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ossavi09
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany441 Posts
January 26 2015 19:03 GMT
#201
Did you guys notice that 3 Players from the upper side of the bracket of EU's lastchance-qual made it into premier, while none of the players from the other bracketside made it? It's so funny as so many ppl on TL/Reddit/Twitter were complaining about the too strong lower side of the bracket =P
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
January 26 2015 19:06 GMT
#202
On January 27 2015 03:52 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2015 03:47 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 27 2015 03:40 Musicus wrote:
On January 27 2015 03:26 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 27 2015 03:08 GumBa wrote:
On January 27 2015 03:03 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 27 2015 02:49 GumBa wrote:
On January 27 2015 02:34 Musicus wrote:
On January 27 2015 02:22 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 27 2015 00:31 Musicus wrote:
[quote]

Yeah I don't get it at all, especially since this was known for a long time. Having artificial groups so players don't have to fly, wtf. Most people aren't even considering that many players love being a progamer because they get to travel. Not every european will hate it that he gets to visit America. If teams had to pay themselves I could understand it, but that's obviously not the case. There is only one way this can be done, and that's the way it is being done.

Being a progamer means you have to be able to fly around the world and still perform, it's part of the job. Rigging the groups so players don't have to fly as far... still feel like people are trolling.

[quote]

Not a single person will drop out because of this, if someone does it's a joke and extremely unprofessional. The only acceptable reason is a vissa issue, but I'm sure Blizzard is working hard to ensure everybody can come, especially the Chinese players.

The only acceptable reason is visa issue? Assuming the groups are being played on weekdays, what about a part-time player having to study, who will potentialy miss several days if he doesn't want to be affected by jetlag? (I don't know if this is a real issue or not, but it seems to me it might be)


I think you should not commit to WCS if work or school could get in the way, you have to be able to schedule around WCS. This is Premiere, this is for Pros. Well if you are in the hospital you can't play, so of course there are other reasons. My statement was too extreme. I hate extreme statements actually .

You weren't extreme enough. All players that aren't willing to commit every fibre of their being should be banned and hunted down like the filthy casuals they are.

So we should ban Welmu, one of the if not the best foreign Protoss, Nerchio, FireCake, HeRoMaRinE, Reynor, Arium, etc (these are just the ones on top of my head, no doubt there are more) and we should have banned VortiX or Polt back in their time. Yeah, sounds legit.

Yes, it disgust me that they dont play 28 hours a day

Nah I got that you were joking, but my point still stands for Musicus d:


But I said nothing that would merit your answer. I'm not saying you can't go to school or study while competing in Starcraft. I'm saying that you have to prioritize WCS Premiere and schedule around it. If you can not do that, just don't play WCS. Saying "I'm not coming to the offline part, because the flight is too long and I have to study" is not ok imo. If Heromarine or any of the players you mentioned had qualifed, I'm sure they would've taken a few days of school/university to compete if necessary or postponed any exams, so it's completely fine. Polt is an excellent example of a being a pro, while pursuing an education.

Edit: I also said nothing about banning anyone, I think you really meant GumBa, not getting he was joking. Which he was of course not, since he is German.

Hmm but what I mean was that it would probably in the best interest of everyone to make it easier for players by reducing the potential sacrifices they have to make instead of the opposite. And "should not commit to WCS" when WCS is the prime event of the foreign scene sounds to me like a nicer way of de facto banning them. But well, since that's not going to change anything that's a pointless argument anyway.

I also think it's a pointless argument, since the pros aren't even complaining. They will just go and compete, doesn't matter where they have to fly or if they have to skip school for a few days, since, well, they are pros. Once a player drops out we can continue our discussion and then I will argue, that that player should never have comitted to WCS Premier if he can't schedule around it.

But more EXTREME pls
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
January 26 2015 19:16 GMT
#203
On January 27 2015 04:06 GumBa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2015 03:52 Musicus wrote:
On January 27 2015 03:47 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 27 2015 03:40 Musicus wrote:
On January 27 2015 03:26 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 27 2015 03:08 GumBa wrote:
On January 27 2015 03:03 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 27 2015 02:49 GumBa wrote:
On January 27 2015 02:34 Musicus wrote:
On January 27 2015 02:22 OtherWorld wrote:
[quote]
The only acceptable reason is visa issue? Assuming the groups are being played on weekdays, what about a part-time player having to study, who will potentialy miss several days if he doesn't want to be affected by jetlag? (I don't know if this is a real issue or not, but it seems to me it might be)


I think you should not commit to WCS if work or school could get in the way, you have to be able to schedule around WCS. This is Premiere, this is for Pros. Well if you are in the hospital you can't play, so of course there are other reasons. My statement was too extreme. I hate extreme statements actually .

You weren't extreme enough. All players that aren't willing to commit every fibre of their being should be banned and hunted down like the filthy casuals they are.

So we should ban Welmu, one of the if not the best foreign Protoss, Nerchio, FireCake, HeRoMaRinE, Reynor, Arium, etc (these are just the ones on top of my head, no doubt there are more) and we should have banned VortiX or Polt back in their time. Yeah, sounds legit.

Yes, it disgust me that they dont play 28 hours a day

Nah I got that you were joking, but my point still stands for Musicus d:


But I said nothing that would merit your answer. I'm not saying you can't go to school or study while competing in Starcraft. I'm saying that you have to prioritize WCS Premiere and schedule around it. If you can not do that, just don't play WCS. Saying "I'm not coming to the offline part, because the flight is too long and I have to study" is not ok imo. If Heromarine or any of the players you mentioned had qualifed, I'm sure they would've taken a few days of school/university to compete if necessary or postponed any exams, so it's completely fine. Polt is an excellent example of a being a pro, while pursuing an education.

Edit: I also said nothing about banning anyone, I think you really meant GumBa, not getting he was joking. Which he was of course not, since he is German.

Hmm but what I mean was that it would probably in the best interest of everyone to make it easier for players by reducing the potential sacrifices they have to make instead of the opposite. And "should not commit to WCS" when WCS is the prime event of the foreign scene sounds to me like a nicer way of de facto banning them. But well, since that's not going to change anything that's a pointless argument anyway.

I also think it's a pointless argument, since the pros aren't even complaining. They will just go and compete, doesn't matter where they have to fly or if they have to skip school for a few days, since, well, they are pros. Once a player drops out we can continue our discussion and then I will argue, that that player should never have comitted to WCS Premier if he can't schedule around it.

But more EXTREME pls



Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
January 26 2015 19:23 GMT
#204
Is it WCS Europe or America?
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
January 26 2015 19:24 GMT
#205
On January 27 2015 04:23 ne4aJIb wrote:
Is it WCS Europe or America?


It's just WCS Premiere. You have Korea with GSL/SSL. And then you have everything else combined in WCS Premiere.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
January 26 2015 19:27 GMT
#206
On January 27 2015 04:16 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2015 04:06 GumBa wrote:
On January 27 2015 03:52 Musicus wrote:
On January 27 2015 03:47 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 27 2015 03:40 Musicus wrote:
On January 27 2015 03:26 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 27 2015 03:08 GumBa wrote:
On January 27 2015 03:03 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 27 2015 02:49 GumBa wrote:
On January 27 2015 02:34 Musicus wrote:
[quote]

I think you should not commit to WCS if work or school could get in the way, you have to be able to schedule around WCS. This is Premiere, this is for Pros. Well if you are in the hospital you can't play, so of course there are other reasons. My statement was too extreme. I hate extreme statements actually .

You weren't extreme enough. All players that aren't willing to commit every fibre of their being should be banned and hunted down like the filthy casuals they are.

So we should ban Welmu, one of the if not the best foreign Protoss, Nerchio, FireCake, HeRoMaRinE, Reynor, Arium, etc (these are just the ones on top of my head, no doubt there are more) and we should have banned VortiX or Polt back in their time. Yeah, sounds legit.

Yes, it disgust me that they dont play 28 hours a day

Nah I got that you were joking, but my point still stands for Musicus d:


But I said nothing that would merit your answer. I'm not saying you can't go to school or study while competing in Starcraft. I'm saying that you have to prioritize WCS Premiere and schedule around it. If you can not do that, just don't play WCS. Saying "I'm not coming to the offline part, because the flight is too long and I have to study" is not ok imo. If Heromarine or any of the players you mentioned had qualifed, I'm sure they would've taken a few days of school/university to compete if necessary or postponed any exams, so it's completely fine. Polt is an excellent example of a being a pro, while pursuing an education.

Edit: I also said nothing about banning anyone, I think you really meant GumBa, not getting he was joking. Which he was of course not, since he is German.

Hmm but what I mean was that it would probably in the best interest of everyone to make it easier for players by reducing the potential sacrifices they have to make instead of the opposite. And "should not commit to WCS" when WCS is the prime event of the foreign scene sounds to me like a nicer way of de facto banning them. But well, since that's not going to change anything that's a pointless argument anyway.

I also think it's a pointless argument, since the pros aren't even complaining. They will just go and compete, doesn't matter where they have to fly or if they have to skip school for a few days, since, well, they are pros. Once a player drops out we can continue our discussion and then I will argue, that that player should never have comitted to WCS Premier if he can't schedule around it.

But more EXTREME pls


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI__EW_fPJs

Now that's EXTREME
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
babobbyj
Profile Joined June 2013
636 Posts
January 26 2015 19:35 GMT
#207
lol this whole college/university/school debate is funny as fuck!

If you cant take a week off to go play, then u basicly cant even play starcraft either so, lulz, the discussion is invalid.
A week off is NOTHING, hell, they can study before and after the matches. What if u got sick for a week? If that means u would fail whatever ur studying, trust me, ur not fit for school. Sigh, sometimes..
Bad Ass Bobby Johnson, a.k.a. Valiante
tomastaz
Profile Joined January 2013
United States976 Posts
January 26 2015 19:37 GMT
#208
Nice I like it!
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Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
January 26 2015 19:50 GMT
#209
On January 27 2015 04:02 ZeRoX_TV wrote:
They are used to travel often + this is, for me at least, the funniest WCS ever since you do not have chance often to see how are NA pros doing vs certain EU pros. Every tournament is pretty much same, but for me, matchups like Targa vs MajOr, uThermal or Bunny vs Astrea or Snute vs Kane are not something you can see everyday, especially on big stage like this. So, this WCS is something I am most looking forward to for last couple of years, so excited. Personally, I am sick of watching same people dominating NA and EU WCS like San, MC, MMA, always same people. This way is so much better and if you like Koreans you can go and watch GSL/SSL. I would prefer more if this Koreans were not able to participate so we could have full NA/EU WCS but that's other subject.


I like to see the best plays possible. Without the koreans the skillrate of the training condition of all non teamhouse members in EU dropped due to the ladderskill drop.
I really hyped the strongest plays of the koreans and korean vs foreigner was allways about "can it happen" (and when it happend, it was like has style and all remembered it for quite some time). And also this time with the challanger: Can Marinelord do it? Can Masa bring it on point?

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Beavo
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada293 Posts
January 26 2015 20:30 GMT
#210
These groups are wayyy less exciting that they used to be
No one remembers second place
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7104 Posts
January 26 2015 20:44 GMT
#211
To me this WCS will be the most exciting after the 2012 one.
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movac
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada494 Posts
January 26 2015 20:46 GMT
#212
so WCS is now a handing out seasonal checks to Polt, ForGG and Hydra? The region locking is great and all, but if only even filtered out the koreans despite residency. Now we always have to expect the same 3 or 4 koreans in ro 8 or ro4.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
January 26 2015 20:47 GMT
#213
I still think the best thing is that the finals are at a real venue and not in the studio .
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18401 Posts
January 26 2015 20:49 GMT
#214
On January 27 2015 05:46 movac wrote:
so WCS is now a handing out seasonal checks to Polt, ForGG and Hydra? The region locking is great and all, but if only even filtered out the koreans despite residency. Now we always have to expect the same 3 or 4 koreans in ro 8 or ro4.


Polt, forgg and hydra all decided to commit their lives to USA/Europe, why shouldnt they be allowed to play in wcs? They live there, give money to US/Europe economy, pay their taxes.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 26 2015 20:50 GMT
#215
On January 27 2015 05:47 Musicus wrote:
I still think the best thing is that the finals are at a real venue and not in the studio .

That's true, it's going to be pretty great.

On January 27 2015 05:49 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2015 05:46 movac wrote:
so WCS is now a handing out seasonal checks to Polt, ForGG and Hydra? The region locking is great and all, but if only even filtered out the koreans despite residency. Now we always have to expect the same 3 or 4 koreans in ro 8 or ro4.


Polt, forgg and hydra all decided to commit their lives to USA/Europe, why shouldnt they be allowed to play in wcs? They live there, give money to US/Europe economy, pay their taxes.

On point.
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GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
January 26 2015 20:54 GMT
#216
On January 27 2015 05:49 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2015 05:46 movac wrote:
so WCS is now a handing out seasonal checks to Polt, ForGG and Hydra? The region locking is great and all, but if only even filtered out the koreans despite residency. Now we always have to expect the same 3 or 4 koreans in ro 8 or ro4.


Polt, forgg and hydra all decided to commit their lives to USA/Europe, why shouldnt they be allowed to play in wcs? They live there, give money to US/Europe economy, pay their taxes.

It would literally be rascist to exclude them at this point just because of their nationality.
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
movac
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada494 Posts
January 26 2015 21:00 GMT
#217
I'm not saying to exclude them based on nationality. I'm just saying they're at a drastically higher skill compared to the others, there's zero suspense in terms of who will make the playoff brackets. notice that I didn't include violet in that comment since he seems more beatable at this point compared to Polt, forGG and Hydra.
Curufinwe Feanor
Profile Joined August 2012
Brazil91 Posts
January 26 2015 21:01 GMT
#218
bunch of missinformed ppl...Kelazhur is gona roll over group 5
Aure Entüluva
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
January 26 2015 21:03 GMT
#219
On January 27 2015 06:00 movac wrote:
I'm not saying to exclude them based on nationality. I'm just saying they're at a drastically higher skill compared to the others, there's zero suspense in terms of who will make the playoff brackets. notice that I didn't include violet in that comment since he seems more beatable at this point compared to Polt, forGG and Hydra.

That's a stupid reason. Sorry you can't compete even though you fufill all the requirments cause you are too good and we think that's unfair.
Also some of the top foreigners definetly have a chance of beating the koreans participating
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
January 26 2015 21:03 GMT
#220
On January 27 2015 04:03 ossavi09 wrote:
Did you guys notice that 3 Players from the upper side of the bracket of EU's lastchance-qual made it into premier, while none of the players from the other bracketside made it? It's so funny as so many ppl on TL/Reddit/Twitter were complaining about the too strong lower side of the bracket =P


people tend to overrate names instead of looking who beat who in the 6 qualifiers.
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