On January 27 2015 06:36 Thax wrote: Damn, some of the opinions in this thread... People should be banned from competition because they're too good? I'd like to see someone try that on the world cup. "Well Germany and Brazil can't play, that's unfair for the rest of the world." The competition should be scheduled around the demands of semi-pros? They're still pro's. The format was known up front. If the schedule is going to be a problem for someone, then he shouldn't have committed to the tournament. That's the "pro" part of being a pro-gamer. Professional athletes that still need to hold jobs to be able to make due or are still studying travel to compete all the time.
Anyway, I'm SO looking forward to this. Much more exciting and interesting than the separate tournaments for EU and US.
This idea that "pros must deliver X, because they are pros" is incredibly ignorant of the real state of the scene. Please stop pretending that we are drowning in money and that the foreign SC2 easily supports dozens of people as full-time pros, because that just does not happen. These people have to something else in their lives besides SC2, if they want to eat and live somewhere or have any future. Who do you think you are to demand that people give up everything for you to watch it?
If you really wish to see only those who are 100% commited to SC2 and close the competition for anyone else, there is a very easy answer how to hold Ro32: not at all, because there won't be 32 players to compete.
What are you even on about? I'm well aware of the state of e-sport earnings. I didn't say anything to the contrary. I'm also not demanding anything from anyone. I sure as hell never said anything about closing people out who or not 100% committed or any such nonsense. Of course they have to have a job, or more likely since a lot of them are very young and still in studying, live with their parents to support themselves. My argument is that, newsflash, this is true for a lot of sports and competitions. Belgium has a female boxer who is the current world champion in her weight class in all 3 (!) the major organisations she competes in. Guess what? She's "only" a part time pro and has a job to make ends meet. This is true for a lot of athletes in "minor" sports or even people who don't compete at the top in "bigger" sports. They somehow all manage to schedule their lives around their athletic's careers.
So your argument is simply that because idiocy exists in other sports, it needs to be imported to SC2 asap?
On January 27 2015 06:36 Thax wrote: Damn, some of the opinions in this thread... People should be banned from competition because they're too good? I'd like to see someone try that on the world cup. "Well Germany and Brazil can't play, that's unfair for the rest of the world." The competition should be scheduled around the demands of semi-pros? They're still pro's. The format was known up front. If the schedule is going to be a problem for someone, then he shouldn't have committed to the tournament. That's the "pro" part of being a pro-gamer. Professional athletes that still need to hold jobs to be able to make due or are still studying travel to compete all the time.
Anyway, I'm SO looking forward to this. Much more exciting and interesting than the separate tournaments for EU and US.
This idea that "pros must deliver X, because they are pros" is incredibly ignorant of the real state of the scene. Please stop pretending that we are drowning in money and that the foreign SC2 easily supports dozens of people as full-time pros, because that just does not happen. These people have to something else in their lives besides SC2, if they want to eat and live somewhere or have any future. Who do you think you are to demand that people give up everything for you to watch it?
If you really wish to see only those who are 100% commited to SC2 and close the competition for anyone else, there is a very easy answer how to hold Ro32: not at all, because there won't be 32 players to compete.
What are you even on about? I'm well aware of the state of e-sport earnings. I didn't say anything to the contrary. I'm also not demanding anything from anyone. I sure as hell never said anything about closing people out who or not 100% committed or any such nonsense. Of course they have to have a job, or more likely since a lot of them are very young and still in studying, live with their parents to support themselves. My argument is that, newsflash, this is true for a lot of sports and competitions. Belgium has a female boxer who is the current world champion in her weight class in all 3 (!) the major organisations she competes in. Guess what? She's "only" a part time pro and has a job to make ends meet. This is true for a lot of athletes in "minor" sports or even people who don't compete at the top in "bigger" sports. They somehow all manage to schedule their lives around their athletic's careers.
So your argument is simply that because idiocy exists in other sports, it needs to be imported to SC2 asap?
Yes, that's it exactly. Nailed it. I applaud your reading comprehension skills.
On January 27 2015 06:36 Thax wrote: Damn, some of the opinions in this thread... People should be banned from competition because they're too good? I'd like to see someone try that on the world cup. "Well Germany and Brazil can't play, that's unfair for the rest of the world." The competition should be scheduled around the demands of semi-pros? They're still pro's. The format was known up front. If the schedule is going to be a problem for someone, then he shouldn't have committed to the tournament. That's the "pro" part of being a pro-gamer. Professional athletes that still need to hold jobs to be able to make due or are still studying travel to compete all the time.
Anyway, I'm SO looking forward to this. Much more exciting and interesting than the separate tournaments for EU and US.
This idea that "pros must deliver X, because they are pros" is incredibly ignorant of the real state of the scene. Please stop pretending that we are drowning in money and that the foreign SC2 easily supports dozens of people as full-time pros, because that just does not happen. These people have to something else in their lives besides SC2, if they want to eat and live somewhere or have any future. Who do you think you are to demand that people give up everything for you to watch it?
If you really wish to see only those who are 100% commited to SC2 and close the competition for anyone else, there is a very easy answer how to hold Ro32: not at all, because there won't be 32 players to compete.
What are you even on about? I'm well aware of the state of e-sport earnings. I didn't say anything to the contrary. I'm also not demanding anything from anyone. I sure as hell never said anything about closing people out who or not 100% committed or any such nonsense. Of course they have to have a job, or more likely since a lot of them are very young and still in studying, live with their parents to support themselves. My argument is that, newsflash, this is true for a lot of sports and competitions. Belgium has a female boxer who is the current world champion in her weight class in all 3 (!) the major organisations she competes in. Guess what? She's "only" a part time pro and has a job to make ends meet. This is true for a lot of athletes in "minor" sports or even people who don't compete at the top in "bigger" sports. They somehow all manage to schedule their lives around their athletic's careers.
However I'm pretty sure your Belgian female boxer knows her tournaments' dates, schedules and locations well in advance, probably several months in advance. Which makes it way way easier to schedule her life around it, than if she got to know where and when X tournament is taking place one or two week before the tournament begins.
On January 27 2015 06:36 Thax wrote: Damn, some of the opinions in this thread... People should be banned from competition because they're too good? I'd like to see someone try that on the world cup. "Well Germany and Brazil can't play, that's unfair for the rest of the world." The competition should be scheduled around the demands of semi-pros? They're still pro's. The format was known up front. If the schedule is going to be a problem for someone, then he shouldn't have committed to the tournament. That's the "pro" part of being a pro-gamer. Professional athletes that still need to hold jobs to be able to make due or are still studying travel to compete all the time.
Anyway, I'm SO looking forward to this. Much more exciting and interesting than the separate tournaments for EU and US.
This idea that "pros must deliver X, because they are pros" is incredibly ignorant of the real state of the scene. Please stop pretending that we are drowning in money and that the foreign SC2 easily supports dozens of people as full-time pros, because that just does not happen. These people have to something else in their lives besides SC2, if they want to eat and live somewhere or have any future. Who do you think you are to demand that people give up everything for you to watch it?
If you really wish to see only those who are 100% commited to SC2 and close the competition for anyone else, there is a very easy answer how to hold Ro32: not at all, because there won't be 32 players to compete.
What are you even on about? I'm well aware of the state of e-sport earnings. I didn't say anything to the contrary. I'm also not demanding anything from anyone. I sure as hell never said anything about closing people out who or not 100% committed or any such nonsense. Of course they have to have a job, or more likely since a lot of them are very young and still in studying, live with their parents to support themselves. My argument is that, newsflash, this is true for a lot of sports and competitions. Belgium has a female boxer who is the current world champion in her weight class in all 3 (!) the major organisations she competes in. Guess what? She's "only" a part time pro and has a job to make ends meet. This is true for a lot of athletes in "minor" sports or even people who don't compete at the top in "bigger" sports. They somehow all manage to schedule their lives around their athletic's careers.
So your argument is simply that because idiocy exists in other sports, it needs to be imported to SC2 asap?
That's not an idiocy, omg. You can't have global events (or World Championships) in everyones town...
On January 27 2015 06:36 Thax wrote: Damn, some of the opinions in this thread... People should be banned from competition because they're too good? I'd like to see someone try that on the world cup. "Well Germany and Brazil can't play, that's unfair for the rest of the world." The competition should be scheduled around the demands of semi-pros? They're still pro's. The format was known up front. If the schedule is going to be a problem for someone, then he shouldn't have committed to the tournament. That's the "pro" part of being a pro-gamer. Professional athletes that still need to hold jobs to be able to make due or are still studying travel to compete all the time.
Anyway, I'm SO looking forward to this. Much more exciting and interesting than the separate tournaments for EU and US.
This idea that "pros must deliver X, because they are pros" is incredibly ignorant of the real state of the scene. Please stop pretending that we are drowning in money and that the foreign SC2 easily supports dozens of people as full-time pros, because that just does not happen. These people have to something else in their lives besides SC2, if they want to eat and live somewhere or have any future. Who do you think you are to demand that people give up everything for you to watch it?
If you really wish to see only those who are 100% commited to SC2 and close the competition for anyone else, there is a very easy answer how to hold Ro32: not at all, because there won't be 32 players to compete.
What are you even on about? I'm well aware of the state of e-sport earnings. I didn't say anything to the contrary. I'm also not demanding anything from anyone. I sure as hell never said anything about closing people out who or not 100% committed or any such nonsense. Of course they have to have a job, or more likely since a lot of them are very young and still in studying, live with their parents to support themselves. My argument is that, newsflash, this is true for a lot of sports and competitions. Belgium has a female boxer who is the current world champion in her weight class in all 3 (!) the major organisations she competes in. Guess what? She's "only" a part time pro and has a job to make ends meet. This is true for a lot of athletes in "minor" sports or even people who don't compete at the top in "bigger" sports. They somehow all manage to schedule their lives around their athletic's careers.
However I'm pretty sure your Belgian female boxer knows her tournaments' dates, schedules and locations well in advance, probably several months in advance. Which makes it way way easier to schedule her life around it, than if she got to know where and when X tournament is taking place one or two week before the tournament begins.
Yea, true. I'll give you that. They (Blizz and ESL) really should prepare and announce all this stuff way sooner. It was all still known before the qualifiers happened though.
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