyance, it is getting in the way of us knowing whether KeSPA is being draconic or not. And there is absolutely precedence for them being pointlessly draconic in their rulings.

As i said, i agree about the transparency aspect. But i also think Kespa and Spotv know their stuff better than TL forum posters. It's easy to cry "evil kespa", and people like to do it a lot.



So in short, for you, TV broadcast schedule is much more important than the competition itself?

This is really what I hate about many people here, how the only thing they care about is that starcraft is "on TV" and "big" and indulge in watching glitter and show and "production" and the greatest thing ever was when BW used to sell out sport arenas.

I would really appreciate much more if everyone involved was friendly to everyone else, if it were a group of people who love the game and want to create the best competition. I can't help but wonder if this coveted "growth" really makes anything better at all. Maybe it will be the best times when all of this blows over and there will be just a couple of amateur leagues to watch, where those running them will do it from pure passion and the atmosphere of something good will prevail once again.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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RaFox17
Profile Joined May 2013
Finland4581 Posts
February 09 2015 13:46 GMT
#114
On February 09 2015 22:39 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 22:33 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:29 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:21 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:16 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:01 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 09 2015 21:43 sparklyresidue wrote:
On February 09 2015 21:39 Naikonz wrote:
On February 09 2015 21:37 sparklyresidue wrote:
Guys it's a TV broadcast, it's pretty reasonable in the adult world to expect people to arrive within a certain time frame. Sorry if that rustles anyone's jimmies, I wanted to see the match too, but this is pretty sensible.

Can't set a precedent where it's okay to be late, even if it's your favorite Tawainese/Korean hybrid team led by Bomber himself.


This isn't like they got drunk and passed out on the subway. It was an accident. An exceptional event.

If I'm late to work because of traffic, it's still my fault, not the road's.

edit: Timely example. it's snowing here today, so I'm leaving an extra half hour early to make sure I get to work on time or early.

If you read Wax's tweet in the OP it seems that they were literally trapped and unable to move. Dunno how you foresee that

And that matters why exactly?
Fact is one team didn't show up in time. WHY isn't really important at all.
I understand that people here wanted to see the games and are pissed cause it didn't happen, but following the schedule is not "a stupid rule".

So you're saying if someone is late the circumstances that make them late do not matter AT ALL

Sweet Christ this is stupid

Yeah i think you whining about kespa is stupid too, great to agree we both are stupid
It doesn't matter cause the result is that the match can't be played today. It surely isn't JinAir's fault cause they apparently were there on time. Startale wasn't, thus they get dq'ed. It's really simple and the only reasonable thing to do in the end.

Or you know award one map to Jin Air for every half hour ST is late. It's really simple and is even more reasonable than the "only reasonable thing to do in the end"

It's great to see you have all the inside information, maybe you should schedule spotv games ?
You realize that this is a live broadcast? This event would have started at 19:00 KST, you don't think this is already pretty late so the schedule is even more important?
Sry but "they should just delay it a bit" is really naive to say, i am sure Kespa (and spotv) know their stuff better than some angry fans in the TL forum

If it is reasonable to postpone Champions League matches once in a while due to unexpected circumstances, I'm pretty sure there would be a way to postpone a Starcraft match.
This is really just overly strict Kespa ruling. The rules are the rules I guess, but maybe they should think about changing them when they are stupid. And given that there was some referee decision involved that could have gone the other way, it is quite understandable why people (including me) are upset.

Agree 100% with you. I´m personally disappointed that my favourite team in PL lost like this.
anessie
Profile Joined August 2011
180 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-09 13:47:15
February 09 2015 13:46 GMT
#115

Moonglade could have played a superlong swarmhost showmatch vs some Korean commentator! Missed opportunity!
kinsky
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany368 Posts
February 09 2015 13:50 GMT
#116
On February 09 2015 22:46 anessie wrote:

Moonglade could have played a superlong swarmhost showmatch vs some Korean commentator! Missed opportunity!


at least that!

back to topic: what a shame! kespa made the worst decision, they could´ve make. bad game, you suck.
fruity.
Profile Joined April 2012
England1711 Posts
February 09 2015 13:50 GMT
#117
KESPA being KESPA news at 10 shocker.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
February 09 2015 13:54 GMT
#118
On February 09 2015 22:39 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 22:33 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:29 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:21 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:16 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:01 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 09 2015 21:43 sparklyresidue wrote:
On February 09 2015 21:39 Naikonz wrote:
On February 09 2015 21:37 sparklyresidue wrote:
Guys it's a TV broadcast, it's pretty reasonable in the adult world to expect people to arrive within a certain time frame. Sorry if that rustles anyone's jimmies, I wanted to see the match too, but this is pretty sensible.

Can't set a precedent where it's okay to be late, even if it's your favorite Tawainese/Korean hybrid team led by Bomber himself.


This isn't like they got drunk and passed out on the subway. It was an accident. An exceptional event.

If I'm late to work because of traffic, it's still my fault, not the road's.

edit: Timely example. it's snowing here today, so I'm leaving an extra half hour early to make sure I get to work on time or early.

If you read Wax's tweet in the OP it seems that they were literally trapped and unable to move. Dunno how you foresee that

And that matters why exactly?
Fact is one team didn't show up in time. WHY isn't really important at all.
I understand that people here wanted to see the games and are pissed cause it didn't happen, but following the schedule is not "a stupid rule".

So you're saying if someone is late the circumstances that make them late do not matter AT ALL

Sweet Christ this is stupid

Yeah i think you whining about kespa is stupid too, great to agree we both are stupid
It doesn't matter cause the result is that the match can't be played today. It surely isn't JinAir's fault cause they apparently were there on time. Startale wasn't, thus they get dq'ed. It's really simple and the only reasonable thing to do in the end.

Or you know award one map to Jin Air for every half hour ST is late. It's really simple and is even more reasonable than the "only reasonable thing to do in the end"

It's great to see you have all the inside information, maybe you should schedule spotv games ?
You realize that this is a live broadcast? This event would have started at 19:00 KST, you don't think this is already pretty late so the schedule is even more important?
Sry but "they should just delay it a bit" is really naive to say, i am sure Kespa (and spotv) know their stuff better than some angry fans in the TL forum

Ok so your first sentence is bullshit stalling because you don't have a counterpoint.
I do realize it's a live event. Dunno how this has any bearing on what I just said
You put words in quotes that I didn't say. Quotation marks are for quoting things not random bullshit conjectures that you make. Then you call whichever mystery person said that quote "naive" but I feel ok about that because I didn't say it.

Explain to me again how one map awarded to Jin Air for every half hour late delays jack shit

Yeah arguing with you never works, that's why i won't anymore, always the same...
Also quotation marks aren't only used for direct quotation, but that isn't really the point (even though you try really hard)


On February 09 2015 22:39 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 22:33 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:29 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:21 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:16 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 09 2015 22:01 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 09 2015 21:43 sparklyresidue wrote:
On February 09 2015 21:39 Naikonz wrote:
On February 09 2015 21:37 sparklyresidue wrote:
Guys it's a TV broadcast, it's pretty reasonable in the adult world to expect people to arrive within a certain time frame. Sorry if that rustles anyone's jimmies, I wanted to see the match too, but this is pretty sensible.

Can't set a precedent where it's okay to be late, even if it's your favorite Tawainese/Korean hybrid team led by Bomber himself.


This isn't like they got drunk and passed out on the subway. It was an accident. An exceptional event.

If I'm late to work because of traffic, it's still my fault, not the road's.

edit: Timely example. it's snowing here today, so I'm leaving an extra half hour early to make sure I get to work on time or early.

If you read Wax's tweet in the OP it seems that they were literally trapped and unable to move. Dunno how you foresee that

And that matters why exactly?
Fact is one team didn't show up in time. WHY isn't really important at all.
I understand that people here wanted to see the games and are pissed cause it didn't happen, but following the schedule is not "a stupid rule".

So you're saying if someone is late the circumstances that make them late do not matter AT ALL

Sweet Christ this is stupid

Yeah i think you whining about kespa is stupid too, great to agree we both are stupid
It doesn't matter cause the result is that the match can't be played today. It surely isn't JinAir's fault cause they apparently were there on time. Startale wasn't, thus they get dq'ed. It's really simple and the only reasonable thing to do in the end.

Or you know award one map to Jin Air for every half hour ST is late. It's really simple and is even more reasonable than the "only reasonable thing to do in the end"

It's great to see you have all the inside information, maybe you should schedule spotv games ?
You realize that this is a live broadcast? This event would have started at 19:00 KST, you don't think this is already pretty late so the schedule is even more important?
Sry but "they should just delay it a bit" is really naive to say, i am sure Kespa (and spotv) know their stuff better than some angry fans in the TL forum

If it is reasonable to postpone Champions League matches once in a while due to unexpected circumstances, I'm pretty sure there would be a way to postpone a Starcraft match.
This is really just overly strict Kespa ruling. The rules are the rules I guess, but maybe they should think about changing them when they are stupid. And given that there was some referee decision involved that could have gone the other way, it is quite understandable why people (including me) are upset.

People are upset cause they don't care if it runs an hour later. They simply aren't affected as much as spotv (and kespa).
If starcraft would be the number one event on spotv and they would expect huge viewer rating i am sure rescheduling would have been an option, but that's apparently not the world we live in right now.
So you either accept the rules (i don't think they are stupid at all), or you make a fuss about it and call Kespa evil.
And yeah Kespa is so so evil, trying their hardest to make sc2 work in korea. Rules are always stupid when you are the one they are enforced upon...

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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
February 09 2015 13:55 GMT
#119
i don't recall a team ever being dq'd for being late in ~22 seasons of proleague. not sure if it's because no one has ever been late or if the rule was more lenient in the past.
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Veluvian
Profile Joined December 2011
Bulgaria256 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-09 14:05:56
February 09 2015 14:03 GMT
#120
That's not fair... :/ What should they use next time to avoid traffic/weather problems? OVERLORDS?
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