Did you guys notice that 3 Players from the upper side of the bracket of EU's lastchance-qual made it into premier, while none of the players from the other bracketside made it? It's so funny as so many ppl on TL/Reddit/Twitter were complaining about the too strong lower side of the bracket =P
Yeah I don't get it at all, especially since this was known for a long time. Having artificial groups so players don't have to fly, wtf. Most people aren't even considering that many players love being a progamer because they get to travel. Not every european will hate it that he gets to visit America. If teams had to pay themselves I could understand it, but that's obviously not the case. There is only one way this can be done, and that's the way it is being done.
Being a progamer means you have to be able to fly around the world and still perform, it's part of the job. Rigging the groups so players don't have to fly as far... still feel like people are trolling.
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Not a single person will drop out because of this, if someone does it's a joke and extremely unprofessional. The only acceptable reason is a vissa issue, but I'm sure Blizzard is working hard to ensure everybody can come, especially the Chinese players.
The only acceptable reason is visa issue? Assuming the groups are being played on weekdays, what about a part-time player having to study, who will potentialy miss several days if he doesn't want to be affected by jetlag? (I don't know if this is a real issue or not, but it seems to me it might be)
I think you should not commit to WCS if work or school could get in the way, you have to be able to schedule around WCS. This is Premiere, this is for Pros. Well if you are in the hospital you can't play, so of course there are other reasons. My statement was too extreme. I hate extreme statements actually .
You weren't extreme enough. All players that aren't willing to commit every fibre of their being should be banned and hunted down like the filthy casuals they are.
So we should ban Welmu, one of the if not the best foreign Protoss, Nerchio, FireCake, HeRoMaRinE, Reynor, Arium, etc (these are just the ones on top of my head, no doubt there are more) and we should have banned VortiX or Polt back in their time. Yeah, sounds legit.
Yes, it disgust me that they dont play 28 hours a day
Nah I got that you were joking, but my point still stands for Musicus d:
But I said nothing that would merit your answer. I'm not saying you can't go to school or study while competing in Starcraft. I'm saying that you have to prioritize WCS Premiere and schedule around it. If you can not do that, just don't play WCS. Saying "I'm not coming to the offline part, because the flight is too long and I have to study" is not ok imo. If Heromarine or any of the players you mentioned had qualifed, I'm sure they would've taken a few days of school/university to compete if necessary or postponed any exams, so it's completely fine. Polt is an excellent example of a being a pro, while pursuing an education.
Edit: I also said nothing about banning anyone, I think you really meant GumBa, not getting he was joking. Which he was of course not, since he is German.
Hmm but what I mean was that it would probably in the best interest of everyone to make it easier for players by reducing the potential sacrifices they have to make instead of the opposite. And "should not commit to WCS" when WCS is the prime event of the foreign scene sounds to me like a nicer way of de facto banning them. But well, since that's not going to change anything that's a pointless argument anyway.
I also think it's a pointless argument, since the pros aren't even complaining. They will just go and compete, doesn't matter where they have to fly or if they have to skip school for a few days, since, well, they are pros. Once a player drops out we can continue our discussion and then I will argue, that that player should never have comitted to WCS Premier if he can't schedule around it.
On January 27 2015 02:22 OtherWorld wrote: [quote] The only acceptable reason is visa issue? Assuming the groups are being played on weekdays, what about a part-time player having to study, who will potentialy miss several days if he doesn't want to be affected by jetlag? (I don't know if this is a real issue or not, but it seems to me it might be)
I think you should not commit to WCS if work or school could get in the way, you have to be able to schedule around WCS. This is Premiere, this is for Pros. Well if you are in the hospital you can't play, so of course there are other reasons. My statement was too extreme. I hate extreme statements actually .
You weren't extreme enough. All players that aren't willing to commit every fibre of their being should be banned and hunted down like the filthy casuals they are.
So we should ban Welmu, one of the if not the best foreign Protoss, Nerchio, FireCake, HeRoMaRinE, Reynor, Arium, etc (these are just the ones on top of my head, no doubt there are more) and we should have banned VortiX or Polt back in their time. Yeah, sounds legit.
Yes, it disgust me that they dont play 28 hours a day
Nah I got that you were joking, but my point still stands for Musicus d:
But I said nothing that would merit your answer. I'm not saying you can't go to school or study while competing in Starcraft. I'm saying that you have to prioritize WCS Premiere and schedule around it. If you can not do that, just don't play WCS. Saying "I'm not coming to the offline part, because the flight is too long and I have to study" is not ok imo. If Heromarine or any of the players you mentioned had qualifed, I'm sure they would've taken a few days of school/university to compete if necessary or postponed any exams, so it's completely fine. Polt is an excellent example of a being a pro, while pursuing an education.
Edit: I also said nothing about banning anyone, I think you really meant GumBa, not getting he was joking. Which he was of course not, since he is German.
Hmm but what I mean was that it would probably in the best interest of everyone to make it easier for players by reducing the potential sacrifices they have to make instead of the opposite. And "should not commit to WCS" when WCS is the prime event of the foreign scene sounds to me like a nicer way of de facto banning them. But well, since that's not going to change anything that's a pointless argument anyway.
I also think it's a pointless argument, since the pros aren't even complaining. They will just go and compete, doesn't matter where they have to fly or if they have to skip school for a few days, since, well, they are pros. Once a player drops out we can continue our discussion and then I will argue, that that player should never have comitted to WCS Premier if he can't schedule around it.
I think you should not commit to WCS if work or school could get in the way, you have to be able to schedule around WCS. This is Premiere, this is for Pros. Well if you are in the hospital you can't play, so of course there are other reasons. My statement was too extreme. I hate extreme statements actually .
You weren't extreme enough. All players that aren't willing to commit every fibre of their being should be banned and hunted down like the filthy casuals they are.
So we should ban Welmu, one of the if not the best foreign Protoss, Nerchio, FireCake, HeRoMaRinE, Reynor, Arium, etc (these are just the ones on top of my head, no doubt there are more) and we should have banned VortiX or Polt back in their time. Yeah, sounds legit.
Yes, it disgust me that they dont play 28 hours a day
Nah I got that you were joking, but my point still stands for Musicus d:
But I said nothing that would merit your answer. I'm not saying you can't go to school or study while competing in Starcraft. I'm saying that you have to prioritize WCS Premiere and schedule around it. If you can not do that, just don't play WCS. Saying "I'm not coming to the offline part, because the flight is too long and I have to study" is not ok imo. If Heromarine or any of the players you mentioned had qualifed, I'm sure they would've taken a few days of school/university to compete if necessary or postponed any exams, so it's completely fine. Polt is an excellent example of a being a pro, while pursuing an education.
Edit: I also said nothing about banning anyone, I think you really meant GumBa, not getting he was joking. Which he was of course not, since he is German.
Hmm but what I mean was that it would probably in the best interest of everyone to make it easier for players by reducing the potential sacrifices they have to make instead of the opposite. And "should not commit to WCS" when WCS is the prime event of the foreign scene sounds to me like a nicer way of de facto banning them. But well, since that's not going to change anything that's a pointless argument anyway.
I also think it's a pointless argument, since the pros aren't even complaining. They will just go and compete, doesn't matter where they have to fly or if they have to skip school for a few days, since, well, they are pros. Once a player drops out we can continue our discussion and then I will argue, that that player should never have comitted to WCS Premier if he can't schedule around it.
lol this whole college/university/school debate is funny as fuck!
If you cant take a week off to go play, then u basicly cant even play starcraft either so, lulz, the discussion is invalid. A week off is NOTHING, hell, they can study before and after the matches. What if u got sick for a week? If that means u would fail whatever ur studying, trust me, ur not fit for school. Sigh, sometimes..
On January 27 2015 04:02 ZeRoX_TV wrote: They are used to travel often + this is, for me at least, the funniest WCS ever since you do not have chance often to see how are NA pros doing vs certain EU pros. Every tournament is pretty much same, but for me, matchups like Targa vs MajOr, uThermal or Bunny vs Astrea or Snute vs Kane are not something you can see everyday, especially on big stage like this. So, this WCS is something I am most looking forward to for last couple of years, so excited. Personally, I am sick of watching same people dominating NA and EU WCS like San, MC, MMA, always same people. This way is so much better and if you like Koreans you can go and watch GSL/SSL. I would prefer more if this Koreans were not able to participate so we could have full NA/EU WCS but that's other subject.
I like to see the best plays possible. Without the koreans the skillrate of the training condition of all non teamhouse members in EU dropped due to the ladderskill drop. I really hyped the strongest plays of the koreans and korean vs foreigner was allways about "can it happen" (and when it happend, it was like has style and all remembered it for quite some time). And also this time with the challanger: Can Marinelord do it? Can Masa bring it on point?
so WCS is now a handing out seasonal checks to Polt, ForGG and Hydra? The region locking is great and all, but if only even filtered out the koreans despite residency. Now we always have to expect the same 3 or 4 koreans in ro 8 or ro4.
On January 27 2015 05:46 movac wrote: so WCS is now a handing out seasonal checks to Polt, ForGG and Hydra? The region locking is great and all, but if only even filtered out the koreans despite residency. Now we always have to expect the same 3 or 4 koreans in ro 8 or ro4.
Polt, forgg and hydra all decided to commit their lives to USA/Europe, why shouldnt they be allowed to play in wcs? They live there, give money to US/Europe economy, pay their taxes.
On January 27 2015 05:46 movac wrote: so WCS is now a handing out seasonal checks to Polt, ForGG and Hydra? The region locking is great and all, but if only even filtered out the koreans despite residency. Now we always have to expect the same 3 or 4 koreans in ro 8 or ro4.
Polt, forgg and hydra all decided to commit their lives to USA/Europe, why shouldnt they be allowed to play in wcs? They live there, give money to US/Europe economy, pay their taxes.
On January 27 2015 05:46 movac wrote: so WCS is now a handing out seasonal checks to Polt, ForGG and Hydra? The region locking is great and all, but if only even filtered out the koreans despite residency. Now we always have to expect the same 3 or 4 koreans in ro 8 or ro4.
Polt, forgg and hydra all decided to commit their lives to USA/Europe, why shouldnt they be allowed to play in wcs? They live there, give money to US/Europe economy, pay their taxes.
It would literally be rascist to exclude them at this point just because of their nationality.
I'm not saying to exclude them based on nationality. I'm just saying they're at a drastically higher skill compared to the others, there's zero suspense in terms of who will make the playoff brackets. notice that I didn't include violet in that comment since he seems more beatable at this point compared to Polt, forGG and Hydra.
On January 27 2015 06:00 movac wrote: I'm not saying to exclude them based on nationality. I'm just saying they're at a drastically higher skill compared to the others, there's zero suspense in terms of who will make the playoff brackets. notice that I didn't include violet in that comment since he seems more beatable at this point compared to Polt, forGG and Hydra.
That's a stupid reason. Sorry you can't compete even though you fufill all the requirments cause you are too good and we think that's unfair. Also some of the top foreigners definetly have a chance of beating the koreans participating
On January 27 2015 04:03 ossavi09 wrote: Did you guys notice that 3 Players from the upper side of the bracket of EU's lastchance-qual made it into premier, while none of the players from the other bracketside made it? It's so funny as so many ppl on TL/Reddit/Twitter were complaining about the too strong lower side of the bracket =P
people tend to overrate names instead of looking who beat who in the 6 qualifiers.
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