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kochanfe
Profile Joined July 2011
Micronesia1338 Posts
January 26 2015 17:51 GMT
#181
Poor Happy
Also, as beastly as Groups 2, 6, and 8 are, Group 1 has my vote for group of death.
"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long." - Lao Tzu
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
January 26 2015 17:52 GMT
#182
On January 27 2015 02:49 GumBa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2015 02:34 Musicus wrote:
On January 27 2015 02:22 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 27 2015 00:31 Musicus wrote:
On January 27 2015 00:20 Circumstance wrote:
Let's be clear. For the sake of *logistics*, some would rather blatantly rig the groups to guarantee one region six spots in the Top 16 instead of spreading everyone out to give every region a fair shot for their players to advance?


Yeah I don't get it at all, especially since this was known for a long time. Having artificial groups so players don't have to fly, wtf. Most people aren't even considering that many players love being a progamer because they get to travel. Not every european will hate it that he gets to visit America. If teams had to pay themselves I could understand it, but that's obviously not the case. There is only one way this can be done, and that's the way it is being done.

Being a progamer means you have to be able to fly around the world and still perform, it's part of the job. Rigging the groups so players don't have to fly as far... still feel like people are trolling.

On January 27 2015 00:25 opisska wrote:
Let's way how many players will drop out because of this "logistics" and then we can discuss how fair it is.


Not a single person will drop out because of this, if someone does it's a joke and extremely unprofessional. The only acceptable reason is a vissa issue, but I'm sure Blizzard is working hard to ensure everybody can come, especially the Chinese players.

The only acceptable reason is visa issue? Assuming the groups are being played on weekdays, what about a part-time player having to study, who will potentialy miss several days if he doesn't want to be affected by jetlag? (I don't know if this is a real issue or not, but it seems to me it might be)


I think you should not commit to WCS if work or school could get in the way, you have to be able to schedule around WCS. This is Premiere, this is for Pros. Well if you are in the hospital you can't play, so of course there are other reasons. My statement was too extreme. I hate extreme statements actually .

You weren't extreme enough. All players that aren't willing to commit every fibre of their being should be banned and hunted down like the filthy casuals they are.


See, you can just say out loud what I think.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 26 2015 18:03 GMT
#183
On January 27 2015 02:49 GumBa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2015 02:34 Musicus wrote:
On January 27 2015 02:22 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 27 2015 00:31 Musicus wrote:
On January 27 2015 00:20 Circumstance wrote:
Let's be clear. For the sake of *logistics*, some would rather blatantly rig the groups to guarantee one region six spots in the Top 16 instead of spreading everyone out to give every region a fair shot for their players to advance?


Yeah I don't get it at all, especially since this was known for a long time. Having artificial groups so players don't have to fly, wtf. Most people aren't even considering that many players love being a progamer because they get to travel. Not every european will hate it that he gets to visit America. If teams had to pay themselves I could understand it, but that's obviously not the case. There is only one way this can be done, and that's the way it is being done.

Being a progamer means you have to be able to fly around the world and still perform, it's part of the job. Rigging the groups so players don't have to fly as far... still feel like people are trolling.

On January 27 2015 00:25 opisska wrote:
Let's way how many players will drop out because of this "logistics" and then we can discuss how fair it is.


Not a single person will drop out because of this, if someone does it's a joke and extremely unprofessional. The only acceptable reason is a vissa issue, but I'm sure Blizzard is working hard to ensure everybody can come, especially the Chinese players.

The only acceptable reason is visa issue? Assuming the groups are being played on weekdays, what about a part-time player having to study, who will potentialy miss several days if he doesn't want to be affected by jetlag? (I don't know if this is a real issue or not, but it seems to me it might be)


I think you should not commit to WCS if work or school could get in the way, you have to be able to schedule around WCS. This is Premiere, this is for Pros. Well if you are in the hospital you can't play, so of course there are other reasons. My statement was too extreme. I hate extreme statements actually .

You weren't extreme enough. All players that aren't willing to commit every fibre of their being should be banned and hunted down like the filthy casuals they are.

So we should ban Welmu, one of the if not the best foreign Protoss, Nerchio, FireCake, HeRoMaRinE, Reynor, Arium, etc (these are just the ones on top of my head, no doubt there are more) and we should have banned VortiX or Polt back in their time. Yeah, sounds legit.
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Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14461 Posts
January 26 2015 18:08 GMT
#184
On January 27 2015 02:47 Circumstance wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2015 01:41 Aeromi wrote:
Some players like PiG or TargA already know where they are playing while some players still not know if they are going to play in Germany or USA. I just don't get why this has not been decided yet.

Call me crazy, but I think there are other mediums than Twitter being used to communicate with players.

PiG was contacted via Twitter to pick his country to play, TargA received a confirmation that he's going to play in Cologne. I was with PunchLine manager and he still does not know if FireCake is going to play in Germany.
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GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
January 26 2015 18:08 GMT
#185
On January 27 2015 03:03 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2015 02:49 GumBa wrote:
On January 27 2015 02:34 Musicus wrote:
On January 27 2015 02:22 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 27 2015 00:31 Musicus wrote:
On January 27 2015 00:20 Circumstance wrote:
Let's be clear. For the sake of *logistics*, some would rather blatantly rig the groups to guarantee one region six spots in the Top 16 instead of spreading everyone out to give every region a fair shot for their players to advance?


Yeah I don't get it at all, especially since this was known for a long time. Having artificial groups so players don't have to fly, wtf. Most people aren't even considering that many players love being a progamer because they get to travel. Not every european will hate it that he gets to visit America. If teams had to pay themselves I could understand it, but that's obviously not the case. There is only one way this can be done, and that's the way it is being done.

Being a progamer means you have to be able to fly around the world and still perform, it's part of the job. Rigging the groups so players don't have to fly as far... still feel like people are trolling.

On January 27 2015 00:25 opisska wrote:
Let's way how many players will drop out because of this "logistics" and then we can discuss how fair it is.


Not a single person will drop out because of this, if someone does it's a joke and extremely unprofessional. The only acceptable reason is a vissa issue, but I'm sure Blizzard is working hard to ensure everybody can come, especially the Chinese players.

The only acceptable reason is visa issue? Assuming the groups are being played on weekdays, what about a part-time player having to study, who will potentialy miss several days if he doesn't want to be affected by jetlag? (I don't know if this is a real issue or not, but it seems to me it might be)


I think you should not commit to WCS if work or school could get in the way, you have to be able to schedule around WCS. This is Premiere, this is for Pros. Well if you are in the hospital you can't play, so of course there are other reasons. My statement was too extreme. I hate extreme statements actually .

You weren't extreme enough. All players that aren't willing to commit every fibre of their being should be banned and hunted down like the filthy casuals they are.

So we should ban Welmu, one of the if not the best foreign Protoss, Nerchio, FireCake, HeRoMaRinE, Reynor, Arium, etc (these are just the ones on top of my head, no doubt there are more) and we should have banned VortiX or Polt back in their time. Yeah, sounds legit.

Yes, it disgust me that they dont play 28 hours a day
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
magicallypuzzled
Profile Joined June 2011
United States588 Posts
January 26 2015 18:15 GMT
#186
On January 27 2015 03:03 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2015 02:49 GumBa wrote:
On January 27 2015 02:34 Musicus wrote:
On January 27 2015 02:22 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 27 2015 00:31 Musicus wrote:
On January 27 2015 00:20 Circumstance wrote:
Let's be clear. For the sake of *logistics*, some would rather blatantly rig the groups to guarantee one region six spots in the Top 16 instead of spreading everyone out to give every region a fair shot for their players to advance?


Yeah I don't get it at all, especially since this was known for a long time. Having artificial groups so players don't have to fly, wtf. Most people aren't even considering that many players love being a progamer because they get to travel. Not every european will hate it that he gets to visit America. If teams had to pay themselves I could understand it, but that's obviously not the case. There is only one way this can be done, and that's the way it is being done.

Being a progamer means you have to be able to fly around the world and still perform, it's part of the job. Rigging the groups so players don't have to fly as far... still feel like people are trolling.

On January 27 2015 00:25 opisska wrote:
Let's way how many players will drop out because of this "logistics" and then we can discuss how fair it is.


Not a single person will drop out because of this, if someone does it's a joke and extremely unprofessional. The only acceptable reason is a vissa issue, but I'm sure Blizzard is working hard to ensure everybody can come, especially the Chinese players.

The only acceptable reason is visa issue? Assuming the groups are being played on weekdays, what about a part-time player having to study, who will potentialy miss several days if he doesn't want to be affected by jetlag? (I don't know if this is a real issue or not, but it seems to me it might be)


I think you should not commit to WCS if work or school could get in the way, you have to be able to schedule around WCS. This is Premiere, this is for Pros. Well if you are in the hospital you can't play, so of course there are other reasons. My statement was too extreme. I hate extreme statements actually .

You weren't extreme enough. All players that aren't willing to commit every fibre of their being should be banned and hunted down like the filthy casuals they are.

So we should ban Welmu, one of the if not the best foreign Protoss, Nerchio, FireCake, HeRoMaRinE, Reynor, Arium, etc (these are just the ones on top of my head, no doubt there are more) and we should have banned VortiX or Polt back in their time. Yeah, sounds legit.

not a single one of those are uncommitted or have any chance of dropping out for any reason assuming they had the opportunity to get in in the first place.
is depressed
sashamunguia
Profile Joined February 2011
Mexico423 Posts
January 26 2015 18:17 GMT
#187
On January 26 2015 17:18 EvilSusan wrote:
just wow... I cannot remember when last I was so hyped for the RO32 of a foreign event! Still a bit too early to judge the new WCS system, but so far I am absolutely loving it! :D

My predictions:

Group 1: (P)MaNa, (T)MajOr, (P)puCK, (Z)TargA
Group 2: (T)ForGG, (Z)Serral, (T)Polt, (T)Happy
Group 3: (T)Bunny, (Z)XiGua, (T)uThermal, (P)Astrea
Group 4: (P)Has, (P)HuK, (P)ShoWTimE, (Z)FireCake
Group 5: (P)NaNiwa, (Z)Suppy, (P)Jim, (T)Kelazhur
Group 6: (Z)Hydra, (Z)Sen, (T)iaguz, (P)Welmu,
Group 7: (Z)TLO, (Z)viOLet, (P)MacSed, (T)MorroW
Group 8: (Z)Kane, (Z)Snute, (Z)PiG, (Z)iAsonu

Also, as an aside, you guys rock. I've been lurking in LR threads for about two and a half years now, I think, and I am almost always entertained and informed when doing so. So keep at it, guys and ladies, this has always been a place that I can retreat to when I'm down, so you've all made a difference in the life of at least one depressed person.

Starcraft fans are best fans. Muchness of love to you all! <3


Totally agree, the hype gets real!
This new system is pretty cool too, Hopefully I'll be able to watch most groups, I can't wait for groups 1, 5 and 6 though!
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Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
January 26 2015 18:18 GMT
#188
On January 27 2015 03:08 Aeromi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2015 02:47 Circumstance wrote:
On January 27 2015 01:41 Aeromi wrote:
Some players like PiG or TargA already know where they are playing while some players still not know if they are going to play in Germany or USA. I just don't get why this has not been decided yet.

Call me crazy, but I think there are other mediums than Twitter being used to communicate with players.

PiG was contacted via Twitter to pick his country to play, TargA received a confirmation that he's going to play in Cologne. I was with PunchLine manager and he still does not know if FireCake is going to play in Germany.

Well, seems like they're talking to players directly. PiG might've just been in the part of the world they want to take care of visa-wise (I don't know what medium they're using to make contact with the rest of the Pacific). Targa...well, he asked.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12465 Posts
January 26 2015 18:20 GMT
#189
Okay so I've read the whole thread and I don't understand what the controversy is about?
No will to live, no wish to die
magicallypuzzled
Profile Joined June 2011
United States588 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-26 18:21:50
January 26 2015 18:21 GMT
#190
yeah I don't get it either what exactly was wrong with the way the groups were drawn?
is depressed
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 26 2015 18:26 GMT
#191
On January 27 2015 03:08 GumBa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2015 03:03 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 27 2015 02:49 GumBa wrote:
On January 27 2015 02:34 Musicus wrote:
On January 27 2015 02:22 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 27 2015 00:31 Musicus wrote:
On January 27 2015 00:20 Circumstance wrote:
Let's be clear. For the sake of *logistics*, some would rather blatantly rig the groups to guarantee one region six spots in the Top 16 instead of spreading everyone out to give every region a fair shot for their players to advance?


Yeah I don't get it at all, especially since this was known for a long time. Having artificial groups so players don't have to fly, wtf. Most people aren't even considering that many players love being a progamer because they get to travel. Not every european will hate it that he gets to visit America. If teams had to pay themselves I could understand it, but that's obviously not the case. There is only one way this can be done, and that's the way it is being done.

Being a progamer means you have to be able to fly around the world and still perform, it's part of the job. Rigging the groups so players don't have to fly as far... still feel like people are trolling.

On January 27 2015 00:25 opisska wrote:
Let's way how many players will drop out because of this "logistics" and then we can discuss how fair it is.


Not a single person will drop out because of this, if someone does it's a joke and extremely unprofessional. The only acceptable reason is a vissa issue, but I'm sure Blizzard is working hard to ensure everybody can come, especially the Chinese players.

The only acceptable reason is visa issue? Assuming the groups are being played on weekdays, what about a part-time player having to study, who will potentialy miss several days if he doesn't want to be affected by jetlag? (I don't know if this is a real issue or not, but it seems to me it might be)


I think you should not commit to WCS if work or school could get in the way, you have to be able to schedule around WCS. This is Premiere, this is for Pros. Well if you are in the hospital you can't play, so of course there are other reasons. My statement was too extreme. I hate extreme statements actually .

You weren't extreme enough. All players that aren't willing to commit every fibre of their being should be banned and hunted down like the filthy casuals they are.

So we should ban Welmu, one of the if not the best foreign Protoss, Nerchio, FireCake, HeRoMaRinE, Reynor, Arium, etc (these are just the ones on top of my head, no doubt there are more) and we should have banned VortiX or Polt back in their time. Yeah, sounds legit.

Yes, it disgust me that they dont play 28 hours a day

Nah I got that you were joking, but my point still stands for Musicus d:
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GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
January 26 2015 18:28 GMT
#192
On January 27 2015 03:26 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2015 03:08 GumBa wrote:
On January 27 2015 03:03 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 27 2015 02:49 GumBa wrote:
On January 27 2015 02:34 Musicus wrote:
On January 27 2015 02:22 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 27 2015 00:31 Musicus wrote:
On January 27 2015 00:20 Circumstance wrote:
Let's be clear. For the sake of *logistics*, some would rather blatantly rig the groups to guarantee one region six spots in the Top 16 instead of spreading everyone out to give every region a fair shot for their players to advance?


Yeah I don't get it at all, especially since this was known for a long time. Having artificial groups so players don't have to fly, wtf. Most people aren't even considering that many players love being a progamer because they get to travel. Not every european will hate it that he gets to visit America. If teams had to pay themselves I could understand it, but that's obviously not the case. There is only one way this can be done, and that's the way it is being done.

Being a progamer means you have to be able to fly around the world and still perform, it's part of the job. Rigging the groups so players don't have to fly as far... still feel like people are trolling.

On January 27 2015 00:25 opisska wrote:
Let's way how many players will drop out because of this "logistics" and then we can discuss how fair it is.


Not a single person will drop out because of this, if someone does it's a joke and extremely unprofessional. The only acceptable reason is a vissa issue, but I'm sure Blizzard is working hard to ensure everybody can come, especially the Chinese players.

The only acceptable reason is visa issue? Assuming the groups are being played on weekdays, what about a part-time player having to study, who will potentialy miss several days if he doesn't want to be affected by jetlag? (I don't know if this is a real issue or not, but it seems to me it might be)


I think you should not commit to WCS if work or school could get in the way, you have to be able to schedule around WCS. This is Premiere, this is for Pros. Well if you are in the hospital you can't play, so of course there are other reasons. My statement was too extreme. I hate extreme statements actually .

You weren't extreme enough. All players that aren't willing to commit every fibre of their being should be banned and hunted down like the filthy casuals they are.

So we should ban Welmu, one of the if not the best foreign Protoss, Nerchio, FireCake, HeRoMaRinE, Reynor, Arium, etc (these are just the ones on top of my head, no doubt there are more) and we should have banned VortiX or Polt back in their time. Yeah, sounds legit.

Yes, it disgust me that they dont play 28 hours a day

Nah I got that you were joking, but my point still stands for Musicus d:

As a German I am offended that you think I make jokes
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 26 2015 18:32 GMT
#193
On January 27 2015 03:28 GumBa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2015 03:26 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 27 2015 03:08 GumBa wrote:
On January 27 2015 03:03 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 27 2015 02:49 GumBa wrote:
On January 27 2015 02:34 Musicus wrote:
On January 27 2015 02:22 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 27 2015 00:31 Musicus wrote:
On January 27 2015 00:20 Circumstance wrote:
Let's be clear. For the sake of *logistics*, some would rather blatantly rig the groups to guarantee one region six spots in the Top 16 instead of spreading everyone out to give every region a fair shot for their players to advance?


Yeah I don't get it at all, especially since this was known for a long time. Having artificial groups so players don't have to fly, wtf. Most people aren't even considering that many players love being a progamer because they get to travel. Not every european will hate it that he gets to visit America. If teams had to pay themselves I could understand it, but that's obviously not the case. There is only one way this can be done, and that's the way it is being done.

Being a progamer means you have to be able to fly around the world and still perform, it's part of the job. Rigging the groups so players don't have to fly as far... still feel like people are trolling.

On January 27 2015 00:25 opisska wrote:
Let's way how many players will drop out because of this "logistics" and then we can discuss how fair it is.


Not a single person will drop out because of this, if someone does it's a joke and extremely unprofessional. The only acceptable reason is a vissa issue, but I'm sure Blizzard is working hard to ensure everybody can come, especially the Chinese players.

The only acceptable reason is visa issue? Assuming the groups are being played on weekdays, what about a part-time player having to study, who will potentialy miss several days if he doesn't want to be affected by jetlag? (I don't know if this is a real issue or not, but it seems to me it might be)


I think you should not commit to WCS if work or school could get in the way, you have to be able to schedule around WCS. This is Premiere, this is for Pros. Well if you are in the hospital you can't play, so of course there are other reasons. My statement was too extreme. I hate extreme statements actually .

You weren't extreme enough. All players that aren't willing to commit every fibre of their being should be banned and hunted down like the filthy casuals they are.

So we should ban Welmu, one of the if not the best foreign Protoss, Nerchio, FireCake, HeRoMaRinE, Reynor, Arium, etc (these are just the ones on top of my head, no doubt there are more) and we should have banned VortiX or Polt back in their time. Yeah, sounds legit.

Yes, it disgust me that they dont play 28 hours a day

Nah I got that you were joking, but my point still stands for Musicus d:

As a German I am offended that you think I make jokes

Rofl (x
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-26 18:43:35
January 26 2015 18:40 GMT
#194
On January 27 2015 03:26 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2015 03:08 GumBa wrote:
On January 27 2015 03:03 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 27 2015 02:49 GumBa wrote:
On January 27 2015 02:34 Musicus wrote:
On January 27 2015 02:22 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 27 2015 00:31 Musicus wrote:
On January 27 2015 00:20 Circumstance wrote:
Let's be clear. For the sake of *logistics*, some would rather blatantly rig the groups to guarantee one region six spots in the Top 16 instead of spreading everyone out to give every region a fair shot for their players to advance?


Yeah I don't get it at all, especially since this was known for a long time. Having artificial groups so players don't have to fly, wtf. Most people aren't even considering that many players love being a progamer because they get to travel. Not every european will hate it that he gets to visit America. If teams had to pay themselves I could understand it, but that's obviously not the case. There is only one way this can be done, and that's the way it is being done.

Being a progamer means you have to be able to fly around the world and still perform, it's part of the job. Rigging the groups so players don't have to fly as far... still feel like people are trolling.

On January 27 2015 00:25 opisska wrote:
Let's way how many players will drop out because of this "logistics" and then we can discuss how fair it is.


Not a single person will drop out because of this, if someone does it's a joke and extremely unprofessional. The only acceptable reason is a vissa issue, but I'm sure Blizzard is working hard to ensure everybody can come, especially the Chinese players.

The only acceptable reason is visa issue? Assuming the groups are being played on weekdays, what about a part-time player having to study, who will potentialy miss several days if he doesn't want to be affected by jetlag? (I don't know if this is a real issue or not, but it seems to me it might be)


I think you should not commit to WCS if work or school could get in the way, you have to be able to schedule around WCS. This is Premiere, this is for Pros. Well if you are in the hospital you can't play, so of course there are other reasons. My statement was too extreme. I hate extreme statements actually .

You weren't extreme enough. All players that aren't willing to commit every fibre of their being should be banned and hunted down like the filthy casuals they are.

So we should ban Welmu, one of the if not the best foreign Protoss, Nerchio, FireCake, HeRoMaRinE, Reynor, Arium, etc (these are just the ones on top of my head, no doubt there are more) and we should have banned VortiX or Polt back in their time. Yeah, sounds legit.

Yes, it disgust me that they dont play 28 hours a day

Nah I got that you were joking, but my point still stands for Musicus d:


But I said nothing that would merit your answer. I'm not saying you can't go to school or study while competing in Starcraft. I'm saying that you have to prioritize WCS Premiere and schedule around it. If you can not do that, just don't play WCS. Saying "I'm not coming to the offline part, because the flight is too long and I have to study" is not ok imo. If Heromarine or any of the players you mentioned had qualifed, I'm sure they would've taken a few days of school/university to compete if necessary or postponed any exams, so it's completely fine. Polt is an excellent example of a being a pro, while pursuing an education.

Edit: I also said nothing about banning anyone, I think you really meant GumBa, not getting he was joking. Which he was of course not, since he is German.
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LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
January 26 2015 18:45 GMT
#195
I require a WCS bracket contest
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18641 Posts
January 26 2015 18:46 GMT
#196
Imo WCS should have asked if there are players who would love to travel to Europe/USA before deciding their groups?

OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 26 2015 18:47 GMT
#197
On January 27 2015 03:40 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2015 03:26 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 27 2015 03:08 GumBa wrote:
On January 27 2015 03:03 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 27 2015 02:49 GumBa wrote:
On January 27 2015 02:34 Musicus wrote:
On January 27 2015 02:22 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 27 2015 00:31 Musicus wrote:
On January 27 2015 00:20 Circumstance wrote:
Let's be clear. For the sake of *logistics*, some would rather blatantly rig the groups to guarantee one region six spots in the Top 16 instead of spreading everyone out to give every region a fair shot for their players to advance?


Yeah I don't get it at all, especially since this was known for a long time. Having artificial groups so players don't have to fly, wtf. Most people aren't even considering that many players love being a progamer because they get to travel. Not every european will hate it that he gets to visit America. If teams had to pay themselves I could understand it, but that's obviously not the case. There is only one way this can be done, and that's the way it is being done.

Being a progamer means you have to be able to fly around the world and still perform, it's part of the job. Rigging the groups so players don't have to fly as far... still feel like people are trolling.

On January 27 2015 00:25 opisska wrote:
Let's way how many players will drop out because of this "logistics" and then we can discuss how fair it is.


Not a single person will drop out because of this, if someone does it's a joke and extremely unprofessional. The only acceptable reason is a vissa issue, but I'm sure Blizzard is working hard to ensure everybody can come, especially the Chinese players.

The only acceptable reason is visa issue? Assuming the groups are being played on weekdays, what about a part-time player having to study, who will potentialy miss several days if he doesn't want to be affected by jetlag? (I don't know if this is a real issue or not, but it seems to me it might be)


I think you should not commit to WCS if work or school could get in the way, you have to be able to schedule around WCS. This is Premiere, this is for Pros. Well if you are in the hospital you can't play, so of course there are other reasons. My statement was too extreme. I hate extreme statements actually .

You weren't extreme enough. All players that aren't willing to commit every fibre of their being should be banned and hunted down like the filthy casuals they are.

So we should ban Welmu, one of the if not the best foreign Protoss, Nerchio, FireCake, HeRoMaRinE, Reynor, Arium, etc (these are just the ones on top of my head, no doubt there are more) and we should have banned VortiX or Polt back in their time. Yeah, sounds legit.

Yes, it disgust me that they dont play 28 hours a day

Nah I got that you were joking, but my point still stands for Musicus d:


But I said nothing that would merit your answer. I'm not saying you can't go to school or study while competing in Starcraft. I'm saying that you have to prioritize WCS Premiere and schedule around it. If you can not do that, just don't play WCS. Saying "I'm not coming to the offline part, because the flight is too long and I have to study" is not ok imo. If Heromarine or any of the players you mentioned had qualifed, I'm sure they would've taken a few days of school/university to compete if necessary or postponed any exams, so it's completely fine. Polt is an excellent example of a being a pro, while pursuing an education.

Edit: I also said nothing about banning anyone, I think you really meant GumBa, not getting he was joking. Which he was of course not, since he is German.

Hmm but what I mean was that it would probably in the best interest of everyone to make it easier for players by reducing the potential sacrifices they have to make instead of the opposite. And "should not commit to WCS" when WCS is the prime event of the foreign scene sounds to me like a nicer way of de facto banning them. But well, since that's not going to change anything that's a pointless argument anyway.
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Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
January 26 2015 18:48 GMT
#198
On January 27 2015 03:21 magicallypuzzled wrote:
yeah I don't get it either what exactly was wrong with the way the groups were drawn?



It offenses that some players know where they gonna play and others do not know it. And if you concider that Germany (4 of 8 Visa Groups ) and USA (the other 4) have sometimes strange visa problems when it comes to esport-athlets form RoC and PRC, we hope that WCS does not throw this up.
And yeah a pure ZvZ Group... but that is biased.

This whole season 1 is a serious mess:
Extremly late mappool that GSL plays on its own and we still now know (and possibly the players too) on what maps they play the premiere.
Playdates announced really late while you know every GSL Playday, WCS tells you some dates 5-7 days before they go.
Players from LA didnt know where to attend for the LA Qualifier for long time
Now some players are allowed to choose where to play (PIG), others have been told where they play (Targa) and other just sit in the blue and guess what? Dont know if they need a visa and if they have to play next week in some land where they dont get one in time.
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-26 18:53:03
January 26 2015 18:52 GMT
#199
On January 27 2015 03:47 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2015 03:40 Musicus wrote:
On January 27 2015 03:26 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 27 2015 03:08 GumBa wrote:
On January 27 2015 03:03 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 27 2015 02:49 GumBa wrote:
On January 27 2015 02:34 Musicus wrote:
On January 27 2015 02:22 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 27 2015 00:31 Musicus wrote:
On January 27 2015 00:20 Circumstance wrote:
Let's be clear. For the sake of *logistics*, some would rather blatantly rig the groups to guarantee one region six spots in the Top 16 instead of spreading everyone out to give every region a fair shot for their players to advance?


Yeah I don't get it at all, especially since this was known for a long time. Having artificial groups so players don't have to fly, wtf. Most people aren't even considering that many players love being a progamer because they get to travel. Not every european will hate it that he gets to visit America. If teams had to pay themselves I could understand it, but that's obviously not the case. There is only one way this can be done, and that's the way it is being done.

Being a progamer means you have to be able to fly around the world and still perform, it's part of the job. Rigging the groups so players don't have to fly as far... still feel like people are trolling.

On January 27 2015 00:25 opisska wrote:
Let's way how many players will drop out because of this "logistics" and then we can discuss how fair it is.


Not a single person will drop out because of this, if someone does it's a joke and extremely unprofessional. The only acceptable reason is a vissa issue, but I'm sure Blizzard is working hard to ensure everybody can come, especially the Chinese players.

The only acceptable reason is visa issue? Assuming the groups are being played on weekdays, what about a part-time player having to study, who will potentialy miss several days if he doesn't want to be affected by jetlag? (I don't know if this is a real issue or not, but it seems to me it might be)


I think you should not commit to WCS if work or school could get in the way, you have to be able to schedule around WCS. This is Premiere, this is for Pros. Well if you are in the hospital you can't play, so of course there are other reasons. My statement was too extreme. I hate extreme statements actually .

You weren't extreme enough. All players that aren't willing to commit every fibre of their being should be banned and hunted down like the filthy casuals they are.

So we should ban Welmu, one of the if not the best foreign Protoss, Nerchio, FireCake, HeRoMaRinE, Reynor, Arium, etc (these are just the ones on top of my head, no doubt there are more) and we should have banned VortiX or Polt back in their time. Yeah, sounds legit.

Yes, it disgust me that they dont play 28 hours a day

Nah I got that you were joking, but my point still stands for Musicus d:


But I said nothing that would merit your answer. I'm not saying you can't go to school or study while competing in Starcraft. I'm saying that you have to prioritize WCS Premiere and schedule around it. If you can not do that, just don't play WCS. Saying "I'm not coming to the offline part, because the flight is too long and I have to study" is not ok imo. If Heromarine or any of the players you mentioned had qualifed, I'm sure they would've taken a few days of school/university to compete if necessary or postponed any exams, so it's completely fine. Polt is an excellent example of a being a pro, while pursuing an education.

Edit: I also said nothing about banning anyone, I think you really meant GumBa, not getting he was joking. Which he was of course not, since he is German.

Hmm but what I mean was that it would probably in the best interest of everyone to make it easier for players by reducing the potential sacrifices they have to make instead of the opposite. And "should not commit to WCS" when WCS is the prime event of the foreign scene sounds to me like a nicer way of de facto banning them. But well, since that's not going to change anything that's a pointless argument anyway.

I also think it's a pointless argument, since the pros aren't even complaining. They will just go and compete, doesn't matter where they have to fly or if they have to skip school for a few days, since, well, they are pros. Once a player drops out we can continue our discussion and then I will argue, that that player should never have comitted to WCS Premier if he can't schedule around it.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Stormhoof
Profile Joined January 2015
Serbia182 Posts
January 26 2015 19:02 GMT
#200
They are used to travel often + this is, for me at least, the funniest WCS ever since you do not have chance often to see how are NA pros doing vs certain EU pros. Every tournament is pretty much same, but for me, matchups like Targa vs MajOr, uThermal or Bunny vs Astrea or Snute vs Kane are not something you can see everyday, especially on big stage like this. So, this WCS is something I am most looking forward to for last couple of years, so excited. Personally, I am sick of watching same people dominating NA and EU WCS like San, MC, MMA, always same people. This way is so much better and if you like Koreans you can go and watch GSL/SSL. I would prefer more if this Koreans were not able to participate so we could have full NA/EU WCS but that's other subject.
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