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sharkie
Austria18696 Posts
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
(well tbh between the Naniwa error, the general incomprehension over the CIS thing and the twitter discussions with TargA/PiG it is pretty normal that they redraw it). | ||
digmouse
China6331 Posts
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klup
France612 Posts
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Sharkken
Jordan141 Posts
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TsogiMaster
191 Posts
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Aeromi
France14461 Posts
On January 27 2015 18:23 TsogiMaster wrote: Aeromi told that right? If i see his Tweets, he said that Nani was in NA bowl, thats why its going to redraw. But they took it out and put it back to EU. So for there is no need for redraw. Or did I miss something Well, MaNa on the CN/SEA/CIS bowl is wrong too. | ||
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TsogiMaster
191 Posts
On January 27 2015 18:30 Aeromi wrote: Well, MaNa on the CN/SEA/CIS bowl is wrong too. Well thats becauseEU has more players than other regions, if u can see some of the EU players were split in to sea/southAmerica while others to China/Taiwan. Like Serral,uThermal, Firecake, Morrow were in Sea/SouthAmerica bowl, while Mana,Happy, were in China/Taiwan bowl. | ||
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
On January 27 2015 18:23 TsogiMaster wrote: Aeromi told that right? If i see his Tweets, he said that Nani was in NA bowl, thats why its going to redraw. But they took it out and put it back to EU. So for there is no need for redraw. Or did I miss something He was put into EU bowl after the group 1 EU player had already been drawn, that means Naniwa had 0% chance of getting in group 1, which is not fair. There are also quite a few other issues which they probably will not resolve: -names of players not being in something sealed (envelope etc.), sure nathanias sort of looked away but that's still amateurish -Naniwa's Card having a troll face on the backside so distinguishable from the others (and yet it was in false bowl, sup). -unclear criterion for the 4 EU players in the SEA/Latin America/EU2 group. Maybe it was randomly drawn that would be fine but it looks like it is based on WCS Points with exceptions made for Targa and Naniwa who got into EU1. Clarification from the admins how it was selected would be fine -arbitrarily creating a CIS region which had no qualifiers (what will they do next seaons when it isn't 2* CIS players who qualify) *actually just Happy is from CIS, Poland (Mana) is no part of it. | ||
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
On January 27 2015 18:35 TsogiMaster wrote: Well thats becauseEU has more players than other regions, if u can see some of the EU players were split in to sea/southAmerica while others to China/Taiwan. Like Serral,uThermal, Firecake, Morrow were in Sea/SouthAmerica bowl, while Mana,Happy, were in China/Taiwan bowl. Putting EU players in different bowls is alright but it should be not based on some arbitrary criterion like "let us introduce a CIS region which had not qualifiers and is inconsistent with everything and won't work next season" but on merit (WCS points, time of qualification etc.) or random. | ||
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Stabillo
France21 Posts
Now they are so bad that they made mistake and want to redraw it ! HA HA SO PRO ! Please consider that hazard is important in a draw (even if we don't know how your draws are made), please consider the hazard as a key in the main SC2 competition and assume. Don't draw again and let the players play. Can you imagine FIFA redraw a World Cup ? No. Be professionnal now. Redrawing is preventing this competition from the fair hazard and will make all the players mad about the new draw... | ||
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TsogiMaster
191 Posts
On January 27 2015 18:39 TBO wrote: Putting EU players in different bowls is alright but it should be not based on some arbitrary criterion like "let us introduce a CIS region which had not qualifiers and is inconsistent with everything and won't work next season" but on merit (WCS points, time of qualification etc.) or random. Well maybe that CIS fucked it up, but it still its no reason to redraw, I mean the players already maybe started to practice. Would be 2 days of waste. And its really unprofessional. | ||
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vult
United States9400 Posts
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Luolis
Finland7184 Posts
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
On January 27 2015 18:46 TsogiMaster wrote: Well maybe that CIS fucked it up, but it still its no reason to redraw, I mean the players already maybe started to practice. Would be 2 days of waste. And its really unprofessional. Making a mistake and not correcting it is unprofessional, also you totally ignored the Naniwa issue. Ignoring all other problems aside from Naniwa in wrong bowl, it would be enough to redraw the EU1 players as the other bowls were not affected by it. | ||
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Supersamu
Germany296 Posts
I wish they were a little bit more professional. Announcing this stuff over twitter isn't exactly professionalism either. Who is Aeromi and how is he qualified to make such an official statement? I am a bit disappointed. And apparently the drawing was also not done with indistinguishable player representations in the bowl. | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On January 27 2015 19:03 Luolis wrote: Yay redraw, atleast we might actually get good groups for Welmu and Serral. Hydra, Sen and some other great player with Serral. Polt, ForGG and some other great player with Welmu. Finland weeps. | ||
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Tesarul
Belgium79 Posts
On January 27 2015 18:45 Stabillo wrote: ESL admins are so incompetent. More than not broadcasting draws, everybody finds the different WCS draws very strange. Now they are so bad that they made mistake and want to redraw it ! HA HA SO PRO ! Please consider that hazard is important in a draw (even if we don't know how your draws are made), please consider the hazard as a key in the main SC2 competition and assume. Don't draw again and let the players play. Can you imagine FIFA redraw a World Cup ? No. Be professionnal now. Redrawing is preventing this competition from the fair hazard and will make all the players mad about the new draw... I agree, the whole thing is really unprofessional. Btw "hasard" is "luck" or "chance" in English, "hazard" has a different meaning  | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On January 27 2015 18:45 Stabillo wrote: ESL admins are so incompetent. More than not broadcasting draws, everybody finds the different WCS draws very strange. Now they are so bad that they made mistake and want to redraw it ! HA HA SO PRO ! Please consider that hazard is important in a draw (even if we don't know how your draws are made), please consider the hazard as a key in the main SC2 competition and assume. Don't draw again and let the players play. Can you imagine FIFA redraw a World Cup ? No. Be professionnal now. Redrawing is preventing this competition from the fair hazard and will make all the players mad about the new draw... Isn't redrawing pretty standard and professional when the drawing is flawed and has to be modified post-drawing, meaning it does not totally respect the luck/randomness factor? | ||
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TsogiMaster
191 Posts
On January 27 2015 19:14 TBO wrote: Making a mistake and not correcting it is unprofessional, also you totally ignored the Naniwa issue. Ignoring all other problems aside from Naniwa in wrong bowl, it would be enough to redraw the EU1 players as the other bowls were not affected by it. I am not ignoring Naniwas bowl. I mean if i watched it right, he was in NA bowl, and then they put him in EU bowl after that first group draw right? So I see there no problem, since he was EU bowl after all. Or is there happened something more? | ||
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